Low & Mid Income Sillypore Bros, SG or Foreign Gf/Wife?

[mackewell]

Hi all,

in order not to mix wif issues on my LOS thread, i have decided to create this new thread. However, wadever i am going to comment here is based on my OWN opinion and mentality lah, no right or wrong lah, up to u to judge.

Basically if you let me choose, i will not take sg girls to be my gf or wife( i have my reasons, i will explain soon.)

To start off, i will categorise the monthly income lvl of we sinkie bros in this way:

Low Income bros(earning SGD$3500 and below)

Middle Income bros(earning SGD$4000-$8000)

High Income bros(earning above SGD$8000)

For me, i will talk more on low income bros section as i am one of them. For high income bros, i dont really understand ur world and ur set of problems yet. But feel free to share lah if you from any of the three income categories. Non sillyporeans also can share your experiences lah lol.

Ok not to make this into an essay, i will be touching on three points here.

1) Basic account of myself(i explain where i stand and how i look at things to make myself clear first)

2) Pros & Cons of having SG girlfriend or wife(veri brief lah , maybe 3 points for both sides)

3) Pros & Cons of having Foreign girlfriend or wife(veri brief also)

[mackewell]

Basic Account of myself(I am not trying to matchmake or sell myself here, just posting a realistic account of myself, not pessimistic here lah.)

- Being a sillyporean chinese at 27 years old, Dont say wife, i never have a girlfriend before(Kinda loser cum average joe here).

- Having obtained my sports management dip from a private sch earlier, i am on my way to obtaining my tourism management dip from another private sch(not poly grad here, so i foresee my future job giving me monthly pay at $1400-1600). cut away expenses plus some savings per mth, i think i can come out 300-500 for entertainment, leisure.

- I Dont have any freaking Cs( no car, condo, credit card or wadsoever)

- I am tall but fatter and uglier than PSY. I don't dance cheesily like him or dress classically like him too. However, for sure i understand the need to self improve, enhance my wardrobe, invest on this coz packaging is impt when u meet girls.

- I lacked X factor or charisma here( If u have it, u have lah. I wont go under de knife to possess that. Being myself more important bah.)

- Due to bad r/s wif papa and mama till today(gen gap and friction issues), i am not willing to have kids, dont want to be a father figure and foresee the worst shld i have a kid in this materialistic vicious world in the near future.

- Despite 8 yrs of experience in comm xxx scene in sg and in LOS recently, I can come across as a comfortable speaker among guys but stutter when chatting wif girls(due to my straightforward personality bah.) When face girls, i dont want talk much cos i knoe girls dont like guys to be blunt. But then when i keep quiet, they say i shy and not friendly also wrong. LOL. And also, maybe this is also why i dunno how to romantise a lady bah.

[mackewell]

MY Pros & Cons of having SG girlfriend or wife

PROS:

- for a noob in BGR, its safer and better to look out for a sg girlfriend who shares the same culture and speak the same language as you. I feel lah, in your first BGR, you will be more sentimental, you want someone who shares the same roots as you to stay with you not just for months, but maybe up to a yr or two.

- I need not relocate or seek ways to maintain a long distance r/s wif my gf. It is less tedious as i can meet her often in sillypore.

- My girlfriend may not have problems getting along with my parents, no culture differences in this instance.

- My gf will be able to purchase a BTO flat with me shld we get married( we can use our CPF to pay together, share the costs, if i am not wrong?)


CONS:

- For a low income bro like me, i think i cant retire in an expensive sg in the future. Maybe i wanna rent a small apartment in a cheaper neighbor country when i in my mid 50s and chill and past time. So SG girlfriend or wife is a nono as she may not want to move away wif me.

- SG being an urban and materialistic city, i came across so many girls who hog on their Iphones or keep talking about the atas bags, places to dine and so on. To me, I cant keep up with such a modern SG girl who thinks its a norm to go to atas places frequently and equip themselves wif top grade items. Due to this, sg girls are aiming for at least mid income bros(its a norm liao), so i stand no chance or i do not want to suffocate myself wif this.

- The fast pace of living in SG and the cultureless society thanks to our garment, sg girls already forget how to do the simple things to stroke the ego of we sg men. For instance, if my sg gf want go watch me play football at the field wif my friends, later she will complain weather very hot and so on. I have seen vietnamese gfs in sg, after their viet bfs finish playing soccer , they will pass them lunchboxes or even shockingly wipe their sweat for them OMG.

- I want my first BGR to be a emotional filled, an unforgettable one(call me crazy but i yearn for this). If i choose my first gf in sg, i stereotypical foresee her comparing me to her mid income female frens' bfs and so on, later she unhappy becuz of low status and so on(again money and status comes into the pic very oftenly). Oh ya, and sg girls being very westernized, they surely want space. I can give you space if you tell me you want go clubbing wif ur male friends, i cannot accept lah(i can only think of those dudes wriggling their cocks to grind you on the dancefloor.). And then she will say i dont understand her cos i dont give her space to go flirt wif men which she feels it is ok to do it in western culture.

[mackewell]

MY Pros & Cons on having Foreign girlfriend or wife

PROS:

- Of cos, for an low income bro like me, i be targetting the cheaper destinations in ASEAN. In other countries, they are big enough to have class divisions. I can target lower class girls who speak basic english. They dont demand so much and if i can save for the 5-10 years via working in sg, i can prolly buy a small house in another country and start a simple life wif my foreign gf or wife.

- Shld i have a foreign gf who have the high lvl of commitment as me to make the r/s work, we can work hard to learn the culture and language of both our countries. Your relationship wif her maybe more interesting rather than you already knoe the bad points or good points of a sg girl. you wont stereotype your foreign girl cos you are new to her country's culture and so on.

- Without a doubt, the dowry will be less expensive, i dont have to splurge money like mad just to satisfy her parents(if she is from simple background). Unlike in SG where face is a major factor and you need to hold ur wedding in big hotels, in foreign country the financial dmg will be lesser.

- She can do the simple things for me in her country if i stay wif her there. Life there can be at slower pace and we can be more happy unlike in SG.

CONS:

- its painstaking trying to maintain a long distance r/s wif a foreign girl. Sometimes, the trust factor plays a big part in this. If you dont trust her enough, you will quarrel wif her and problems will come.

- She is not what you thought she is. She may portrait an image you like in front of you. But only when you go to her hometown and then you realise that she is not what she say she is, too late liao.

- Language problem and you lose out when you compete for the foreign girl of your interest wif the local dudes there. You may have money but she may go wif a local guy cos she wants to stay in her comfort zone.

- Your working schedule may conflict or even reduce the amount of times you can fly over to see her face to face. The less she sees you, the higher chance she could forget you and cheat behind your back.

[indianmagicoil]

Bro u not even 30 and write yourself off?

You seem eloquent enough on-line but why clam up in front of girls? I think u need a bit self confidence coz knowing when to b frank and when to sweet talk can b learnt with practice. U never had a serious BGR r/s b4? plus 8 years of comm sex will have some psychological impact on your GF/wife hunt.

Proper grooming and dress nicely even when "chionging" is important. Looks r secondary, of course money No. 1, but girls like guys who have a sense of humor and in LOS, sanook! Why sometimes u see average, not rich, guy w beautiful girl?

Seeing your pros & cons I have to say that u cannot find a city girl in LOS coz she will b exactly the same as our SG girls and I think LOS girls are even more self aware of their looks, status etc...

[mackewell]

Bro u not even 30 and write yourself off?

You seem eloquent enough on-line but why clam up in front of girls? I think u need a bit self confidence coz knowing when to b frank and when to sweet talk can b learnt with practice. U never had a serious BGR r/s b4? plus 8 years of comm sex will have some psychological impact on your GF/wife hunt.

Proper grooming and dress nicely even when "chionging" is important. Looks r secondary, of course money No. 1, but girls like guys who have a sense of humor and in LOS, sanook! Why sometimes u see average, not rich, guy w beautiful girl?

Seeing your pros & cons I have to say that u cannot find a city girl in LOS coz she will b exactly the same as our SG girls and I think LOS girls are even more self aware of their looks, status etc...

Yea bro, i never had a BGR b4 thanks to my 8 yrs in comm sex scene, i keep thinking of what pattern the cha bors will come up rather than go up and try to really knoe them. I oledi bought into my hokkien saying, 'girl nice to see not nice to eat'.

I think i need a mentality shift and BALLS, like u say , u can have a presentable fella goin up to a girl wif tons of confidence and getting laid at the end of the night wif absolute no need to pay any cent on the following day. Unfortunately, i just cant get the humor thing, dunno why some guys can just make it happen wif a short and sweet conversation, kudos to them...

Oh ya, must be realistic lah, chances are i will meet up wif more city girls be it in LOS or other country, not easy to find village girl unless got lobang go kampong but i rather go around have flings and short term r/s first than in a way buying a real r/s via kampong...

[greener]

Hi,

I think you should strive for the following

1) try to further your skills sets by going thru training and get a better pay job
2) try to settle with a local girl. With a foreign bride, frankly speaking the expenses will be higher than with air tickets and family support included.

Thai or Viet it doesn't matter. Even if they marry here, you will be more burdened due to extra expenses. A local wife ( Singapore or Malaysian ) , are more capable to bring in some income and support each other.

We must consider everything. Marriage is a long term thing. Don't tire yourself out both financially and emotionally.

Hope it helps.

Regards,
Greener

[mackewell]

Hi,

I think you should strive for the following

1) try to further your skills sets by going thru training and get a better pay job
2) try to settle with a local girl. With a foreign bride, frankly speaking the expenses will be higher than with air tickets and family support included.

Thai or Viet it doesn't matter. Even if they marry here, you will be more burdened due to extra expenses. A local wife ( Singapore or Malaysian ) , are more capable to bring in some income and support each other.

We must consider everything. Marriage is a long term thing. Don't tire yourself out both financially and emotionally.

Hope it helps.

Regards,
Greener

Bro, thanks for ur two cents.

However i am playin it safe by not assuming tt i will hit mid income in some part of my life. Hypotetically, Its better my local(i dun see it happenin to be honest) gf accept my low income status, wadever extra is bonus. The prob is sg girls who are usually diploma holders now at least and are well supported and protected by ther parents think the sky is de limit.

Wif real love( if there is in the r/s which i highly doubt), u need to accept the guy even if he low income or wad. Its a vicious society and i doubt any local girl available can drop their ego and accept it( sorry to the nice sg girls, you are either taken or got bf liao.) in my case, not to haolian, i sure can drop my ego and live without most Cs lah. To top on that, not i rascist or wad, me being a non halal eater, i dun see myself knowing malay or indian chicks to be gf( i knoe malay girls can be low maintenance but de most can get fling or normal frens bah.)

I apologise if i sound harsh or biased, but i am sick and tired of accomodating into the viciousness of a cultureless sg(thanks LKY, if pap can be more compassionate, things can sure improve.) just to find tt super rare local gem when i know demographics and numbers are against a low income me. However, msian chicks are not bad ( foreign k bros) hahahahaaha...

Oh ya not to splash cold water on low income bros, but for me, i wont want to get married and let my wife suffer( without enuff money in sg, its horrible feeling in terms of hardship.) just like my signature, i feel if i bo money to support a new family, i will still let go my nice gf and let her pursue her real happiness. In life, money inevitably talks and owns. I dun like to say this but i am not thinking abt marriage at all, courtship is fine.

[JacqueMerlin]

bro, my advise is that you should by all means not marry in Singapore. The women's charter can kill you even if you possess evidence of your wife's infidelity. I will suggest that you look beyond the problems and focus on upgrading yourself and I don't mean certificates. That's a very tedious way of upgrading and returns are conventional. Learn how to do investments, be actively involved with properties, shares, insurance and the likes. Concentrate on brokering if you cannot afford them. You don't even have to be in the 'your defined high income range' to realise that, build that up and your choice of girls will come to you. Don't squander your savings or bonus on casinos, girls that don't matter. By then, you will realise that the only woman worth dedicating your life to is your mother. Not having your first gf? Bro... You're not missing anything yet. Why settle yourself for one girl when hou could've many? I was like you bro... I wanted the lovey dovey family life with a woman I can call mine. But I was introduced to the world of filth by seniors who walked the same path. Learnt a little on investing my assets, changed my mentality to grab a much well paying job and took the great leap I wish you all the best bro...

[mackewell]

bro, my advise is that you should by all means not marry in Singapore. The women's charter can kill you even if you possess evidence of your wife's infidelity. I will suggest that you look beyond the problems and focus on upgrading yourself and I don't mean certificates. That's a very tedious way of upgrading and returns are conventional. Learn how to do investments, be actively involved with properties, shares, insurance and the likes. Concentrate on brokering if you cannot afford them. You don't even have to be in the 'your defined high income range' to realise that, build that up and your choice of girls will come to you. Don't squander your savings or bonus on casinos, girls that don't matter. By then, you will realise that the only woman worth dedicating your life to is your mother. Not having your first gf? Bro... You're not missing anything yet. Why settle yourself for one girl when hou could've many? I was like you bro... I wanted the lovey dovey family life with a woman I can call mine. But I was introduced to the world of filth by seniors who walked the same path. Learnt a little on investing my assets, changed my mentality to grab a much well paying job and took the great leap I wish you all the best bro...

Bro, whether to settle down anot eventually in life is subjective. I knoe some bros( in their fifties, divorced so many times) who has the financial capability to plae girls and wont get bored even until the end of their lifetime. But in my case, i think i will be bored after playing for more than fifteen years and i dont want to also assume i will be rich in the future.

But you are right, thanks to women charter, lets say i wanna marry a local girl, i will bring her overseas to register my marry or even hold an overseas wedding and then bring her back to sg. If you do follow the news on guo jing jing's(china swimmer) marriage to the rich fella, this kenneth fella has done the good example of doing a pre nuptial agreement on money and assets, choosing not to anyhow give(you have to do this, cos girls spoil the market when they expect more than the ' money and security').

U know the old fashioned chinese song where they say in this world only mothers are the best/ good? Its freaking true for most bros here includin me. No way in hell you can find a wife or girlfriend who possess the maternal qualities or patience like ur mum. maybe they will possess only 50 percent of our mums qualities. Of course, we will be glad knowing that for most bros that our gf or wife wont have the nagging or stereotype mentality like our mums lolx....

and also, this is not a naive world lah. I am not saying i am proud to enter the comm xxx scene but i am glad i did in some aspects. I get to see the vicious side of women and understand that quality of xxx life does plae a part in a stable r/s in this day and age.

