ICA refuse to grant entry to you Vietnam/Thai/Myanmar/Indo/Pinay etc. Girlfriend?

[TheUnforgiven]

Hi all,

have been seeing a lot of complaints from people that fucknut ICA officers like to exact their prejudice on single South East Asian women who are looking to enter into Singapore by refusing entry at the checkpoints, often WITHOUT any reason.

Although the reason behind this is to control influx of prostitutes to enter our shores for purposes of solicitation, I have heard of stories where they are just being singled out for being from these SEA countries, and have been refused entry without any proper justification and reason given.

Often, these cheebye arrogant and rude ICA officers would claim that they are not obliged to provide the reason for refusal to grant entry. Let me set the record straight once and for all.

Under a particular Statute (http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/display/view.w3p;page=0;query=Id%3A%22b6305a70-63f9-4b1e-af6e-837a20d4a807%22%20Status%3Ainforce;rec=0):

"Where the Controller refuses to allow any person to enter Singapore on the ground that the person is a prohibited immigrant, the Controller shall, if so requested by the person, inform him of the class of prohibited immigrants of which, in the opinion of the Controller, he is a member."

Now knock yourselves out. As you know this is Singapore and our friendly neighbourhood civil servants probably couldn't give a fuck even if you quote this to them. Good luck, just thought I should share.

TheUnforgiven.

[sammyboyfor]

There are too many foreigners in Singapore. The more they keep out the better.

[Stewardess]

This subject was discussed during the Budget 2012 and 2013, which is a good measure to tighten the inflow of foreigners.

[hamsapkwai]

agree!!! they should keep out all the foreign guys and let in only the young , pretty and sexy foreign women :p

[maxsee]

Sure not an easy job for ICA....keep them out people complain....don't keep them out people also complain.....:D:D:D

[conquer]

I am not sure about the that. But the stories I heard are totally different...

All my foreigner colleagues were having no problem bringing their girlfriends, fiancee, and wives to this country. But according to many ML and FL who I know, many of their sisters were blocked right at the airport and were sent back.

[sammyboyfor]

I am not sure about the that. But the stories I heard are totally different...

All my foreigner colleagues were having no problem bringing their girlfriends, fiancee, and wives to this country. But according to many ML and FL who I know, many of their sisters were blocked right at the airport and were sent back.

ALL foreigners should be kept out. Singaporeans are constantly complaining about the overcrowding, the long queues, the lack of hospital beds and the theft of jobs by foreigners.

The last thing we need is more foreigners arriving for the long term.

[chenpaul]

Boss, we are lacking of foreigners who are good quality ML and FL. So, more of these for short term visit is good. Ha ha

[sammyboyfor]

Boss, we are lacking of foreigners who are good quality ML and FL. So, more of these for short term visit is good. Ha ha

Short term is fine. They come for a couple of weeks... spread their legs for singaporeans to enjoy, earn some money and then fuck off.

The problems arise when they become long term residents.

[TheUnforgiven]

I was prompted to write my earlier post because I saw an European foreigner in some visa/immigration related forum (can't remember which) complaining that his Vietnamese girlfriend was denied entry and unceremoniously deported without any reason given, despite her never been to Singapore nor committing any immigration offence.

It was just very distasteful the incident was handled and I have heard of some stories from other friends with foreign wives (usually SEA) the kind of attitudes that were shown to them by the ICA officers.

It is fine and completely within their rights if they want to refuse entry, but my point is, they are obliged to reveal the reason BY LAW. This is often not the case and not challenged when ICA officers ignore the request for a reason of refusal to grant entry.

[banana81sg]

no tranparency

[Ninja_Assassin]

I was prompted to write my earlier post because I saw an European foreigner in some visa/immigration related forum (can't remember which) complaining that his Vietnamese girlfriend was denied entry and unceremoniously deported without any reason given, despite her never been to Singapore nor committing any immigration offence.

It was just very distasteful the incident was handled and I have heard of some stories from other friends with foreign wives (usually SEA) the kind of attitudes that were shown to them by the ICA officers.