[JacqueMerlin]

by the way, true love does not require you to possess anything material. If she truly loves you, she sticks by you even if you are a pauper or invald. If you need to 'take care' of a girl with money as the main priority so as to 'fulfill' hour 'duties'... Ask the same question back if she will be with you and take care of you if you become crippled? Unable to generate income. Love is not a transaction just like you don't 'love' a whore whom you exchange something with.. This is my honest opinion.

[JacqueMerlin]

by the way, true love does not require you to possess anything material. If she truly loves you, she sticks by you even if you are a pauper or invald. If you need to 'take care' of a girl with money as the main priority so as to 'fulfill' hour 'duties'... Ask the same question back if she will be with you and take care of you if you become crippled? Unable to generate income. Love is not a transaction just like you don't 'love' a whore whom you exchange something with.. This is my honest opinion.

[mackewell]

by the way, true love does not require you to possess anything material. If she truly loves you, she sticks by you even if you are a pauper or invald. If you need to 'take care' of a girl with money as the main priority so as to 'fulfill' hour 'duties'... Ask the same question back if she will be with you and take care of you if you become crippled? Unable to generate income. Love is not a transaction just like you don't 'love' a whore whom you exchange something with.. This is my honest opinion.

Bro i dig what u say, but even if the girl really love you, you need to be appreciative of her efforts. some uncles will prolly earn peanuts and take it for granted and their wives will accept cos of true love.

But if you can give her a better life cos you love her , why not? you alreadi knoe inside your heart, even if she leave you for a better life wif a better half, you will unwilling let her go cos you want her to be happy. But for my case, if i find a girl so damn freaking good, can give her whole heart without thinking much to me, i will god damn work triplely hard to make her dun leave me at all.

No way i will let her go, tats true love tt you will never really see in modern life nowadays. My mom and dad are an example, together for more than 30 years, even when my dad down wif diabetes and in financial debt almost a decade ago, my mom never even thought of divorce or what, she was very optimistic that my dad will be back healthy and strong. And i am so damn glad she was right, if not i can never accept myself stranded in a 'divorced family'.

Oh ya, i have heard of more cases of vietnam wives taking care of their hospitalized husbands in hospitals in Hcm city than sinkie wives doing that for their husbands in sg... In this day and age, i feel we need to think abit open, love wif some material will get you somewhere more comfortable and more consistent wif ur truthful gf or wife, but love wif no material will make your wife suffer wif you. you suffer ok lah, why let your wife suffer? shes innocent afterall.

[joncheong]

I know of a singaporean couple, husband early 40s and wife late thirties... After husband got stroke, the wife did helped to take over his biz but fucl behind his back.... A very sad story

[porscheclub]

U know what's your problem?

U are in this forum since 07, you're throughly contaminated :D & already set out a negative mindset about relationships. Love is about giving & not expecting returns. I see a lot of us have a male problem that we expect women to serve us & treat us like king in life, at home, sex, everything. Our partner, wife, lover is not a maid. Any urban citystate will have a highly educated working female ratio & they'll only seek the better male to provide for them, it's nature. Just like we lust after beautiful women, they also desire what we can offer them. Have you ever seen a poor bloke with a gorgeous woman?

There's plenty of local gals still sitting on the bench waiting for the right guy to come along & going after women is like hunting. The stronger, faster predator gets the meal. When a woman loves you, she'll do anything for you.

Men give love to have sex, women give sex to have love.

I'm fortunate to be on the upper echelon to have seen how women give everything to have love & how men offer loads of gifts to win the woman's heart.

If you have exhausted all channels to compete on local level then by all means look for alternatives (foreign women) but go with your eyes & mind open. Embrace their culture, language etc. but protect your savings please (always have a plan B) & even consider migrating. Singapore is a small well, we need to see the world. Good luck & love will find you but first, give love ;)

[mackewell]

U know what's your problem?

U are in this forum since 07, you're throughly contaminated :D & already set out a negative mindset about relationships. Love is about giving & not expecting returns. I see a lot of us have a male problem that we expect women to serve us & treat us like king in life, at home, sex, everything. Our partner, wife, lover is not a maid. Any urban citystate will have a highly educated working female ratio & they'll only seek the better male to provide for them, it's nature. Just like we lust after beautiful women, they also desire what we can offer them. Have you ever seen a poor bloke with a gorgeous woman?

There's plenty of local gals still sitting on the bench waiting for the right guy to come along & going after women is like hunting. The stronger, faster predator gets the meal. When a woman loves you, she'll do anything for you.

Men give love to have sex, women give sex to have love.

I'm fortunate to be on the upper echelon to have seen how women give everything to have love & how men offer loads of gifts to win the woman's heart.

If you have exhausted all channels to compete on local level then by all means look for alternatives (foreign women) but go with your eyes & mind open. Embrace their culture, language etc. but protect your savings please (always have a plan B) & even consider migrating. Singapore is a small well, we need to see the world. Good luck & love will find you but first, give love ;)

Bro, very refreshing to hear from a high income dude like you sharing your thoughts :D

However i dont want write essay lah, just touch on most points u mentioned. i will just list 6 points to discuss on what u stated.



1) I am not trying to sound pessimistic. I dont like to flame SG Girls seriously, its not a nice feeling, i am a singaporean leh afterall(i am not perfect so do our girls too.) You can say i negative due to me seeing the vicious side of women in the comm xxx scene, true to a certain extent. But i am doing this to protect myself to a some extent, i want my first r/s to be a more emotional based one(Hopefully lah, i know its hard).

Oh ya if i am really rigid and stubborn , i wont open this thread and open my listening ear to diff opinions? lol...



2) Give love for sex?: If i want to get abit of GFE and good quality sex, i can go find WL or FL or wad. Comm xxx scene provide that and you can keep that going for a long time if you in a way feed her wif money on the long run.

I am quite sick and tired of comm xxx scene so i want to find a proper r/s. If sex takes precedent over the emotional side or other aspects of the r/s, its not a 'real and truthful' relationship(of cos sex is impt, but to a small extent). Probably i be using money and xxx to sustain it. These can be also classified as flings or even short term r/s wif ur fb or gf and so on.

FYI, i be bloody honest, i can work triplely hard to support our new family or her simple living habits but i hope she will reciprocate by cooking for me and sew my shirt or wad. Its not demanding leh( like tt is being fed like a king?, she do simple things for me cos she love me, very blissful mah lol), i never ask her go for plastic, ask her go for boob job or force her do sm or wad. I want her to be herself and happy.

I am not tt bastard to keep treating her like whore and bonk her when i feel like tt. Its love aided by financial a little and really not commercial sex feel lah in the r/s lol...



3) If i am a high inome bro like you, surely i have no probs being a giver for the sillyporean girl who is waiting at the bench for the right guy who she thinks it is a norm for him to have some Cs(Car and condo, income 5k and above.)

I have seen simple minded sg girls but her face( i touch my heart and honestly i dont really like(i dont go for pretty girls, look at point 4 below) and i cant get intimate wif her also bopian). Surely, i can be the peacock and fly towards my prey and attack her shld i have qualities like you where realistically urban women desires.

However, i must be realistic, looking from a low income bros' POV in my case, i cant afford to do tt, and my choices are limited( i am not complaining or assuming i will get rich, lets face it, there are so much ppl who can eventually enter the high income category, some ppl work hard( i am not saying dont work hard) also the most hit mid income only.

I am not that sick or vicious backstabber kind of person who will do all its takes(do MLM the wrong way, scam lah or insurance(no offense), wayang, join PAP) just to enter the high income category. You need money in life, but i still think earn it fairly wif ethics.

Taking out malay and indian local chicks(i am not rascist , i explained it earlier), there is only so much girls i can target on as i am a low income bro(if you live as a low income bro earning less than 1500k per month, u will be realistic and dont expect so much and come down to the real fact where most nice girls are either taken by the mid or high income dudes. These sg girls are nice but they plan for future, they not stupid too, they want kids and live in nice house.



4) seriously, i never even tok about finding a gorgeous gf. Looks are superficial but its a bonus if i can find nice one lah. Believe it or not, i have no problems bonking decent milfs(my fav) on the comm xxx fl scene and i have no probs finding a lady i think her face can make it one(i can get intimate one wif) and jio her to be my girlfriend(she in her 30s , older than me also ok.)

I not haolian here lah but if we meet up , find girls to bonk or go clubbing, u will be surprised why the hell i choose milfs and not so good looking girls, very unsingaporean for sure.



5) Bro , u staying in germany or overseas? or u in sg now? if u observe the society in sg now from a low income bro perspective just like me(taking away ur Cs), the sg woman or even FTs can surely love you to bits but she will leave you if you cant financially give her a decent life(lets face it, its the REAL world.)

You talk about loving her and not expecting anything in return. I dig that, i can be in a r/s wif her and if she unhappy she want break up to pursue someone better, i will be bitter but i will let her go to make her happy.

However, i am not that open to western culture and blindly follow them Cos its the trend....If you ask me if i can still be intimate wif her and be nice and close to her even though she is attached, i dont agree of cos. I am not tt kind of fella where love is liberal and casual and its ok i dun get her heart wholly and i just keep helping her and bonk her or what.

The most help her as normal fren, no more. Sorry i love my asian roots, i am in sbf and i like the comm xxx fl , but that does not mean i am open to any casual kind of r/s lol(this surely applies ony to the girl i really love, however b4 i meet her, shld i face flings or short term r/s, i am ready to take on but i wont use this mentality in them.)

The prob is ppl forget about ethics, morals and responsibility in r/s cos this world is saying to most issues that there is no right or wrong, just do it. You emerge bastard or you dont, its fine afterall, life is short. But i wont agree to that.



6) for sure i am thinking abt migrating after hearing that sillyporeans need to take out more of our CPF funds to pay for the medisave scheme now(WTF?). Of course i dont blame sg girls for turning materialistic cos bo pian liao, SG is like that. If you dont be materialistic and status conscious, how to survive in sinkieland?

i understand that concept but still you choose who you want to be. I sincerely hope i can find tt girl(hopefully thai or msian or burmese or laotian or myanmmar or cambodian or mongolian or even tibetian, and if so freaking HENG, i may settle for a super local gem in sinkieland) who has a mind of her own and is simple minded like me who can drop her ego and live life easy and yet understand that r/s is real and truthful and not just blindly related to western culture cos the US or european dominant races say so.

If dont have , Its ok, dont expect so much, its fate lah. 20 years later , i plannin to get my cheap retirement home somewhere in asean(not in sg) and enjoy bachelor's life(enjoy my bonks, beers occasionally lol), follow by die simply and peacefully.

[Greatking]

Point 1
Wife doesn't fall into the category of goods. Hence, it doesn't allow you choose. It's fate that bring your other half to you. If you are able to choose, its akin to buying goods and as a goods, you change a new one when you are tired of it or when it's value drops, in my humble view.

Point 2
You don't need to go under e knife to gain charisma. It's bout how you bring youself infront of people.

Point 3
You need to generate self-confident.

Cheers x 2 back to you.:D

[mackewell]

Point 1
Wife doesn't fall into the category of goods. Hence, it doesn't allow you choose. It's fate that bring your other half to you. If you are able to choose, its akin to buying goods and as a goods, you change a new one when you are tired of it or when it's value drops, in my humble view.

Point 2
You don't need to go under e knife to gain charisma. It's bout how you bring youself infront of people.

Point 3
You need to generate self-confident.

Cheers x 2 back to you.:D

Bro,

point 1: if you read thru wad i have been saying in my thread, i did share your sentiments that fate does play a part in finding your wife.

Point 2 & 3:need time lah, not so easy. i want fast track also lol...

Cheers x3 to ya mate :D

[AndyFeng77]

Bro Mackewell, just a 2 cents worth.

You may want to target the girls from wealthy families in rural areas of Vietnam. Some are landlords of coffee/rubber/flower plantations. Some are business owners. Etc.

One characteristics I found of women from these wealthy rural families is that they are not money-minded and down to earth. Another good point is they live better than the average pigeon hole dwellers in Singapore. ..Haha.. Thus you have no worries about supporting their families because they don't need.

Another good catch are the young Viet ladies working in corporate offices in Singapore. They usually graduated from sg local universities. They usually have pretty good character and are from good family background in their homeland.

I don't really find sg girls to be very materialistic when compared to other cities. However, I feel they lack depth and character.. Haha all thanks to your wonderful government for manufacturing these hardworking machines.. No complaints man, they are good for the sg economy.. Hahaha

[porscheclub]

TS u very good in writing essays huh? Sorry but I don't have time to read everything u wrote. Instead of spending so much time sitting down to pen your thoughts, why don't you go & think how to improve your current lifestyle & get some actions done?

FYI, I spend some time in Singapore & did NS too. My 1st job was a waiter earning $4/hr & now hire professionals to run my company. Relationships are just a part of life & we can live without it. Love is not a science so don't waste your life trying to decipher it, they'll come to you when the time is right.

Don't know what is comm xxx

You're like the typical local gals who put too much emphasis on the Cs & $. You don't know the burden till you have them & sometimes it's better not to have them. 有得必有失

Clear your mind & be happy. If you continue to think as such then good luck with life.

#2 you have not been through enough R/S to understand ;)

The 1st thing you should do on Monday is greet your colleagues & boss. Then Smile :D

[sammyguy1234]

Sian...

I can chat normally with girls but don't know how to and not confident to ask them out and those girls I never hear them say about bf so I don't know if they are in a RS or not...

I may think too much but there was this case when a single female colleague from china talk to me about having no one to watch movie with. She was 1-2 years older ...not sure if trying to hint me or something...maybe I think too much haha but in the end I just smile and continue doing my work.

[mackewell]

Bro Mackewell, just a 2 cents worth.

You may want to target the girls from wealthy families in rural areas of Vietnam. Some are landlords of coffee/rubber/flower plantations. Some are business owners. Etc.

One characteristics I found of women from these wealthy rural families is that they are not money-minded and down to earth. Another good point is they live better than the average pigeon hole dwellers in Singapore. ..Haha.. Thus you have no worries about supporting their families because they don't need.

Another good catch are the young Viet ladies working in corporate offices in Singapore. They usually graduated from sg local universities. They usually have pretty good character and are from good family background in their homeland.

I don't really find sg girls to be very materialistic when compared to other cities. However, I feel they lack depth and character.. Haha all thanks to your wonderful government for manufacturing these hardworking machines.. No complaints man, they are good for the sg economy.. Hahaha

Bro alot of my bros are marrying vietnam girls. However i prefer tomyam soup more! You are right, sg girls are not so bad hearted but den being nice in dis vicious sinkieland is not goin to work afterall...so, we men tend to stereotype them. So either we like them or they flock to ang mohs hahahaaha...

[mackewell]

TS u very good in writing essays huh? Sorry but I don't have time to read everything u wrote. Instead of spending so much time sitting down to pen your thoughts, why don't you go & think how to improve your current lifestyle & get some actions done?

FYI, I spend some time in Singapore & did NS too. My 1st job was a waiter earning $4/hr & now hire professionals to run my company. Relationships are just a part of life & we can live without it. Love is not a science so don't waste your life trying to decipher it, they'll come to you when the time is right.

Don't know what is comm xxx

You're like the typical local gals who put too much emphasis on the Cs & $. You don't know the burden till you have them & sometimes it's better not to have them. 有得必有失

Clear your mind & be happy. If you continue to think as such then good luck with life.

#2 you have not been through enough R/S to understand ;)

The 1st thing you should do on Monday is greet your colleagues & boss. Then Smile :D

Bro, my apologies for assuming u came frm de riches. You are right, take life easy , be positive, its still a long journey, who knoes wad i am gonna get in de end? Lol we shall see how it unfolds as i work on my career first... Sometimes its a hassle to worry so much, juz chill and go wif de flow!

[Nonteerak2553]

However i am playin it safe by not assuming tt i will hit mid income in some part of my life. The prob is sg girls who are usually diploma holders now at least and are well supported and protected by ther parents think the sky is de limit.

Judging from your essays, I can say your English is better than average, and easily can hit to mid income category. Since diploma holders are too smart for you, then don't look for those holding higher than a diploma. :D

I think you are being cynical for saying that diploma holder is well supported and protected by their parents.


Wif real love( if there is in the r/s which i highly doubt), u need to accept the guy even if he low income or wad. Its a vicious society and i doubt any local girl available can drop their ego and accept it( sorry to the nice sg girls, you are either taken or got bf liao.) in my case, not to haolian, i sure can drop my ego and live without most Cs lah. To top on that, not i rascist or wad, me being a non halal eater, i dun see myself knowing malay or indian chicks to be gf( i knoe malay girls can be low maintenance but de most can get fling or normal frens bah.)


Never try never know man. Your assumption is biased. I believe there are still nice SG girls around, and you need to wider your horizon, in order to find them. Do some volunteering work at old folk home, etc etc, I'm sure you able to find someone who really loves you.

Since when Malay is low maintenance? :rolleyes:
Ain't they are Singaporean too?


Oh ya not to splash cold water on low income bros, but for me, i wont want to get married and let my wife suffer( without enuff money in sg, its horrible feeling in terms of hardship.) just like my signature, i feel if i bo money to support a new family, i will still let go my nice gf and let her pursue her real happiness. In life, money inevitably talks and owns. I dun like to say this but i am not thinking abt marriage at all, courtship is fine.

I do agree with you money talks in this life, but if you compromise with your the other half, I'm sure you able to have a warm family. For you info, there's so many having low income, and yet able to start a family, and coping very well with it. In Singapore as long we're ain't lazy, I'm sure one can be able to survive, despite earning a peanut.

It's good that you've the mentality not to let your future wife suffer from hardship.


bro, my advise is that you should by all means not marry in Singapore. The women's charter can kill you even if you possess evidence of your wife's infidelity

But if you don't wish to legalize your marriage in Sg, then I don't see the point on why you getting marry in overseas. :rolleyes:

[mackewell]

Judging from your essays, I can say your English is better than average, and easily can hit to mid income category. Since diploma holders are too smart for you, then don't look for those holding higher than a diploma. :D

I think you are being cynical for saying that diploma holder is well supported and protected by their parents.



Never try never know man. Your assumption is biased. I believe there are still nice SG girls around, and you need to wider your horizon, in order to find them. Do some volunteering work at old folk home, etc etc, I'm sure you able to find someone who really loves you.

Since when Malay is low maintenance? :rolleyes:
Ain't they are Singaporean too?



I do agree with you money talks in this life, but if you compromise with your the other half, I'm sure you able to have a warm family. For you info, there's so many having low income, and yet able to start a family, and coping very well with it. In Singapore as long we're ain't lazy, I'm sure one can be able to survive, despite earning a peanut.

It's good that you've the mentality not to let your future wife suffer from hardship.




But if you don't wish to legalize your marriage in Sg, then I don't see the point on why you getting marry in overseas. :rolleyes:

Bro, my english is decent coz previously i was working as a journalist for a small media firm so i have no probs writing essays lol(its in my blood liao!). U knoe wad, you never knoe unless u really experience and try it.

Its just tt i dont wanna to settle very typically in sg, time to be different for once, since i knoe wad my long term life plan is, i just gonna work towards it and see how it goes. Hell, the more stucked up SG girls are, the more i will not succumb to a typical marriage (no offense) in sg, i am more than glad to avoid that unless a miracle happens, a super local gem like a fairy lady enlighten me there is hope beyond this culturaless sg... However i already not even interested in looking into the eyes of even pretty girls when i know they are singaporeans lol, cos i know their mentality is always about the 5cs, for once i really wanna meet someone wif substance and different but it wont happen la...

If you still see me posting frequently in SBF after a decade, sharing my stories like a lonely man coz i got loads of free time outside work, then i am pretty sure i am drifting away from sg and harping on the overseas retire package bandwagon lol...

Life is surely not about marriage, i envy those bros who get married and are happy. But if you cant meet a nice chick to settle, whats the point? i think we need to get over the fact that marriage is no longer compulsory and having kids(sorry bros, i never like kids , so i am biased) is surely optional.

Bro non, i tell u what, no one is right or wrong, for now, i have to raise my hand and admit that i have not tried anything in r/s yet. Wait till i try and see how, maybe my views change 360 degrees in less than 5 years, its just getting started and its gonna be interesting for a non typical sinkie to break out of the traditional boundaries...

[AndyFeng77]

Bro alot of my bros are marrying vietnam girls. However i prefer tomyam soup more! You are right, sg girls are not so bad hearted but den being nice in dis vicious sinkieland is not goin to work afterall...so, we men tend to stereotype them. So either we like them or they flock to ang mohs hahahaaha...

Bro, I beg you not to be so cynical about Singapore. You are lucky to be a lower income person in sg. If you are a lower income elsewhere, your life will be so much worse.

One more thing is sg girls like ang moh not because they are rich but because they are confident and polished.

Be a little careful about Thai girls. They can be quite demanding and aggressive after you are married with them for a long time.

[mackewell]

Bro, I beg you not to be so cynical about Singapore. You are lucky to be a lower income person in sg. If you are a lower income elsewhere, your life will be so much worse.

One more thing is sg girls like ang moh not because they are rich but because they are confident and polished.

Be a little careful about Thai girls. They can be quite demanding and aggressive after you are married with them for a long time.

The thai girls i heard alot from the bros here liao, i will take note hahhaaha.... I am lucky to be low income person in sg, but that does not mean our garment is good lah(i shall not go into tt as it politics liao...). Confident and polish is good but sick and tired of being super nice/ fake and friendly and tell the girls how hip i am and blah blah blah, waste time sia, girls wif substance will wana knoe the real you and not the wayang you....

[bonkning]

Be a little careful about Thai girls. They can be quite demanding and aggressive after you are married with them for a long time.
this not fair to say juz for thai women bro...it's women in general, depending on how u choose ur mate..:p

[flowbow]

Bro, I beg you not to be so cynical about Singapore. You are lucky to be a lower income person in sg. If you are a lower income elsewhere, your life will be so much worse.

One more thing is sg girls like ang moh not because they are rich but because they are confident and polished.

Be a little careful about Thai girls. They can be quite demanding and aggressive after you are married with them for a long time.

this not fair to say juz for thai women bro...it's women in general, depending on how u choose ur mate..:p

I agree with bro bonkning... Not all Thai girls are like that la. But of course, this kind of things must date after sometime then can find out... So if managed to find a Thai gf, best to date for 2 years before marrying... ;)

[mackewell]

I agree with bro bonkning... Not all Thai girls are like that la. But of course, this kind of things must date after sometime then can find out... So if managed to find a Thai gf, best to date for 2 years before marrying... ;)

Cohabit first mah, then see if i can tahan her living lifestyle bo lol....aiyah i dont think i will marry my first gf de lah, we shall c how lol...

[HCKing]

TS there r still gd local girls out there lah, but the problem is, are u gd enough to be a gd boyfriend boh?

earn alot of $$$ so wat? if ur personality sucks the same even if u r a millionaire the girl will only see u as a carrot head, nothing more than that.

[mackewell]

TS there r still gd local girls out there lah, but the problem is, are u gd enough to be a gd boyfriend boh?

earn alot of $$$ so wat? if ur personality sucks the same even if u r a millionaire the girl will only see u as a carrot head, nothing more than that.

Bros, haizzz i already say liao the feelin of keep saying sg girls no good is not nice. You all want PR or real opinions frm me?? Enuff said, i going to stress that there are nice sg girls, but SIMPLE ones who dont think so much of the Cs are only handful or in extinct mode liao. I am toking abt low income bros who earn less than 2k, who can only support ourselves( we only work, no need go out relax sometimes?), we can hardly able to go out wif normal sg girls( their mentality is like tt thanks to gov , not their fault lol..)

Enuff lah, u want me give pr opinions? I dun do tt man unless working lah then bopian, i will just stay silent and read wad u all post lah and do my self reflection and evaluation lol....

[wayne23416]

To my Dearest Mackewell Bro,

I'm in the same problem was u...I dont make enough..I'm not born good looking..I'm blind in one eye btw...I'm not tall and I do not have flawless skin like anyone else...I have a problem called Eczema..and yes I do make less than 2k a month after CPF...

But...

I've dated ladies who r hot...hot to the point where she is taller than me by 1 head (not dickhead) and curvier than the average singaporean girl...she stays in a really upmarket area that all of us dream of staying...and when we go out, guys stare at her and at me and watch in amazement...u know when u see a hot girl with an ugly guy? yea...that feeling...

what i'm trying to say is..its not always about the 5C's...u just have to make the lady feel special...I mean...come on, u dont wanna b the guy who wallows in self pity half the time and think y no one wants u rite? I was there before...in fact, I went speed dating a couple nights ago! No one liked me...probably cuz half the ladies there had a stick up their asses..

Well, i did see that u're tall and fat...y dont u hit the gym? Ladies love tall guys..and ladies love tall guys who r fit but shy...Charisma can b trained...trust me...I bagged an SIA girl who was 175cm tall when I'm only 165cm...and she was 25 when I was 19/20...i forgot...but I remember she was hella hot too... =-)

[mackewell]

To my Dearest Mackewell Bro,

I'm in the same problem was u...I dont make enough..I'm not born good looking..I'm blind in one eye btw...I'm not tall and I do not have flawless skin like anyone else...I have a problem called Eczema..and yes I do make less than 2k a month after CPF...

But...

I've dated ladies who r hot...hot to the point where she is taller than me by 1 head (not dickhead) and curvier than the average singaporean girl...she stays in a really upmarket area that all of us dream of staying...and when we go out, guys stare at her and at me and watch in amazement...u know when u see a hot girl with an ugly guy? yea...that feeling...

what i'm trying to say is..its not always about the 5C's...u just have to make the lady feel special...I mean...come on, u dont wanna b the guy who wallows in self pity half the time and think y no one wants u rite? I was there before...in fact, I went speed dating a couple nights ago! No one liked me...probably cuz half the ladies there had a stick up their asses..

Well, i did see that u're tall and fat...y dont u hit the gym? Ladies love tall guys..and ladies love tall guys who r fit but shy...Charisma can b trained...trust me...I bagged an SIA girl who was 175cm tall when I'm only 165cm...and she was 25 when I was 19/20...i forgot...b
ut I remember she was hella hot too... =-)

Bro wayne,

Thanks to guys like you, i am feeling more confident in bgr. You know wad, i am not gonna give a damn to what those stucked up pretty girls think. There are so many trees in the forest, i gonna show these bitches that i can land a equally hot chick like them but has substance and is not so materialistic.

However to make tt happen, i think its gonna take a few years down the road. I am locating a new gym to work out wif my other bro, shed a good 20 plus kilos, enhance my self grooming. Definitely, building my career is more important than women. i could care less even if i am single 5 yrs later. sometimes you just cant rush it. I am tall , its an advantage, i just need to have the freaking balls and confidence to make things happen.

I just gonna be neutral towards most girls from now, put up a pr face. Expand my options and see how. I probably will condemn the stucked up ones via one or two meetings. But why worry? They say as men get the older, we get more charismastic and physically attractive, so game on!!! Time to stop talking and pull my socks up and make de girls want to know me instead of me knowning them lol....

[Azmodan]

all the best man, i can see it frm ur pov, but i believe that your prob does not only happen to low and middle income sporeans. it happens to everybody who have been screwing around too long and has commitment issues. When you stop seeing women as commodity and as human beings, i believe u will find what u r looking for. cheers

[indianmagicoil]

Mail order brides! Waaa... the 18 y/0 in the video chio man...
http://youtu.be/FScBxMqC9cI

[mackewell]

Mail order brides! Waaa... the 18 y/0 in the video chio man...
http://youtu.be/FScBxMqC9cI

Thanks bro! nice vid but outdate liao , watch so many times liao.... Can someone post something on SG girls? lol...

[SammyNewbie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17eSUnQ-_ek

Have some angry music and my thoughts on the matter ^.^

[mclovin_boy]

My point of view as a high income person is that simple. Local gals are damn wild in sex n one of the most shiok compared to foreigners but they are also very very very materialistic. Sometimes I wonder why they stick with me, n it's obvious not for my good looks or heart but because my $$$ can sustain their shopping desire. I shared before that my wife spends about $8K every month on shopping alone n don't forget the kids too. I spend at least $15K per month in family expenses (including her shopping). With this kind of money, I can have fun thrice a day non stop till I die. :o

[centvin]

being a local n having a foreign wife, i would summarise the pros n cons:
local wife- intellecture but not as virtue
foreign wife- virtue but lacks intellecture

the world is always not perfect, it would depends which qualities attracts u most..

[banana81sg]

consider getting a china bride? ( looks like china area)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXZze51RDM

[mackewell]

consider getting a china bride? ( looks like china area)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXZze51RDM

NO offence bros, chinese girls(be it sg or wad) are out of my league due to chinese' ppl materialistic nature and face issues....

[mackewell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2s-qNZ1b08

This vid is abit exaggerating lah, but to a small extent, it could occur in real life when you have sg gf.

In chinese saying, this kind of bitchy girls are known as 'Female Tiger' :D

However if i happen to be a sissy and loser bf, my sg gf sure makan me lah lol....

[picco]

I belong to the mid-high income range. What you said does not shrike a chord because simply in order to love a girl, you need to understand them.

If we can come out a long list of exhaustive reasons of whys, then we really still don't get it.