It is fine and completely within their rights if they want to refuse entry, but my point is, they are obliged to reveal the reason BY LAW. This is often not the case and not challenged when ICA officers ignore the request for a reason of refusal to grant entry.

ICA personnel manning the checkpoints are not lawyers so they dun give a fuck about your statutes...... they just do as instructed.

You should go to speakers corner and raise the matter or get the opposition MPs to bring this matter up in Parliament.

KPKB here is not going to make any difference or bring about changes.

Btw, I heard one of the WP MPs is going to lose his Parliament seat soon..... bankruptcy proceedings against him.

[bigbadbear]

Sorry, but I fail to see where in the law it states that reasons for not being able to land are to be given. By the legislature quoted, all that immigration has to do is to inform the person as to class of prohibited immigrant they believe the potential entrant to be...

Note all one can get, in law, is a classification, there is nothing there that compels the authorities to state the basis of their classification or beliefs.

[TheUnforgiven]

KPKB here is not going to make any difference or bring about changes.

I'm not here to KPKB. I just want to share a statute that I read, that's all. Did you read my post properly?

As you know this is Singapore and our friendly neighbourhood civil servants probably couldn't give a fuck even if you quote this to them. Good luck, just thought I should share.

[TheUnforgiven]

ICA personnel manning the checkpoints are not lawyers so they dun give a fuck about your statutes...... they just do as instructed.

You should go to speakers corner and raise the matter or get the opposition MPs to bring this matter up in Parliament.

And btw, statutes exist for a reason. When civil servants choose to interpret or contravene the laws of a country as they please, it is plain abuse of power.

I am not paid to nor am I interested to go into politics or raise issues in a futile attempt in a police state. This is a forum, and last I checked it was meant for sharing of information and/or discussion among other purposes.

Just like how you suggest I go to the speakers corner and raise the matter, I would ask you to go wank to some gay porn if you feel so frustrated in life you need to issue me a curt reply to me for a post that is merely meant for discussion/informational purposes.

[sbclove69]

And btw, statutes exist for a reason. When civil servants choose to interpret or contravene the laws of a country as they please, it is plain abuse of power.
discussion/informational purposes.

As per the staute you quoted.

(4) The burden of proof that any person seeking to enter Singapore is not a prohibited immigrant shall lie upon that person.

[stillgottheblue]

If you come too often, they will prevent you from entry. Similarly if you are caught before, they'll not let you in. Simple?

Some people like to KPKB deny entry but they used the visit Malaysia trick. Who to blame but themselves?

[TheUnforgiven]

As per the staute you quoted.

(4) The burden of proof that any person seeking to enter Singapore is not a prohibited immigrant shall lie upon that person.

"Where the Controller refuses to allow any person to enter Singapore on the ground that the person is a prohibited immigrant, the Controller shall, if so requested by the person, inform him of the class of prohibited immigrants of which, in the opinion of the Controller, he is a member."

Read my post carefully. My point is that they need to give a reason by law. I did not argue whether they have the right to reject whomever they wish from entering.

[sbclove69]

Read my post carefully. My point is that they need to give a reason by law. I did not argue whether they have the right to reject whomever they wish from entering.

Fair enough but did you witness the incident at first hand?

Otherwise if it is just based on heresay from forums, do you think all the information related to the incident has been fully and accurately depicted?

[cqueen]

"Where the Controller refuses to allow any person to enter Singapore on the ground that the person is a prohibited immigrant, the Controller shall, if so requested by the person, inform him of the class of prohibited immigrants of which, in the opinion of the Controller, he is a member."

Read my post carefully. My point is that they need to give a reason by law. I did not argue whether they have the right to reject whomever they wish from entering.

Good afternoon Mr TheUnforgiven,

May I draw your attention that the Controller, upon the request of the immigrant, has to state clearly to him the class under which he is being prohibited from entering our country. There is no requirement by law to explain to the immigrant the reason for him being classified under that prohibited class.
The onus is on the immigrant to ask the Controller under which prohibited class he is under. The Controller owes no responsibility to the immigrant if he is ignorant of the fact that he has to take responsibility to ask for information pertaining to his prohibited classification.
As such, there is no merit in your case as all proper procedures were duly adhered to and carried out.