I have part of 5Cs. (Car, Career, Credit Card, Condo-- Cash i am not sure how much you all deem enough) I have never lamented on any time when my gfs leave me because I understood 1 thing.

Girls these days are different from the past as compared to our mothers.

Girls now are getting more and more highly educated. You put yourself in a girl's shoes. You studied till university. You get a starting pay of 2000+ and you work up the ladder getting a senior exec position or managerial post. You start earning 3+ to 4000+ or even more.

Your boyfriend has a starting pay in the same manner as you. But gets less opportunities because he lacks socialising, networking. In short to say, less promotional chances and not being able to scale up the ladder as quick.

The Guy will realise he is not keeping pace with the girl he likes. As the girl what will you think of this guy?

Everyone only lives life once. They would want to have the best that they can find. No longer are we looking at kampong girls or lower educated girls but highly educated ones. You go anywhere, its the same not only SG girls.

The world is revolving everyday and things change. We cannot expect the world to change for us.

When girls are choosing us, in fact, I am also choosing them. If my girl wants to choose someone who is eligible, has money, has career, I on the other hand have my criterias to choose as well. So it isn't about them being choosy, because I would want to choose as well. :D

[picco]

being a local n having a foreign wife, i would summarise the pros n cons:
local wife- intellecture but not as virtue
foreign wife- virtue but lacks intellecture

the world is always not perfect, it would depends which qualities attracts u most..

Intellect girl lacks virtue because she would be out there in the corporate world working in order to maintain her intellectual quotient. Once she stays home and that's it.

That is why I will never want my future partner to be a housewife or be unemployed. It makes them "degenerate" no matter how intellect they are.

[mackewell]

I belong to the mid-high income range. What you said does not shrike a chord because simply in order to love a girl, you need to understand them.

If we can come out a long list of exhaustive reasons of whys, then we really still don't get it.

I have part of 5Cs. (Car, Career, Credit Card, Condo-- Cash i am not sure how much you all deem enough) I have never lamented on any time when my gfs leave me because I understood 1 thing.

Girls these days are different from the past as compared to our mothers.

Girls now are getting more and more highly educated. You put yourself in a girl's shoes. You studied till university. You get a starting pay of 2000+ and you work up the ladder getting a senior exec position or managerial post. You start earning 3+ to 4000+ or even more.

Your boyfriend has a starting pay in the same manner as you. But gets less opportunities because he lacks socialising, networking. In short to say, less promotional chances and not being able to scale up the ladder as quick.

The Guy will realise he is not keeping pace with the girl he likes. As the girl what will you think of this guy?

Everyone only lives life once. They would want to have the best that they can find. No longer are we looking at kampong girls or lower educated girls but highly educated ones. You go anywhere, its the same not only SG girls.

The world is revolving everyday and things change. We cannot expect the world to change for us.

When girls are choosing us, in fact, I am also choosing them. If my girl wants to choose someone who is eligible, has money, has career, I on the other hand have my criterias to choose as well. So it isn't about them being choosy, because I would want to choose as well. :D

Bro thanks for ur pointers. Ur honest words on the freedon choice is making me more determined to not choose local products for my next ten to twenty years unless i meet a sillyporean chick who does not or dun wan to haf tt set of mentality which you indicated. However, looking at this from a different angle, it may be a good thing coz i may be able to save more money for my retirement plan and lead life for once untypically as an eligible bachelor in sinkieland lol...

[Santaclaws]

NO offence bros, chinese girls(be it sg or wad) are out of my league due to chinese' ppl materialistic nature and face issues....

There's still alot of non-materialistic PRC women out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgfML-fagNc

24mins onwards

[mackewell]

There's still alot of non-materialistic PRC women out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgfML-fagNc

24mins onwards

Wah bro, i mood good leh, i flying to taiwan later for NYE countdown liao lolx.

Then i watch this vid, i wanna become emo sia.... That girl is a gem lah but how many? I counting by the fingers now? lol....

To be fair to the prc girl, she is right to put her family in front of his husband and expect marriage. But then ur prc gf or wife ke siao here and there, how to accept her? Unless the guy big ego lah, never pacify her(i think this is the main problem, the guy never go down to her lvl and understand her..)

And one more time, this one reality tv show, super wayang Lohhh, the girl got problem also wont sae she got prob. She will act kelian. But if i the guy, i will trash things out and talk wif her. If really cannot work out, for goodness sake, let her go liao, dont be too selfish , this kind of girl sure got other man waiting to marry lol...

Hey wait, as i watch on , she got depression signs, wah if you really patient guy, i think you can make this kind of girl happy and live wif her. If not, dont force lor, really cant work out, i got one bro fren , his ex-gf got depression b4, got crazy spells, if you are a guy who cannot be patient and understand her and drop her ego, forget about it, move on liao, this kind of gf or wife cannot work lah, wont be blissful...

If i am the guy, i will let her go sia. If can choose, i dont want face emo gf or wife sia, seriously i know life is hard, but if she dont be positive and try to overcome her tough times mentally, veri hard to get along one, wont work one..

Sorry lah , i sound bastard, but if you live life so emo, wads the point right? its up to u on how u look at life(but of cos some case is genetic or wad so bopian.) IF not , normally, her mindset is freaking important...

Shit LAH, the video so EMO, my prep for countdown SO DOWN NOW LOL, thanks bro aniwae, good knowledge :D

OH ya, this prc girl is too emo, u will suffer if together wif her(i am sorry , just being honest). I believe lah even if she has depression tendency, is up to her to walk out of that trapped door. But if you watch the vid till the end, shes stubborn and she wont walk out of the trapped door liao, any men will just run away from her. So morale of the story, cohabit wif ur fiancee first b4 u marry her, if you cant live wif her, dont marry, period.... :D

[HCKing]

Bros, haizzz i already say liao the feelin of keep saying sg girls no good is not nice. You all want PR or real opinions frm me?? Enuff said, i going to stress that there are nice sg girls, but SIMPLE ones who dont think so much of the Cs are only handful or in extinct mode liao. I am toking abt low income bros who earn less than 2k, who can only support ourselves( we only work, no need go out relax sometimes?), we can hardly able to go out wif normal sg girls( their mentality is like tt thanks to gov , not their fault lol..)

Enuff lah, u want me give pr opinions? I dun do tt man unless working lah then bopian, i will just stay silent and read wad u all post lah and do my self reflection and evaluation lol....

since u said u nvr dated b4 hw u knw the real good ones r already in extinct mode?

do u knw girls will treat a guy very differently from their 'usual' self when they are emotionally attached to them? there r many things u cant see just by making judgements frm the outside.

mai paper talk so much lah, go date a girl 1st and experience it yrself lah.:D

[mackewell]

since u said u nvr dated b4 hw u knw the real good ones r already in extinct mode?

do u knw girls will treat a guy very differently from their 'usual' self when they are emotionally attached to them? there r many things u cant see just by making judgements frm the outside.

mai paper talk so much lah, go date a girl 1st and experience it yrself lah.:D

hahahahaa coming from a lao jiao bro, indeed i talk too much liao, matters of the hearts cannot be explained lah, you must go xperience it. Still, gaining better knowledge about BGR will put me in a better place wif my first gf hee.....

[pakalolo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2s-qNZ1b08

This vid is abit exaggerating lah, but to a small extent, it could occur in real life when you have sg gf.

In chinese saying, this kind of bitchy girls are known as 'Female Tiger' :D

However if i happen to be a sissy and loser bf, my sg gf sure makan me lah lol....

A local girl once give me her bag to carry,just where it goes?THE TRASH CAN!!!
break off immediately!!!:D

[bret hart]

Just writing a story that happened to me during my last trip to China (Dec 12):

Few months ago, I was introduced a PRC girl call Xiao Juan by a China friend, Ah Wei. She is the sister of his to-be wife. All of them are from Hunan.

We messaged through Wechat and QQ think for 3-4 months until we decided to meet up on 30th Dec 12 which is my China friend's wedding with her sister.

Xiao Juan arrived few weeks earlier to help her sister prepare for the big day, and I finally reach the town few days before the wedding dinner.

I felt so energised and excited to be finally meeting her after so many months messaging. Feel like meeting new friends through IRC chatroom during my schooling days.

So on the day I arrived, I messaged Xiao Juan to meet up for makan. To my surprise, she rejected me as she say the wedding day is near and she's busy helping her sister.

Initially, I felt very down and confused. I tried to convince her but after a while I gave up as I think I shouldn't be forcing her if she don't want. I tell her to do her best to help her sister with the wedding. We can see each other on 30th which is the wedding dinner.

So I hang around for that few days not doing much but get to know few other PRCs through Wechat. Met 1 of them call Xiao Xue which is quite cute, now working in a departmental store selling children stuffs.

On the wedding night, as I and my friend came out of the lift door and face the receiving table where a bunch of girls in gowns as well as the bride was standing there waiting for guests, a lot of gigglings suddenly started. After we signed our names and rose our heads to check on where we should be sitting, a girl in black gown was push out of the pack to do the urshing. She is Xiao Juan. We finally met, but she look firece and nervious.

We didn't managed to talk much, and were placed at a table with 3 more guys. 1 Singaporean, 1 Hongkee and 1 PRC. We were dumb enough to reach there by 6pm, and the dinner actually start around 7.30pm. As the dinner was about to start, the rest of the chairs were filled up with the wedding couples' relatives from Hunan, including Xiao Juan and some female cousins. I realised my friend Ah Wei has used that dinner to try matchmake these girls to us.

The dinner was weird for me and Xiao Juan as we can only secretly look at each other. We acted like strangers. Ah Wei came over after a while and requested us to stay after dinner for KBox and more drinks. My friend hinted that we are not going to the Kbox as we have something on. Nearing to the end of the dinner, Xiao Juan's cousin couldn't stand it anymore and spoke to me for the 1st time to request us to stay for the karaoke session. I look at Xiao Juan whom was just staring at her food. I agreed much to the disapproval of my friend.

So after a little while more, my friend and I went over to the karaoke room. The PRC guy friends of Ah Wei was at the left corner, the mature relatives in the middle and a bunch of young girls on the right corner. Instintively, we found a spot next to the girls. You can feel that the girls are real happy. The girls includes the initial ones whom sit with us at the dinner and some more from other tables. As Ah wei has already matchmake Xiao Juan to me, he ask my friend to pick whoever he want from the lot. It was a matchmake session - China wedding style.

Along the way, a PRC guy we just met has been sticking with me the whole night. He sat in between me and Xiao Juan in the KBox room, which I felt very sian. He has been telling me about how pretty Xiao Juan is, not knowing I already gotten Xiao Juan's sister's approval to tackle her.

Not in awhile, Ah Wei came over and asked that PRC guy to siam away. Bingo. So we started playing dices and we act like we don't know but in actual fact we have been under training in CP. The rest of the girls tried to hook up with my friend as they know i'm taken. The girls are dumb at playing the dices and ended up drunk instead of us. Sadly, my friend did not like any of the girls and wanted to leave. I told Ah Wei I will be back after bringing my friend back to hotel.

Ah Wei sensed that we will not be back, and so were the girls. Soon, they packed up and left. When I came back later, Xiao Juan has left. The next day we exchanged a few messages before I depart for Singapore. We didn't manage to meet again.

Yesterday, she left a shout out on QQ saying she lost in gambling and in love. (gambling is normal activity during wedding period when all the relatives are under one roof.

I couldn't tahan anymore and go for the offensive. I asked her why she lost in love. The reply was slow but she finally open up. She was not used to meet new people and was very shy. But I gave her positive replies and want her to bring me around the next time we met. She wholeheartedly agreed.

Now the thing is should I move forward and go find her or just let this drama end...

I am a practical guy. It's not easy to bring her back to Singapore to live as she totally don't know english, never travel abroad and is real shy.

Meeting her to get to know her is the next step, but I have to make a decision after that.

Confused.

[mackewell]

Just writing a story that happened to me during my last trip to China (Dec 12):

Few months ago, I was introduced a PRC girl call Xiao Juan by a China friend, Ah Wei. She is the sister of his to-be wife. All of them are from Hunan.

We messaged through Wechat and QQ think for 3-4 months until we decided to meet up on 30th Dec 12 which is my China friend's wedding with her sister.

Xiao Juan arrived few weeks earlier to help her sister prepare for the big day, and I finally reach the town few days before the wedding dinner.

I felt so energised and excited to be finally meeting her after so many months messaging. Feel like meeting new friends through IRC chatroom during my schooling days.

So on the day I arrived, I messaged Xiao Juan to meet up for makan. To my surprise, she rejected me as she say the wedding day is near and she's busy helping her sister.

Initially, I felt very down and confused. I tried to convince her but after a while I gave up as I think I shouldn't be forcing her if she don't want. I tell her to do her best to help her sister with the wedding. We can see each other on 30th which is the wedding dinner.

So I hang around for that few days not doing much but get to know few other PRCs through Wechat. Met 1 of them call Xiao Xue which is quite cute, now working in a departmental store selling children stuffs.

On the wedding night, as I and my friend came out of the lift door and face the receiving table where a bunch of girls in gowns as well as the bride was standing there waiting for guests, a lot of gigglings suddenly started. After we signed our names and rose our heads to check on where we should be sitting, a girl in black gown was push out of the pack to do the urshing. She is Xiao Juan. We finally met, but she look firece and nervious.

We didn't managed to talk much, and were placed at a table with 3 more guys. 1 Singaporean, 1 Hongkee and 1 PRC. We were dumb enough to reach there by 6pm, and the dinner actually start around 7.30pm. As the dinner was about to start, the rest of the chairs were filled up with the wedding couples' relatives from Hunan, including Xiao Juan and some female cousins. I realised my friend Ah Wei has used that dinner to try matchmake these girls to us.

The dinner was weird for me and Xiao Juan as we can only secretly look at each other. We acted like strangers. Ah Wei came over after a while and requested us to stay after dinner for KBox and more drinks. My friend hinted that we are not going to the Kbox as we have something on. Nearing to the end of the dinner, Xiao Juan's cousin couldn't stand it anymore and spoke to me for the 1st time to request us to stay for the karaoke session. I look at Xiao Juan whom was just staring at her food. I agreed much to the disapproval of my friend.

So after a little while more, my friend and I went over to the karaoke room. The PRC guy friends of Ah Wei was at the left corner, the mature relatives in the middle and a bunch of young girls on the right corner. Instintively, we found a spot next to the girls. You can feel that the girls are real happy. The girls includes the initial ones whom sit with us at the dinner and some more from other tables. As Ah wei has already matchmake Xiao Juan to me, he ask my friend to pick whoever he want from the lot. It was a matchmake session - China wedding style.

Along the way, a PRC guy we just met has been sticking with me the whole night. He sat in between me and Xiao Juan in the KBox room, which I felt very sian. He has been telling me about how pretty Xiao Juan is, not knowing I already gotten Xiao Juan's sister's approval to tackle her.

Not in awhile, Ah Wei came over and asked that PRC guy to siam away. Bingo. So we started playing dices and we act like we don't know but in actual fact we have been under training in CP. The rest of the girls tried to hook up with my friend as they know i'm taken. The girls are dumb at playing the dices and ended up drunk instead of us. Sadly, my friend did not like any of the girls and wanted to leave. I told Ah Wei I will be back after bringing my friend back to hotel.

Ah Wei sensed that we will not be back, and so were the girls. Soon, they packed up and left. When I came back later, Xiao Juan has left. The next day we exchanged a few messages before I depart for Singapore. We didn't manage to meet again.

Yesterday, she left a shout out on QQ saying she lost in gambling and in love. (gambling is normal activity during wedding period when all the relatives are under one roof.

I couldn't tahan anymore and go for the offensive. I asked her why she lost in love. The reply was slow but she finally open up. She was not used to meet new people and was very shy. But I gave her positive replies and want her to bring me around the next time we met. She wholeheartedly agreed.

Now the thing is should I move forward and go find her or just let this drama end...

I am a practical guy. It's not easy to bring her back to Singapore to live as she totally don't know english, never travel abroad and is real shy.

Meeting her to get to know her is the next step, but I have to make a decision after that.

Confused.

Lol bro,

I do not knoe about prc culture or their matchmaking thing. However, you cant think about marriage when u dun really knoe this girl. You do not knoe whats is her agenda behind( there may be one) and she may treat u as normal fren only. To top on tt, this is de reason why foreign women like sillypore men. We can change name to robert so easily cause we are simply stubborn and we do not knoe how to handle kc trap. Good luck bro, prc women are super seng mok one, i tink maintain long dist r/s loh den visit her in prc regularly.

[joncheong]

Hi bro bret hart....

I think you should go for her... You never try you never know buy dun coat every of your moves with gifts and money for her.... If she is for you she will stick with you... If she is for your money then most prolly after a few weeks or months and you still dun mention any material things for her she will stop contact with you....

[Kenny87]

Hi all,

in order not to mix wif issues on my LOS thread, i have decided to create this new thread. However, wadever i am going to comment here is based on my OWN opinion and mentality lah, no right or wrong lah, up to u to judge.

Basically if you let me choose, i will not take sg girls to be my gf or wife( i have my reasons, i will explain soon.)

To start off, i will categorise the monthly income lvl of we sinkie bros in this way:

Low Income bros(earning SGD$3500 and below)

Middle Income bros(earning SGD$4000-$8000)

High Income bros(earning above SGD$8000)

For me, i will talk more on low income bros section as i am one of them. For high income bros, i dont really understand ur world and ur set of problems yet. But feel free to share lah if you from any of the three income categories. Non sillyporeans also can share your experiences lah lol.

Ok not to make this into an essay, i will be touching on three points here.

1) Basic account of myself(i explain where i stand and how i look at things to make myself clear first)

2) Pros & Cons of having SG girlfriend or wife(veri brief lah , maybe 3 points for both sides)

3) Pros & Cons of having Foreign girlfriend or wife(veri brief also)

dont mind me.. give my view here as i rarely come in anymore.. staying with bf, very hard to log in now.

i read all ur comments etc etc.. and i find a few big problems why u cannot find those nice local girls that u are looking for..

1) u are looking in all the wrong places.
where on earth do u think tt the nice girls are hiding? definately not behind a computer or in GL.

2) u think too much.
aiyoh.. my god.. u wan something, u make a move. girls sometimes find the stuttering thing cute, but after awhile.. it gets boring.. be bold! make a move! sometimes we girls see something we like.. but we like being the one pursued.. make it story worthy when we get all starry-eyed and tell the story to our frens about the start of the r/s..how u got her etc etc..

3) u REALLY think too much.
u honestly think tt most girls in sg think about $$ and 5cs? really? O.o out of 10 of my gal friends, only 1 out of 10 think like tt. most of us, just want a nice guy, who loves us, do small sweet things to us, promise us the sky and the possibility that anything is possible. listen to us talk, cuddle us, give us comfort and promise us tt everything will be okie. (this may be abit cheesy.. but it worked on me.) if u had S$5 left in ur wallet and no ATM in sight.. u are willing to spend this S$5 making ur gf happy.

4) u only 27 and u think.. aiyah no hope liao..
my goodness.. 27 u have this thinking.. i met my bf when he was 28 and i was 21. he had never had a stable r/s before me.. cheong too much, gamble too much, had gfs who lasted around 3-8 months.. i had a multiple bfs and only maybe.. 4 stable r/s tt lasted more than 1 yr. we met thru friends.. (yes! get ur frens to intro u!!) my bf lagi worse than u.. u stammer, he just sit there diam diam. when i first know him, i tot he is a mute. -.-"

u may think im in no position to talk.. ill be honest here and give u abit of my background. im a degree holder. my bf has only been educated to sec 1. we are 7 yrs apart. our worlds are very different. i come from a well to do family.. and he not so. i think im okie looking, (considering i used to have many guys chasing me *shy*) haha.. his main language are chinese and hokkien. mine is english. but because of me, he starts learning english, go and improve and better himself because he wanted to marry me. i learned chinese to communicate with him and his parents.

but after 4 yrs with him.. i love him with all my heart. i know the future is very tough for us.. and he is earning lesser than u.. in fact, i estimate his earning capacity to be a maximum of 2k. but its okie. his current salary is 1.2k. only a 100$ improvement since i know him. but he is sincere. he loves me, and that makes me want to be a better person because of him.. i have learned many life lessons thru this man. and everyday when i see him, all i want to do, is to please him and make him happy. i will never underestimate or undermine him just because of his salary or education. (i better stop.. coz when i start writing about him, i cannot stop gushing.. its quite annoying)

I have had steady r./s with guys who earns 8k and above. one was earning 15k a month as a boss of a international internet company. was with him for 1.5 yrs. showered me with bags and other stuff i had no interest in, brought me on his business trips but left me alone to my own devices. i was loved by his "things" but was lonely. i yearned for his attention, his affection.. he gave me some.. but i felt everything was too easy for him. if i got upset, next day, ill recieve flowers at the office, some bag or some jewellery. for what? for what?!! all i wanted was simple love.

im very sure that ull find the girl who is willing to do this for u. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. sometimes, dont write off the first girl u see as ugly as CMI.. because sometimes tt ger, when u love and respect her, can become beautiful in ur eyes.

btw, when we grow old. bloody hell.. we all look the same la. :rolleyes:

Adding on: i agree with one bro that girls behave differently when we are with the ones we love/like. im a very off-handish kind of person. i hate to coddle ppl. i can be very curt and very demanding. but when im with my bf, ppl say tt i act differently. im more submissive, nicer and generally friendlier.. tts why ppl say tt he is my better half.

and also.. u dont have to be in shape or handsome to nab a local girl.. if u ever meet any of my friends.. they will all tell u the same thing. the heart. if ur heart is in the right place.. u have the heart to make her happy, she will know.. we are very werid creatures.. at least for me and my friends.. we dont really care about the results.. we care about the effort tt u went thru to get the results. i would rather a piggyback from my bf then if he bought a car to ferry me around. of all the gifts he has ever bought for me, i apprieciate the iphone 3 he got for me. and until now iphone 5 come out, i cannot bear to change my phone. i love it not because its expensive but because he saved for months before he could afford it for my birthday. this is the kind of effort im talking about. show some, and i bet, girls will flock to u.

[mackewell]

dont mind me.. give my view here as i rarely come in anymore.. staying with bf, very hard to log in now.

i read all ur comments etc etc.. and i find a few big problems why u cannot find those nice local girls that u are looking for..

1) u are looking in all the wrong places.
where on earth do u think tt the nice girls are hiding? definately not behind a computer or in GL.

2) u think too much.
aiyoh.. my god.. u wan something, u make a move. girls sometimes find the stuttering thing cute, but after awhile.. it gets boring.. be bold! make a move! sometimes we girls see something we like.. but we like being the one pursued.. make it story worthy when we get all starry-eyed and tell the story to our frens about the start of the r/s..how u got her etc etc..

3) u REALLY think too much.
u honestly think tt most girls in sg think about $$ and 5cs? really? O.o out of 10 of my gal friends, only 1 out of 10 think like tt. most of us, just want a nice guy, who loves us, do small sweet things to us, promise us the sky and the possibility that anything is possible. listen to us talk, cuddle us, give us comfort and promise us tt everything will be okie. (this may be abit cheesy.. but it worked on me.) if u had S$5 left in ur wallet and no ATM in sight.. u are willing to spend this S$5 making ur gf happy.

4) u only 27 and u think.. aiyah no hope liao..
my goodness.. 27 u have this thinking.. i met my bf when he was 28 and i was 21. he had never had a stable r/s before me.. cheong too much, gamble too much, had gfs who lasted around 3-8 months.. i had a multiple bfs and only maybe.. 4 stable r/s tt lasted more than 1 yr. we met thru friends.. (yes! get ur frens to intro u!!) my bf lagi worse than u.. u stammer, he just sit there diam diam. when i first know him, i tot he is a mute. -.-"

u may think im in no position to talk.. ill be honest here and give u abit of my background. im a degree holder. my bf has only been educated to sec 1. we are 7 yrs apart. our worlds are very different. i come from a well to do family.. and he not so. i think im okie looking, (considering i used to have many guys chasing me *shy*) haha.. his main language are chinese and hokkien. mine is english. but because of me, he starts learning english, go and improve and better himself because he wanted to marry me. i learned chinese to communicate with him and his parents.

but after 4 yrs with him.. i love him with all my heart. i know the future is very tough for us.. and he is earning lesser than u.. in fact, i estimate his earning capacity to be a maximum of 2k. but its okie. his current salary is 1.2k. only a 100$ improvement since i know him. but he is sincere. he loves me, and that makes me want to be a better person because of him.. i have learned many life lessons thru this man. and everyday when i see him, all i want to do, is to please him and make him happy. i will never underestimate or undermine him just because of his salary or education. (i better stop.. coz when i start writing about him, i cannot stop gushing.. its quite annoying)

I have had steady r./s with guys who earns 8k and above. one was earning 15k a month as a boss of a international internet company. was with him for 1.5 yrs. showered me with bags and other stuff i had no interest in, brought me on his business trips but left me alone to my own devices. i was loved by his "things" but was lonely. i yearned for his attention, his affection.. he gave me some.. but i felt everything was too easy for him. if i got upset, next day, ill recieve flowers at the office, some bag or some jewellery. for what? for what?!! all i wanted was simple love.

im very sure that ull find the girl who is willing to do this for u. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. sometimes, dont write off the first girl u see as ugly as CMI.. because sometimes tt ger, when u love and respect her, can become beautiful in ur eyes.

btw, when we grow old. bloody hell.. we all look the same la. :rolleyes:

Adding on: i agree with one bro that girls behave differently when we are with the ones we love/like. im a very off-handish kind of person. i hate to coddle ppl. i can be very curt and very demanding. but when im with my bf, ppl say tt i act differently. im more submissive, nicer and generally friendlier.. tts why ppl say tt he is my better half.

and also.. u dont have to be in shape or handsome to nab a local girl.. if u ever meet any of my friends.. they will all tell u the same thing. the heart. if ur heart is in the right place.. u have the heart to make her happy, she will know.. we are very werid creatures.. at least for me and my friends.. we dont really care about the results.. we care about the effort tt u went thru to get the results. i would rather a piggyback from my bf then if he bought a car to ferry me around. of all the gifts he has ever bought for me, i apprieciate the iphone 3 he got for me. and until now iphone 5 come out, i cannot bear to change my phone. i love it not because its expensive but because he saved for months before he could afford it for my birthday. this is the kind of effort im talking about. show some, and i bet, girls will flock to u.

Hi miss kenny, glad to know tt you r tt rare gem who yearn simple love, can turn submissive when u see ur bf, can stick to an iphone 3. However, i am already resignin to fate tt i may not be able to find a decent and low maintenance gf in sinkiepore lol, i tink career more impt la.

Its true tt u need to love urself and make urself betta b4 u go into a r/s wif someone or de someone can even accept u, in de meantime bros or sis , keep ur comments coming in, its really educational for me la lol...

[Kenny87]

im not a rare gem. in fact, i know many girls who are like this. i think most important is for u to learn to love urself first before u can love others.

u just have to look in the right places.. also.. choose with ur eyes open. it amazes me sometimes when my guy frens keep moaning and groaning about having found the wrong ger etc etc.. when i look beside them, i know of girls who are very nice, but they dont take a second look because they think tt the ger not good enough for them..

figure can change.. and looks.. well.. did u know the more u are with a person, the person will look like u? haha...

[mackewell]

im not a rare gem. in fact, i know many girls who are like this. i think most important is for u to learn to love urself first before u can love others.

u just have to look in the right places.. also.. choose with ur eyes open. it amazes me sometimes when my guy frens keep moaning and groaning about having found the wrong ger etc etc.. when i look beside them, i know of girls who are very nice, but they dont take a second look because they think tt the ger not good enough for them..

figure can change.. and looks.. well.. did u know the more u are with a person, the person will look like u? haha...

When i look around at fast paced society aka sillypore, i only see rude and dao girls who will prolly give you a second look if you are well groomed, equip yourself with a nice and expensive, and wear nice expensive leather shoes...

Still the same word, honestly, i have seen CMI girls who are nice, but if in your eyes she is CMI, then you cant accept her lol. It is harsh but u need to be honest to god on this.

[DegenerationX]

im not a rare gem. in fact, i know many girls who are like this. i think most important is for u to learn to love urself first before u can love others.

u just have to look in the right places.. also.. choose with ur eyes open. it amazes me sometimes when my guy frens keep moaning and groaning about having found the wrong ger etc etc.. when i look beside them, i know of girls who are very nice, but they dont take a second look because they think tt the ger not good enough for them..

figure can change.. and looks.. well.. did u know the more u are with a person, the person will look like u? haha...

Agree with you. Just to show a post from another similar thread.
My 2 cents.


I feel that it is unfair to the girls if we were to stereotype them, reardless if they are Singaporean, Malaysians or Mainland chinese.


Let's start with the Singaporean women. I have had my fair share of relationships and heartbreaks with them.

Yes, some are materialistic and demanding, but we would be unfair to those who are not. I have had the chance to meet some truely nice and sweet local girls.