[sammyboyfor]

As such, there is no merit in your case as all proper procedures were duly adhered to and carried out.

I'll say it before and I'll say it again.. ALL foreigners allowed in should be of the short term variety only.

[TheUnforgiven]

The onus is on the immigrant to ask the Controller under which prohibited class he is under.

Good evening Mr cqueen

May I draw to your attention I have a reasonable command of English and am able to read and understand statutes. May I also clarify that I did not state that what you mentioned is the responsibility of the Controller.

While I accept that they have the right to prohibit anybody they wish, there is much anecdotal evidence found online that suggests ICA officers insist on their right not to give a reason for refusal of entry, which runs contrary to their obligations as stated by law.

As such, there is no merit in your case as all proper procedures were duly adhered to and carried out.

Please be very clear there is no "case". Kindly read my first post carefully and let me know why I have led you to think otherwise. In case you have difficulty finding my first post, like how you have miserably failed to comprehend my simple intentions, here is the link (http://www.sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=11230161&postcount=1).

The onus is on the immigrant to ask the Controller under which prohibited class he is under. The Controller owes no responsibility to the immigrant if he is ignorant of the fact that he has to take responsibility to ask for information pertaining to his prohibited classification.

Which is the reason why I am sharing this piece of information isn't it? :rolleyes:

[TheUnforgiven]

Fair enough but did you witness the incident at first hand?

Otherwise if it is just based on heresay from forums, do you think all the information related to the incident has been fully and accurately depicted?

As stated above:

While I accept that they have the right to prohibit anybody they wish, there is much anecdotal evidence found online that suggests ICA officers insist on their right not to give a reason for refusal of entry, which runs contrary to their obligations as stated by law.

[TheUnforgiven]

http://www.tripadvisor.ca/ShowTopic-g294265-i1748-k5840901-Vietnames_Girlfriend_Denied_Entry_by_ICA_Singapore-Singapore.html
refused to state why she had been denied entry...
...google ‘refused entry to Singapore’ and look at all the cases and most have the common theme of no apparent reason given....

http://therealsingapore.com/content/my-friend-was-denied-entry-forced-pay-189-and-deported-without-any-explanation
She shared that she was never given any reason.

http://sgforums.com/forums/12/topics/415350
I called ICA HQ this morning, the officer told me "the customs has every right to reject a person entry to singapore without any reason given, they have to accept it".



The onus is on the immigrant to ask the Controller under which prohibited class he is under.

This is only from the first result page from a Google search. You can argue with me on the technicality that the first two links did not state that a reason was requested, but let's not go there.

Simple fundamental human reaction. You go to a foreign land, get refused an entry at the immigration counters, would you utter the word "Why" at least once? Who would be so stupid to go to the immigration counter, get invited for coffee in the interview room, get locked up in the cell/room, get deported to the next plane back WITHOUT asking why? Are you saying that you - cqueen expect most people not to ask? Or are you suggesting that you would not seek an explanation if you were refused entry to a foreign country?

[sbclove69]

Hmm one can't help but wonder at the validity of the 3 stories shared.

Especially the 2nd story which stated that a room fee was collected by ICA.

as the old saying goes 宁可杀错不可放错

[stillgottheblue]

Hmm one can't help but wonder at the validity of the 3 stories shared.

Especially the 2nd story which stated that a room fee was collected by ICA.

as the old saying goes Äþ¿Éɱ´í²»¿É·Å´í

The fee collected for the overnight hotel stay. I'm not sure how much though.

[hamsapkwai]

I'll say it before and I'll say it again.. ALL foreigners allowed in should be of the short term variety only.

Agree!!! and the women got to make it good in the looks department , on a scale of 1-10 at least an 8. All Fuglies should be turned back the moment they hit Singapore soil :p

[newyorker88]

usually, if you are a girl, coming into Singapore ALONE, wears like a slut, high heels, with no local sponsored visa, chances are you will be sent back from airport.