They do not care about the branded bags, the fast cars, nor do they mind sticking through thick and thin with their then boyfriends. Money is certainly not everything.





Ask ourselves one thing, we pass 2 singaporean women.

One is dressed stylishly, behaves like an spg with an expat around her arms

The other is in simple jeans and t-shirt, perhaps tired after a hard day's work, carring 2 ntuc plastic bags of groceries and an umbrella on her way home.

You pass this 2 women at the same time ?



Which one is a Singaporean ?

Which one will you look at ?

Which one will you sterotype ?



The stylish SPG ?


Why not the plainly dressed one ?

This is us men thinking with our kuku jiao .:D

Why ?

Because we all want to fuck that spg :D but we assume she only wants to fuck that ang moh.

Am i wrong ?




It can be hard for us men to see the sacrifice the women made for us, but instead we tend see what our kuku jiao want us to see.


( female samsters can start pm-ing me for discreet realtionships liao. i am an understanding man .... kidding.)





I have had 2 local girlfriends who left me for another man before. One to an expat, one to an older singaporean. Both are more established in their careers, doing better in life.


That doesn't mean i'm no good, it only meant i'm not good enough for them in their opinion. If that is their choice, so be it.



I did not crawl into a hole and die.

I learn and grow with each relationship. We all should




We should be able to differentiate the different catagories of SG girls, it is not hard. If she is someone for keeps, go all out.

If she is someone who you know is only good for a fling, go ahead if you are up for it. Fuck her, get over it. Move on.





Take a deep breath and....


Think for a moment where do we meet and brand our so call 'singaporean girls' ?


In drinking joints at Raffles place ?

a hot club in town with long queues ?

A stylish dining joint in Dempsey ?

In a high end boutique in Orchard ?





What about at a hawker centre in Bedok ?

or a market in toa payoh ? How come we don't go there and start branding the cute girl who spend her weekends helping her parents at their stall ?


Or the one who had to bring her siblings to the playground in plain shorts and t-shirt ?

Or the one who spent the weekend bring her parents and grandparents around ?

Why ?



For both scenarios , what did the girls do wrong ?






Ignore the mainstream media with all the shitty reports about singaporen women prefer foreigners,singaporean men are not gentlemen enough, singaporean men this singaporean men that...

Fuck them . Those are just rubbish.

Don't get suck into this mentality that we are not good enough.

We Singaporean men are good enough for anyone if we think that person is someone we want to spend the rest of our life with.

If you like someone, get to know her. If you want her, fight for it. If there is competition, kill it.




We all go into a relationship with our eyes open.

Unless we can meet and know every singaporen women there is, we cannot simply offer a judgement that they are who the media / the men say they are.

The same applies for women of other nationality.


Merry xmas .


and do your part to stop the FTs from grabbing the local girls... :D :D

[shiokpleasure]

bro,

i find it quite a paradox.

you don't know how to romance girls but u know how to go find fl. do you just fuck them without making any small talk?

pls la, even fl also can brush up on your kumcheng skills. i find fls harder to kc compared to normal girls lo.

i suggest you get your paid fucks but at the same time learn from them how to romance lo. afterall, the ultimate kc tool is $$$ and nothing else. works on any girls.

[mackewell]

bro,

i find it quite a paradox.

you don't know how to romance girls but u know how to go find fl. do you just fuck them without making any small talk?

pls la, even fl also can brush up on your kumcheng skills. i find fls harder to kc compared to normal girls lo.

i suggest you get your paid fucks but at the same time learn from them how to romance lo. afterall, the ultimate kc tool is $$$ and nothing else. works on any girls.

Bro,

I feel la xianing FL/WL and normal girls to be your real gf is two different matter all together.

If wanna xian FL, its much more easy, most of the time even in clubs , you give eye contact, she interested, you can just say hi and talk to her. Most of the time, i am not really a humorous fella, i just be very respectful, act abit shy and say nice things to the fl, then i can get her liao. of course, u quote price confidently, she will go wif u. And for sure, this FLs are KC pro trappers. Till today, i understand the act of managing KC but not the art of making small talks, making a hot girl interested in me when initially shes not.

IF wanna xian normal girl to be potentially gf, you need to be humorous, have balls to go up to her, look her in the eye and interest her, show her u are different from the other guys. Tts the challenge and i cant do tt coz i will froze after i say hi to the girl most of the time. Hell, i cant even approach her for some reason lol.

Lastly, if i wanna use Vita M to sustain this r/s for more than 70 percent of the time, its a transactional r/s. Its easy to get tt sort of r/s but not the real r/s where money takes 30-50 percent place in the r/s or maybe sometimes its lesser than 30 percent lol...

So i suppose its not a paradox. Sure thru my experience of FLs, i am able to handle and see if tt particular girl is gf material anot. But , however, i cant approach the girl well coz the science and the method is totally not the same. Its a different ball game afterall.

[mackewell]

Agree with you. Just to show a post from another similar thread.

Good to see that the TS is moving on wif his life positively and not flaming sg girls for that. Kudos to him. However, i still cant understand, in the mind of sg girls, why is it that a bag you buy for her at Ang mo kio hub is not comparable to the same range(almost same type) of bags you can buy from her at orchard ion?


And why must die die kao bei kao bu and show ur attitude so that i can bring you go eat the top notch sushi bars when sushi tei or sakae sushi provide decent jap food? I cant understand why so narrowminded when it comes to sg girls? is prestige and status so important in the modern sg? cant figure out man... hope someone enlighten me lol..

[SushiJiro]

To my Dearest Mackewell Bro,

I've dated ladies who r hot...hot to the point where she is taller than me by 1 head (not dickhead) and curvier than the average singaporean girl...she stays in a really upmarket area that all of us dream of staying...and when we go out, guys stare at her and at me and watch in amazement...u know when u see a hot girl with an ugly guy? yea...that feeling...



Bro, you are an inspiration. Can you share some tips on how to improve one's charisma and personality. Because I share the same sentiments as bro TS to some extents.

[dustzee]

but he is sincere. he loves me, and that makes me want to be a better person because of him.. i have learned many life lessons thru this man. and everyday when i see him, all i want to do, is to please him and make him happy.

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This is heart warming man!

[dustzee]

Good to see that the TS is moving on wif his life positively and not flaming sg girls for that. Kudos to him. However, i still cant understand, in the mind of sg girls, why is it that a bag you buy for her at Ang mo kio hub is not comparable to the same range(almost same type) of bags you can buy from her at orchard ion?


And why must die die kao bei kao bu and show ur attitude so that i can bring you go eat the top notch sushi bars when sushi tei or sakae sushi provide decent jap food? I cant understand why so narrowminded when it comes to sg girls? is prestige and status so important in the modern sg? cant figure out man... hope someone enlighten me lol..

Waaaaa bro. Really you meet these type of girls often? I think i cannot stand this type. But luckily I never met any, even though I heard a lot about them.

[dustzee]

I think the real discussion here isn't about SG VS Other countries. I think the real issue is, can we keep up with a relationship having different social statuses.

With the general female population being more educated than the male population, this will be a problem for both guys and girls. Guys usually want to assume the provider role. My view is this is getting increasingly difficult.

I once dated a rich girl. My family is not too rich nor poor. But the girl's family should be in the top 10% of Singapore.

So at first, it didn't matter. We enjoyed our times together, we flew kites, shared a candy (don't ask how), hide under staircases to cuddle.

And then after a while, things changed. I was in the final year of uni, and she was 1 year my junior. I found she was the one ferrying us around cos her family bought her a car. She wanted to go to her usual hang out places (and since those places were too expensive for me, I usually declined). The gifts we exchanged don't really match in dollar value.

Before she even made any noise about it, I was feeling extremely lousy about myself. Never in my life had I felt I was such a loser. And at that point of my life, she influenced me much more than I influenced her. So my mentality was "how can I keep up with my finances so I can match hers".

that problem didn't last for long. About 1.5 years into the relationship, she finally made the move. "Let's break up."

It was expected. But what didn't help, was she suddenly displayed the snobbish attitude. "I need someone who is working towards financial stability"

That's what a girl said to a final year undergrad, who was giving tuition to pay his school fees. It didn't matter that he was going to graduate and work on his career. He was deemed "Not being able to be successful" before he could even make an attempt.

Now, I know it is not fair to project this on all SG girls. In fact, it isn't about SG or not. It's about cultural differences (within our own society). Even if we look elsewhere and we date a girl of higher status, the same thing is likely to happen.

[HCKing]

Waaaaa bro. Really you meet these type of girls often? I think i cannot stand this type. But luckily I never met any, even though I heard a lot about them.

there r actually quite alot of them out there, but then again there r also many average joes going steady with these girls. it's a matter of knowing hw to suit their wants and demands. might not be materially but emotionally. afterall, like what sis kenny87 said, girls r emotional creatures.

[mackewell]

there r actually quite alot of them out there, but then again there r also many average joes going steady with these girls. it's a matter of knowing hw to suit their wants and demands. might not be materially but emotionally. afterall, like what sis kenny87 said, girls r emotional creatures.

I think it takes two hands to clap in ani r/s. to be fair, from a guy pov, u shld roughly knoe after knowing her very closely b4 u go steady wif her wad the chick u are courting wants in the r/s(be it material or emotional). So we guys shld not moan and bitch when the r/s turns sour cuz u cant give and take and accomodate in the r/s.

On the other hand, sg girls also cannot be too greedy and expect we guys to be like angmoh and be so much of a giver and be so casual and liberal wf r/s. of cos we guy cannot be cheapskate too la lol...

[HCKing]

I think it takes two hands to clap in ani r/s. to be fair, from a guy pov, u shld roughly knoe after knowing her very closely b4 u go steady wif her wad the chick u are courting wants in the r/s(be it material or emotional). So we guys shld not moan and bitch when the r/s turns sour cuz u cant give and take and accomodate in the r/s.

On the other hand, sg girls also cannot be too greedy and expect we guys to be like angmoh and be so much of a giver and be so casual and liberal wf r/s. of cos we guy cannot be cheapskate too la lol...

logically we can think this way. but in reality most guys will think with their small heads when they go after their maidens so all their flaws and cons can be conveniently overlooked and bochup. some can even justify themselves that they will make their girls change for the better with their love.:D

ultimately, we just want to make them happy and win their hearts. dun believe u can try date a chiobu nw and observe ur own reactions. her character maybe sucky but if the attraction is damn power u will still see her as yr angel frm heaven. which is y love is blind. and the more the girls are used to being pampered the easier for them to be demanding and choosy since thats the way they believe a good boyfriend should behave - always trying their best to please.

anyway i have known girls hanging on with guys who are less successful than them and also girls giving up their bf for greener pasture. alot of times such things depend on fate one lah so dun be despair if u cant find a suitable girlfriend, just keep trying. u will nvr knw when yr fate will come one day unless u try.

[mackewell]

logically we can think this way. but in reality most guys will think with their small heads when they go after their maidens so all their flaws and cons can be conveniently overlooked and bochup. some can even justify themselves that they will make their girls change for the better with their love.:D

ultimately, we just want to make them happy and win their hearts. dun believe u can try date a chiobu nw and observe ur own reactions. her character maybe sucky but if the attraction is damn power u will still see her as yr angel frm heaven. which is y love is blind. and the more the girls are used to being pampered the easier for them to be demanding and choosy since thats the way they believe a good boyfriend should behave - always trying their best to please.

anyway i have known girls hanging on with guys who are less successful than them and also girls giving up their bf for greener pasture. alot of times such things depend on fate one lah so dun be despair if u cant find a suitable girlfriend, just keep trying. u will nvr knw when yr fate will come one day unless u try.

True but de prob is guys like pursue their so called love after being attracted by the girls' external which is looks and figure and her make up and so on. This kind of love could prove to be superficial.

Call me crazy , i am more than happy to bonk a hot babe but not waste time further on her unless she has substance. Most of the time, it is not de case coz this hotties have way betta choices and they will play to hard and not succumb to de idea of having a simple yet less materialistic r/s. if she hot , its a bonus. If not, i am way more happy to find one acceptable or slightly betta one to haf a simple r/s den to dream big and lose everything so quickly...

[JuzNiceM]

Bro TS,

I think when you started to write this thread. In your mind, you already have a mindset on how typically women will behave. It's not totally wrong but it seems way too one sided.


i) There is no written rule or survey concluding that women who received higher education is so much smarter than men who didn't. Streetwise mindset gets a person further than educated mindset.


ii) There is no written rule that those born in well-to-do families will not marry someone from not-so well-to-do families. You can bonk or even make a rich girl preggy as long as you know how to pick her up.

She is after all, a human with emotion and needs, not some face with a tag - I'm from a rich family and I'm only touchable with 10k income and above.

Get it to your head, you are a man .. period.


iii) As pointed by some bros here, there are women who're way above their men in everything but also stride hard to help their men achieve more in life.
Whether they're stupid or what that their men still F around outside is basically us men problem, nothing to do with them.


iv) There are also no strong evidence that neighbouring Countries chai are less demanding. B*llshit, if you married a women, you will get typically a women's mindset. No 2 ways about it. (It also shows how 'much' you understand women ..... basially zero)


v) Stop feeling sorry for yourself that you belong to the low-income families. I can understand why you feel you can't get a serious relationship out of Sg girls when all you do is to grumble your life how sucks .. of course who the hack would wana spend thier lives with someone so negative?

Sorry lor, even neightbouring countries women have the rights to choose someone who can be poor (low-income) but at least got a positive mindset to improve from where he is. So don't think you can sure marry and be happy with a Tomyam or a Viet women. You sucks, they still give you hell. And they have this rights because they will suffer for the rest of their miserable lives married to people like your mindset.

Pal, you're spending to much time writing journals with no substances, of course you are still struck here. SBF is well-surfed by men/ women/ diff races/ diff countries/ rich/ poor. Don't bluff us, we're not stupid,

I'm surprised nobody had yet to zap you jialat jialat. It's a disgrace to us men that your mindset so shallow.

Be a man for this time! ZZZzzzzzzzzzz ........:mad:

[mackewell]

Bro TS,

I think when you started to write this thread. In your mind, you already have a mindset on how typically women will behave. It's not totally wrong but it seems way too one sided.


i) There is no written rule or survey concluding that women who received higher education is so much smarter than men who didn't. Streetwise mindset gets a person further than educated mindset.


ii) There is no written rule that those born in well-to-do families will not marry someone from not-so well-to-do families. You can bonk or even make a rich girl preggy as long as you know how to pick her up.

She is after all, a human with emotion and needs, not some face with a tag - I'm from a rich family and I'm only touchable with 10k income and above.