The immigrations has a record of where you go to, from countries to countries. Many of these gals who are FL, use to travel from country to country staying the max amount of time possible in each country to work as FL. They can be in Singapore for 2 weeks/ a month, Malaysia for couple of weeks, followed by Indonesia, Thailand, philipines, and so on, traveling around. For months.

Earning their way. The immigration see your passport, key in they will know. And likely to profile you, and label you as a FL, here to earn money.

Don't be too naïve that ICA or other immigration dono where you go. The computers are linked.

Dun be too upset is so and so friends cannot come into Singapore. They are not telling the whole story. Especially the PRCs. If ICA does not let them in, they have their reasons and they don't have all the time to EXPLAIN TO EACH OF THEM.

If you are a first timer to Singapore, they are more likely to let you in, provided you did not travel from country to country staying for short period time to time.

Above all are just my thoughts and experience from seeing all those who come in and sometimes, friends being questioned.

[newyorker88]

If you are a local, and want to bring your GF in, apply for a visa before coming. You can do it via singpass. However, let me from experience tell you that, even with a visa, they may not necessary let you in. It is at the digression of the officer at the check point.

[sammyboyfor]

Earning their way. The immigration see your passport, key in they will know. And likely to profile you, and label you as a FL, here to earn money.


FLs should be most welcome. Stay for a few weeks... get fucked... earn some money. Customer is happy.. the girl gets the $$$ she needs.

It's when they come back as "girlfriends" intent on staying for the long term because some Singaporean twit has decided that this whore is suddenly the girl of his dreams.. that's when they should be sent straight home before they do any long term damage.

[newyorker88]

FLs should be most welcome. Stay for a few weeks... get fucked... earn some money. Customer is happy.. the girl gets the $$$ she needs.

It's when they come back as "girlfriends" intent on staying for the long term because some Singaporean twit has decided that this whore is suddenly the girl of his dreams.. that's when they should be sent straight home before they do any long term damage.

IT happened when these so called FLs come here to prey on old men who are abandoned by their families.

Anyway, kudos to ICA for weeding out these FLs, especially from CHINA.

[stillgottheblue]

IT happened when these so called FLs come here to prey on old men who are abandoned by their families.

Anyway, kudos to ICA for weeding out these FLs, especially from CHINA.

These happened anywhere and the old men are no angel themselves. We cannot shelter local residents in this way.

[newyorker88]

These happened anywhere and the old men are no angel themselves. We cannot shelter local residents in this way.

Hahaha, the idea is to protect the money from flowing out of Singapore, not protecting these old men.

[milfmilf]

I am not sure about the that. But the stories I heard are totally different...

All my foreigner colleagues were having no problem bringing their girlfriends, fiancee, and wives to this country. But according to many ML and FL who I know, many of their sisters were blocked right at the airport and were sent back.

that is why i decide to vote "them" out
can block the FL but why allow so many tr@sh families ... like if we have a lot of land to keep rubbish

[chenip5]

that is why i decide to vote "them" out
can block the FL but why allow so many tr@sh families ... like if we have a lot of land to keep rubbish


Vote "them" out will solve the problem..... U think this is the solution? Hahaha

[tchinkoo]

They can complain to their foreign ministry back home

nothing much they can do if they are refuse entry

[Ninja_Assassin]

They can complain to their foreign ministry back home

nothing much they can do if they are refuse entry

Complain to MFA also no use lah....... some time ago when the USA tightened its immigration procedures for arriving passengers into their country...... their immigration officers were randomly pulling out young women from the arrival queue for 100% checks which in their context means strip naked visual search + cavity searches where the officers will insert their fingers to dig inside the vagina and asshole.

Many Singaporean women singled out for these searches were shocked as they have never been treated like this before and some of them did complain to our MFA (at that time was headed by Jayakumar)....... the official reply was "We have to respect their sovereign right to do so as we are a guest in their country and subject to their laws". :D

[stillgottheblue]

Refused entry has got reasons, no arguing. You know, I know why. These so called victims are not truthful most of the time. ICA had relaxed a lot over the years in an effort to booast tourism in Singapore. The new 1 million dollars effort to attract Chinese tourists, will also attract many FL for the teekos here.