Get it to your head, you are a man .. period.


iii) As pointed by some bros here, there are women who're way above their men in everything but also stride hard to help their men achieve more in life.
Whether they're stupid or what that their men still F around outside is basically us men problem, nothing to do with them.


iv) There are also no strong evidence that neighbouring Countries chai are less demanding. B*llshit, if you married a women, you will get typically a women's mindset. No 2 ways about it. (It also shows how 'much' you understand women ..... basially zero)


v) Stop feeling sorry for yourself that you belong to the low-income families. I can understand why you feel you can't get a serious relationship out of Sg girls when all you do is to grumble your life how sucks .. of course who the hack would wana spend thier lives with someone so negative?

Sorry lor, even neightbouring countries women have the rights to choose someone who can be poor (low-income) but at least got a positive mindset to improve from where he is. So don't think you can sure marry and be happy with a Tomyam or a Viet women. You sucks, they still give you hell. And they have this rights because they will suffer for the rest of their miserable lives married to people like your mindset.

Pal, you're spending to much time writing journals with no substances, of course you are still struck here. SBF is well-surfed by men/ women/ diff races/ diff countries/ rich/ poor. Don't bluff us, we're not stupid,

I'm surprised nobody had yet to zap you jialat jialat. It's a disgrace to us men that your mindset so shallow.

Be a man for this time! ZZZzzzzzzzzzz ........:mad:

Hey bro,

1) before you continue ranting on me for no reason further, go back and read my thread properly. No way did i bitch or moan and grumble about my sad life. I am not interested to give PR comments in this thread as i wanna hear good solid comments from other bros, therefore it sounds harsh at times, i apologise for that bro.

2) Most of the thing i say is based on my personal observation, is it wrong to say things based on what i see? bro , you may be earning tons of money and have a good family in sg, but tt does not mean all of us are like you. Why do i feel sorry if i am poor? you think i writing novel? poor also human being what, are you looking down on poor ppl? lol... rich or poor sometimes is not we choose leh, but of course i am more than happy to drop my ego and say i am poor..

3) Read my past comments, i have never super confidently said that foreign gf or spouse is the way to go. However , i prefer them more, its true. But why the hell i want to create this thread if i alreadi knoe foreign chicks are better? i doing this to blast local girls? am i too free(maybe i am lah lol)

u really got imagination sia, I am not a successful fella but like i said, i do know mutual respect but still commenting honestly. I am not a hater leh lol... Btw, if i see a local girl so nice to me in sillypore, u think i wont accept? am i so heartless? i dont think so leh, i will say yes to her towards a r/s.

Bro, lastly, i am not interested to wage war wif u, no point also. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but of course comment wif mutual respect in this forum.

I strongly believe i did that. Comments may be sort of harsh at times but its true tts why it is hard to hear at times.

Seriously, is it time for me to shut my mouth as what i am saying is all bullshites? I am low in confidence but i am not a loser, i am already facing the fact now by putting more focus on my career and to improve myself in this instance(doing this makes me a man, period). Do you know me well in person? no you dont.

You knoe what, maybe what i have been saying is wrong, maybe i am looked down upon coz i am not successful and i have no right to say so much. If tts the case, i shall leave the floor for u bros to speak your mind, cheers mates :D.

[JuzNiceM]

Hi Bro TS,


I've laid my thoughts, you will deicde if it benefits you or not.

If you think I am rich, then you're very wrong. I've never owe an iphone aso far because I can't afford to pay for it, serious. i makesift for what I can afford in life.

And talking about being poor in singapore, does it mean you can marry a even poorer neighbouring countrywomen so that you will feel better than you're not so poor after all?


3) Read my past comments, i have never super confidently said that foreign gf or spouse is the way to go. However , i prefer them more, its true. But why the hell i want to create this thread if i alreadi knoe foreign chicks are better? i doing this to blast local girls? am i too free(maybe i am lah lol)

u really got imagination sia, I am not a successful fella but like i said, i do know mutual respect but still commenting honestly. I am not a hater leh lol... Btw, if i see a local girl so nice to me in sillypore, u think i wont accept? am i so heartless? i dont think so leh, i will say yes to her towards a r/s.


I've already said, no girls hate you, they just feel your attitude towards yourself sucks. Trust me if you buck up and work towards your aim in life, they will see you differently.

I need not know you much as a person, everybody is keyboard hero behind this screen. You know yourself best and if you're really making effort to move on, this thread wouldn't even existed.

Nobody is looking down on you except yourself. And you've been stating that again and again since Post 1. And only you say that the only way to move on, get married is to get a even lower end life (which in your opinion is those tomyam or view women .. .and why do you think they are simple??? .. are you looking down on their mentality as well?).

And the reason you prefer them more is, you feel they won't look down on you. (That's what you're afraid of isn't it?) - then you're in for a big surprise .. lolxx

Seriously, what can we poeple say since you have this mindset. Who in this forum will agree that you deserve something better? And why would you post and hope no harsh comments when all you're interested is just to wank off your thoughts and you not keen to 'comment' much on mine?

Breed for breed, thoughts for thoughts. I won't be here in your thread for long, neither will others who given up on your mindset.

Trust me on that. good day pal.


PS : You can zap me, I got 58 pts, I have nothing from day one since i've registered but I'm not afraid to start all over again. This is called confidence my pal ...

[mackewell]

Hi Bro TS,


I've laid my thoughts, you will deicde if it benefits you or not.

If you think I am rich, then you're very wrong. I've never owe an iphone aso far because I can't afford to pay for it, serious. i makesift for what I can afford in life.

And talking about being poor in singapore, does it mean you can marry a even poorer neighbouring countrywomen so that you will feel better than you're not so poor after all?



I've already said, no girls hate you, they just feel your attitude towards yourself sucks. Trust me if you buck up and work towards your aim in life, they will see you differently.

I need not know you much as a person, everybody is keyboard hero behind this screen. You know yourself best and if you're really making effort to move on, this thread wouldn't even existed.

Nobody is looking down on you except yourself. And you've been stating that again and again since Post 1. And only you say that the only way to move on, get married is to get a even lower end life (which in your opinion is those tomyam or view women .. .and why do you think they are simple??? .. are you looking down on their mentality as well?).

And the reason you prefer them more is, they won't look down on you. (That's what you're afraid of isn't it?)

Seriously, what can we poeple say since you have this mindset. Who in this forum will agree that you deserve something better? And why would you post and hope no harsh comments when all you're interested is just to wank off your thoughts and you not keen to 'comment' much on mine?

Breed for breed, thoughts for thoughts. I won't be here in your thread for long, neither will others who given up on your mindset.

Trust me on that. good day pal.


PS : You can zap me, I got 58 pts, I have nothing from day one since i've registered but I'm not afraid to start all over again. This is called confidence my pal ...

Bro, let me and you take a chill pill can?

LOl, i dig wad u saying, and i wont zap you? for what? dont serve any purpose.

Btw, i never look down on myself now lah, last time have lah. You are right, no point not being sure abt urself, theres still a long way for me to go in life.

MY apologies once again for mistaking you as a rich fella. You know what, i like to dream big but i dont want to. I just want to be realistic. I am not 21 or 22 years old where i can dream big and aim for the hottest sg chick or wad lol, i old liao...

U knoe wad , screw the look down crap lah, if the girl be it local or foreign wants to be wif u, shes wont think so much abt status and will try her best to convince her family members to accept you. Its true lah, if she wants it, why not? i am game for it.

However, the real reason why i am so against finding a nice sg girl is cuz i wanna stick to my plan not to retire in sg 20 years down the road. I dont really like sillypore lah(retirement wise). I just know that if i am open to sg girls, i may end up finding one nice one and settle here in sinkieland(bro, i knoe there is still the chance this will happen, i am not ruling it out but i wanna avoid it lol)... So i guess short term r/s and flings is the way to go in sg for me...

Of course , you are right, instead of moaning, we shld appreciate the fact we can get decent job in sg and save somemore. But silllypore just dont suit me for retirement lah lol, u get wad i mean? lol.....

[JuzNiceM]

ok pal,

no offence either.

retirement, if u dunt have close to 10 yrs savings of ur peak earning power, u probably wont b able to survive. n u have to spend again when u choose to give up life here n move on.

retirement if is some 20 yrs down the road. you shd b in ur late 30* or even 40* now.
do u have a firm plan to ensure this is realistic enuff to achieve?

retirement, if is to be spent ur last yrs away from ur friends, relatives, family. u wont b able to retire relaxfully either.

check n seek advice from the old heroes here. it sounds cool but not so simple like typing here at tip of ur fingers.

good luck anyway pal .... :)

[SammyNewbie]

JuzNiceM,

This is very sensitive, but I want to ask.

You say mackwell is poisoned, bitter and has a bad outlook of life.

Well, I'd like to ask who honestly wants to be unhappy, emotion or sad on purpose. I believe that if given a choice, everyone wants to be happy, confident and living life to their fullest.

Also, to your point on working towards something and doing something about their lives, I agree, but it takes alot of courage to make changes. And people have different levels of courage on different matters. I might be more confident in certain areas when I meet difficult challenges, and less in others.

People also take time to get out of these things, some shorter, some longer.

All I want to say is, don't be too harsh on other people because you made it out of a rut more quickly than others. We don't want them to end up in the morgue after taking the bitter pill you did.;)

[DayView2014]

To accumulate 10 years of saving is something not easy at all. I regretted squandering my money on HFJ singers and borrowed from money friends to finance such lifestyle because surface I do want to look rich.

I am 55 years old now and my POSB only has $7000 cash saving and I still worked as a housing agent (rental). I simply do not have the means to retire :(

[HorLiSee]

To accumulate 10 years of saving is something not easy at all. I regretted squandering my money on HFJ singers and borrowed from money friends to finance such lifestyle because surface I do want to look rich.

I am 55 years old now and my POSB only has $7000 cash saving and I still worked as a housing agent (rental). I simply do not have the means to retire :(
五十五岁only got 7k. Go jump from benjamin shears bridge la, pity your parents giving birth to a social reject and failure like you :D

[JacqueMerlin]

To my Dearest Mackewell Bro,

I'm in the same problem was u...I dont make enough..I'm not born good looking..I'm blind in one eye btw...I'm not tall and I do not have flawless skin like anyone else...I have a problem called Eczema..and yes I do make less than 2k a month after CPF...

But...

I've dated ladies who r hot...hot to the point where she is taller than me by 1 head (not dickhead) and curvier than the average singaporean girl...she stays in a really upmarket area that all of us dream of staying...and when we go out, guys stare at her and at me and watch in amazement...u know when u see a hot girl with an ugly guy? yea...that feeling...

what i'm trying to say is..its not always about the 5C's...u just have to make the lady feel special...I mean...come on, u dont wanna b the guy who wallows in self pity half the time and think y no one wants u rite? I was there before...in fact, I went speed dating a couple nights ago! No one liked me...probably cuz half the ladies there had a stick up their asses..

Well, i did see that u're tall and fat...y dont u hit the gym? Ladies love tall guys..and ladies love tall guys who r fit but shy...Charisma can b trained...trust me...I bagged an SIA girl who was 175cm tall when I'm only 165cm...and she was 25 when I was 19/20...i forgot...but I remember she was hella hot too... =-) interesting, so are you married or still maintaining a long term relationship with anyone of them?

[wayne23416]

interesting, so are you married or still maintaining a long term relationship with anyone of them?

None of the above...I'm currently single...

[JacqueMerlin]

None of the above...I'm currently single...

i hope you can understand the gist of my question.

[wayne23416]

i hope you can understand the gist of my question.

I'm not in contact with any one of them...

[flowbow]

五十五岁only got 7k. Go jump from benjamin shears bridge la, pity your parents giving birth to a social reject and failure like you :D
I think that was an unnecessary comment. Even though what bro DayView2014 did in the past was silly of him, at least he's facing the consequences now instead of giving up on life.

[XiaoGe2013]

五十五岁only got 7k. Go jump from benjamin shears bridge la, pity your parents giving birth to a social reject and failure like you.

Let me explain why this lowlife chap HorLiSee behaving this way:


When HorLiSee in his younger days he saw that his mother was working as a KTV hostess and every night his mother was with different men. His father was someone like Dayview2004, a good-for-nothing without a regular income guy and HorLiSee's dad like to go KTV that a place both his parents met :D

HorLiSee grew up with only PSLE qualification and most of his odd-jobs are working as a cleaner in most budget KTV in Geylang. One day HorLiSee saw his mother having sex with an ugly old customer of her. HorLiSee went mad :mad: from then on ... his behaviour and attitude become like that :)

[Blast88]

五十五岁only got 7k. Go jump from benjamin shears bridge la, pity your parents giving birth to a social reject and failure like you :D

Cold blood beast like you giving such comment should go & jump 1st:mad:

[HorLiSee]

Thank you for your comments. Please refer to the original dayview2004's posts
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/search.php?searchid=17946011
This fella is a troll that has been creating dozens and dozens of clones just to spam him. Latest are dayview2012, dayview2013, dayview2014, HFJAdvise(nick TERMINATED by boss sam yesterday) and his latest, XiaoGe2013(previously using XiaoGe2011 killed by boss to -999) and many many more.
I don't need to argue or defend about anything, just do a search on the nicks I gave you and you will know. This is stating the facts

[XiaoGe2013]

This fella is a troll that has been creating dozens and dozens of clones just to spam him. Latest are dayview2012, dayview2013, dayview2014, HFJAdvise(nick TERMINATED by boss sam yesterday) and his latest, XiaoGe2013(previously using XiaoGe2011 killed by boss to -999) and many many more.
I don't need to argue or defend about anything, just do a search on the nicks I gave you and you will know. This is stating the facts

Thanks for stating the facts. I am not DayView2012, DayView2013 and DayView2014. So no comments on the dayview matters.

As for HFJAdvise, please let me clarify I do not know who is this person.

Finally your posting had proven that XiaoGe2011 is troublemaker and got killed by boss to -999.

I am not XiaoGe2011 either. I created this nick XiaoGe2013 because I saw you attacking DayView2014 without any reasons and this exposed the fact you are a troublemaker using the many clones like XiaoGe2011 & many others.

I am glad that the truth is out after one year ago :)

[HorLiSee]

Thanks for stating the facts. I am not DayView2012, DayView2013 and DayView2014. So no comments on the dayview matters.

As for HFJAdvise, please let me clarify I do not know who is this person.

Finally your posting had proven that XiaoGe2011 is troublemaker and got killed by boss to -999.

I am not XiaoGe2011 either. I created this nick XiaoGe2013 because I saw you attacking DayView2014 without any reasons and this exposed the fact you are a troublemaker using the many clones like XiaoGe2011 & many others.