[TheUnforgiven]

I think many forumers here misunderstood my intentions. I would like to clarify that my purpose of posting the thread is:

TO
Point out a technicality in Singapore law that ICA is required to provide a reason when denying entry
Educate anyone who has a future gf/partner/fuckbuddy/wife/etc who are from poorer developing nations, who may face denial of entry for WHATEVER reason
For discussion and food for thought purposes as there is much anecdotal evidence that ICA officers DO NOT give reasons when denying entry to anyone


NOT TO
Challenge whether ICA has the right to deny entry to anyone
Kpkb for anyone's behalf or some stupid nitwits assume, kpkb because of my own experience


Thank you.

[MIFAcafe]

I spoke to my friend whom is a staff Sargent with immigration. Hase been there for 20+ years. This is what he told me......

Generally. First time visitors will be allow even without return air ticket. Applicable to ASEAN countries citizens.

If repeat entry to Singapore, officer will ask visitors to produce return air ticket.

30 days stay will be given and can be extended with valid reason.

Some cases, officer may shorten the staying period to as short as 7 days.

When I ask about those girls whom got caught doing vice, he say this is not his department. Singapore police will sent them back to their countries and hand them over to their own countries police.

Generally those got caught, immigration can turn them back when they reach Singapore on case by case basis.

Exception given if they come with children or parent.

When foreigners passport are scanned, a lot of info will show up if they have criminal record. Immigration officer may invite the visitors to a room for a conversation.

[Nonteeruk2553]

They always forget there are some genuine ones that come here to look for bf.

[sammyboyfor]

They always forget there are some genuine ones that come here to look for bf.

These are the sorts of foreigners who should be kept out of the country. There are already far too many foreigners living in Singapore.

It is OK for foreigners to come in short term to get fucked. However, when they plan to settle down here, they should be booted out immediately.

[FireShark]

Hmm one can't help but wonder at the validity of the 3 stories shared.

Especially the 2nd story which stated that a room fee was collected by ICA.

as the old saying goes 宁可杀错不可放错

This is not a room fee. The amount collected is normally $300. I heard many vbs who were not allowed to enter Singapore was forced or threaten to pay the $300. Later I found out that from 1 of the ICA Officer that they use that money to pay the air carrier to deport them back to their country.

[Mr.romance]

There are too many foreigners in Singapore. The more they keep out the better.

Then they shall close down the casinos!!!

[nycheong]

Then they shall close down the casinos!!!

Close all tourist attraction better. Casino is for high roller only.

[Tengz]

Any bros out there whom facing issue of your girlfriend/partner being deny entry into SG have tried to appeal to ICA before to allow entry to your girlfriend/partner into Sg ?

any stories/information/advise to share regarding this ?

[alanmeng21]

bro,dun waste time to appeal they will make u run to their place with watever supporting docs why yur ger want to cum sg

[etsys]

Any bros out there whom facing issue of your girlfriend/partner being deny entry into SG have tried to appeal to ICA before to allow entry to your girlfriend/partner into Sg ?

any stories/information/advise to share regarding this ?

I know few who used form 14A and successfully got the GF in ...

[sammyboyfor]

I know few who used form 14A and successfully got the GF in ...

I thought Singaporeans are constantly complaining that there are far too many foreigners living in Singapore. :confused:

Why would anyone want to put in any effort to bring more in???? :eek:

[sean69]

They always forget there are some genuine ones that come here to look for bf.

you mean carrot head ?

[etsys]

I thought Singaporeans are constantly complaining that there are far too many foreigners living in Singapore. :confused:

Why would anyone want to put in any effort to bring more in???? :eek:

Aiyo, complaint is when others bring in Foreign Talent, but when it come to self enjoyment, all go the extra mile :rolleyes: some also know getting a cow sometimes cheaper than buying super market milk !!!!!

once ownself problem solved, over coffee Will loudly complain govmint going too easy on allowing foreigners :D

sean69 .. LOL

some come here while working find BF (no necessarily SG, most fellow foreigners, or some same country) ... that one, give chance says me

coming solely to find TRUE Love? yah, right, unless it is true love for a night!!!!