I am glad that the truth is out after one year ago :)
So many years liao, you still at it. Just like how sour you are after cannot get the singer from CD, 2 fucking years can kpkb non stop about it tsk tsk.
No need to write essay like you, evidence speaks more than your primary 1 essay that even a 3yr old will say it's quality and credibility is questionable :D
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/search.php?searchid=17948255
If you're here to help DayView as you claimed, then you just betrayed yourself by this post
His father was someone like Dayview2004, a good-for-nothing without a regular income guy and HorLiSee's dad like to go KTV that a place both his parents met
Sure don't look like helping, more like spamming to me.
Thank you for helping my confirm in your own words that you're all out to troll dayview after all these years.
Bo Nao :D

[poongko]

To accumulate 10 years of saving is something not easy at all. I regretted squandering my money on HFJ singers and borrowed from money friends to finance such lifestyle because surface I do want to look rich.

I am 55 years old now and my POSB only has $7000 cash saving and I still worked as a housing agent (rental). I simply do not have the means to retire :(



you are better than me... i have less than 1k but i am only 25. :D

[REBOUND]

hmm i see what it all means

[HorLiSee]

I do not think you can live longer than DayView2014
Who gives a fuck about what you think? Your opinions and thoughts are all nothing more than the shit people flush away after a dump session. You forgot, everything about you, is not priceless hor don't get it wrong, it's WORTHLESS :D
Go hammer him, go kill him, FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!! :D lol
LOL need to create a new clone to reply every 2 days. Sorry, didn't you say I was creating many clones????? How come it's still me replying to a new you every 2 days ah?
HorLiSee is a cunty clone. He's trying to ruin this forum with rubbish spam and fake information. Please don't trust him
Proof please :D
You may as well say this is me also
What bro deuter said is totally correct and true. TS learn to differentiate the difference between family and play, once you allow play to cross the line of family, this where where all the headaches and heartaches starts;)

[XiaoGe2013]

So many years liao, you still at it. Just like how sour you are after cannot get the singer from CD, 2 fucking years can kpkb non stop about it tsk tsk.
No need to write essay like you, evidence speaks more than your primary 1 essay that even a 3yr old will say it's quality and credibility is questionable :D
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/search.php?searchid=17948255
If you're here to help DayView as you claimed, then you just betrayed yourself by this post

Sure don't look like helping, more like spamming to me.
Thank you for helping my confirm in your own words that you're all out to troll dayview after all these years.
Bo Nao :D

I saying all these is just to lure you out :)

[XiaoGe2013]

So many years liao, you still at it. Just like how sour you are after cannot get the singer from CD, 2 fucking years can kpkb non stop about it tsk tsk.
No need to write essay like you, evidence speaks more than your primary 1 essay that even a 3yr old will say it's quality and credibility is questionable :D
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/search.php?searchid=17948255
If you're here to help DayView as you claimed, then you just betrayed yourself by this post

That China Dolls whore had returned to PRC and I did not keep in touch with her anymore.

By the way, I did not pay for the flowers I hang for her (China Dolls) either :)

[DocD]

Dear TS,

I believe strongly that you have written yourself off based on money or category before any girl even has. You need to be selfish and invest in yourself first. Yes setting realistic expectations is important. But this stupid system is not easy and no one will give you an easy time. So you must first win over yourself. If you look into gaming girl techniques, all will say to seek help to overcome your insecurities to the point of going to a psychiatrist. And it's true. I've been in all 3 of your categories and everything thing in between. But the inner self is always the same.

[cheekyboo]

I believe that if you put in effort to improve your character from within, the rest of your problems will start going away. Its not easy and it wont happen overnight. Just like weight losing. When a person who has been fat for 3/4 of his life starts losing weight from effort, his whole outlook of life will change for the better too.

Granted your exposure/experience so far, I do not blame you for having such a cynical view of the world. But you should keep in mind that views and realities are ultimately different things. It is just like the phrase, "Hope for success, prepare for failure", be it whether you are an optimist or pessimist.

[HorLiSee]

I saying all these is just to lure you out :)
LOL nice try LOL LOL LOL
That China Dolls whore had returned to PRC and I did not keep in touch with her anymore.

By the way, I did not pay for the flowers I hang for her (China Dolls) either :)
Thank you for confirming that DayView2012, DayView2013, DayView2014, YDJR, HFJAdvise(and all the other HFJ nicks), XiaoGe2011, XiaoGe2013 and now out with MoralEpitoma CLAP CLAP what's new, keep your clones coming nothing new anyways, same pattern, only more nicks, still self snooking LOL LOL LOL
Oh, don't bother using such titles:
Re: I am not XiaoGe2011 / I did not pay too .....
I already said a thousand times and I repeat again, you think you're so smart or everyone reading is stupid? Anyone also can see all your JAN2013 nicks come out almost daily.
Wah, I see XiaoGe2013 1point by 1point up ah, soOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo geh lor, so many 1point clones hor :D

[HorLiSea]

TS,

In this forum, there are many ugly jobless men still hang flower like no tomorrow. Haolian to impress those singer-manageress and singers.

You are not so bad la

[HorLiSee]

TS,

In this forum, there are many ugly jobless men still hang flower like no tomorrow. Haolian to impress those singer-manageress and singers.

You are not so bad la
Thank you for confirming that DayView2012, DayView2013, DayView2014, YDJR, HFJAdvise(and all the other HFJ nicks), XiaoGe2011, XiaoGe2013 and now out with MoralEpitoma CLAP CLAP what's new, keep your clones coming nothing new anyways, same pattern, only more nicks, still self snooking LOL LOL LOL
Now even come out with HorLiSea to mimic me, you really out of ideas sial
Thank you, I rest my case LOL LOL LOL man of many nicks, but still, nothing but a LOSER :D

[mackewell]

Thank you for confirming that DayView2012, DayView2013, DayView2014, YDJR, HFJAdvise(and all the other HFJ nicks), XiaoGe2011, XiaoGe2013 and now out with MoralEpitoma CLAP CLAP what's new, keep your clones coming nothing new anyways, same pattern, only more nicks, still self snooking LOL LOL LOL
Now even come out with HorLiSea to mimic me, you really out of ideas sial
Thank you, I rest my case LOL LOL LOL man of many nicks, but still, nothing but a LOSER :D

Hey dudes, life is somehow short to a certain extent cuz time flies. So i think perhaps we shld stop bickering and talk abt more useful stuff in life.

So moving on to what i wanna talk about:

1) why marriage seems secondary, third or even no priority in the lives of many younger gen in sg(mid 20s to mid 30s)? Cuz we are super duper westerned liao so why get married? To guys, cuz of women charter, so marriage is a lugi( lose lose) outcome?

2) cant marry or settle in sg cuz garmet say we cannot retire and we must work like mad so cant haf baby? Understand that marriage is the end of the sweet bgr thingy? Or maybe due to typical, stereotype , "square" minded mentalities or parents so cannot haf kids and stay unmarried?

3) lastly, maybe cannot marry sg female or male coz of other kind of reasons? Lol...

[HorLiSee]

Hey dudes, life is somehow short to a certain extent cuz time flies. So i think perhaps we shld stop bickering and talk abt more useful stuff in life.
Respect respect and agreed. Peace out ;)

[Odin00]

Hey dudes, life is somehow short to a certain extent cuz time flies. So i think perhaps we shld stop bickering and talk abt more useful stuff in life.

So moving on to what i wanna talk about:

1) why marriage seems secondary, third or even no priority in the lives of many younger gen in sg(mid 20s to mid 30s)? Cuz we are super duper westerned liao so why get married? To guys, cuz of women charter, so marriage is a lugi( lose lose) outcome?

2) cant marry or settle in sg cuz garmet say we cannot retire and we must work like mad so cant haf baby? Understand that marriage is the end of the sweet bgr thingy? Or maybe due to typical, stereotype , "square" minded mentalities or parents so cannot haf kids and stay unmarried?

3) lastly, maybe cannot marry sg female or male coz of other kind of reasons? Lol...

Dude, everything is about commitment. You commit to something, you don't give up and regret, noz matte how painful it is. You feel pain you give up your muscle will never grow.

[erkianpeng]

Thank you for confirming that DayView2012, DayView2013, DayView2014, YDJR, HFJAdvise(and all the other HFJ nicks), XiaoGe2011, XiaoGe2013 and now out with MoralEpitoma CLAP CLAP what's new, keep your clones coming nothing new anyways, same pattern, only more nicks, still self snooking LOL LOL LOL
Now even come out with HorLiSea to mimic me, you really out of ideas sial
Thank you, I rest my case LOL LOL LOL man of many nicks, but still, nothing but a LOSER :D

HorLiSee, have you see liao? How come no sound no picture from you?

[wayne23416]

Its nice to see that this thread is going on productively. Good Job Bro Mackewell..anyway this is my 2 cents..

1) why marriage seems secondary, third or even no priority in the lives of many younger gen in sg(mid 20s to mid 30s)? Cuz we are super duper westerned liao so why get married? To guys, cuz of women charter, so marriage is a lugi( lose lose) outcome?

I find that its not we are westernized but the mixture of both East Meets West. Yes we r westernized, but we still have our Asian roots that tie us down. We do not have the full-on western or eastern culture. We're stuck in the middle..Being western doesn't mean dont marry or have a dog instead of having a kid..

I find that woman's charter is made by some Ultra-Femminist that is just out of her mind...but I would love to get married some day...to a local, to someone foreign, it doesn't matter...chemistry matters most to me...hehehe..

2) cant marry or settle in sg cuz garmet say we cannot retire and we must work like mad so cant haf baby? Understand that marriage is the end of the sweet bgr thingy? Or maybe due to typical, stereotype , "square" minded mentalities or parents so cannot haf kids and stay unmarried?

Cannot marry? maybe...I find that most Singaporeans live in "what if's"..what if i go out and venture myself, would I be able to make it? I like the girl I see at the bar and I would wanna pick her up, what if she rejects me? If we dont venture, we would only make 2-2.5k a month..maybe more when we grow older...but think abt this, cars and housing r going up, our pay isn't should it be time we take risks when we r younger? and know that "ok..this is my limit" u wouldn't know where your limits r till u reach it...

I dont find that marriage is the end of sweet bgr...I find that its the geography is making things boring...u have to agree that singapore is small..I lived overseas and had a gf then..I was poor so I could only bring her to places that r free or cheap..in the time spend together, our relationship is flourishing cuz we had beaches to visit, museums to see, farmers' market to go to, festivals on the street to attend...Singapore's beaches r dirty, polluted and hot, museums r not free, farmers' market are imported "fresh produce" aimed at the richer, affluent consumers where as the ones i've visited are by the farmers who pluck or harvest their product the day itself and sell it at a reasonable price(free samples too)..I dated some ladies in Singapore and I personally found it hard cuz there r very few places I can bring them...

3) lastly, maybe cannot marry sg female or male coz of other kind of reasons? Lol...

I find that Singaporean ladies are really sweet and nice..but the last time I dated someone local was 4-5 years ago...I dont know..things might have changed but recently I've been meeting a string of weird ladies where they have boyfriends and they r not happy and they r shopping around his back! Maybe its just my bad luck...but I still keep my doors open.. :-)

[mackewell]

Its nice to see that this thread is going on productively. Good Job Bro Mackewell..anyway this is my 2 cents..

1) why marriage seems secondary, third or even no priority in the lives of many younger gen in sg(mid 20s to mid 30s)? Cuz we are super duper westerned liao so why get married? To guys, cuz of women charter, so marriage is a lugi( lose lose) outcome?

I find that its not we are westernized but the mixture of both East Meets West. Yes we r westernized, but we still have our Asian roots that tie us down. We do not have the full-on western or eastern culture. We're stuck in the middle..Being western doesn't mean dont marry or have a dog instead of having a kid..

I find that woman's charter is made by some Ultra-Femminist that is just out of her mind...but I would love to get married some day...to a local, to someone foreign, it doesn't matter...chemistry matters most to me...hehehe..

2) cant marry or settle in sg cuz garmet say we cannot retire and we must work like mad so cant haf baby? Understand that marriage is the end of the sweet bgr thingy? Or maybe due to typical, stereotype , "square" minded mentalities or parents so cannot haf kids and stay unmarried?

Cannot marry? maybe...I find that most Singaporeans live in "what if's"..what if i go out and venture myself, would I be able to make it? I like the girl I see at the bar and I would wanna pick her up, what if she rejects me? If we dont venture, we would only make 2-2.5k a month..maybe more when we grow older...but think abt this, cars and housing r going up, our pay isn't should it be time we take risks when we r younger? and know that "ok..this is my limit" u wouldn't know where your limits r till u reach it...

I dont find that marriage is the end of sweet bgr...I find that its the geography is making things boring...u have to agree that singapore is small..I lived overseas and had a gf then..I was poor so I could only bring her to places that r free or cheap..in the time spend together, our relationship is flourishing cuz we had beaches to visit, museums to see, farmers' market to go to, festivals on the street to attend...Singapore's beaches r dirty, polluted and hot, museums r not free, farmers' market are imported "fresh produce" aimed at the richer, affluent consumers where as the ones i've visited are by the farmers who pluck or harvest their product the day itself and sell it at a reasonable price(free samples too)..I dated some ladies in Singapore and I personally found it hard cuz there r very few places I can bring them...

3) lastly, maybe cannot marry sg female or male coz of other kind of reasons? Lol...

I find that Singaporean ladies are really sweet and nice..but the last time I dated someone local was 4-5 years ago...I dont know..things might have changed but recently I've been meeting a string of weird ladies where they have boyfriends and they r not happy and they r shopping around his back! Maybe its just my bad luck...but I still keep my doors open.. :-)

Hey Bro bruce wayne(i like batman hahahaaha),

thanks for your pointers, very insightful and singaporean :D

Lets face it, any country u go, not all the girls are rotten and incompatible with you. Its just whether u can accept their ambitious side. Sg girls are highly educated and their jobs are not bad too. Its natural they expect you to match their qualities. For MCPs like me, probably sg girls not suitable i guess until u really heng heng tio one gem by ur side.

When we work like dog in return to bring our gf go out and buy them stuff, they say we dont company them enuff. When we keep using the same car for almost ten years or for some use public transport for 10 years, they say we not improving and their hearts may change becuz of this.... lol. Life influenced by capitalism i suppose? Its damn tough to accommodate sg girls i will say coz generally they will do this IMO... I am not critical here but just being honest lah...

Best part is i cannot stand sg girls be it chinese or indian or malay cannot embrace and speak their mother tongue cos eating potato(Jiak Kan Tan) is the trend or culture or the way to go LOL.... at least respect ur roots mah lol.... applies to guys too, its beri fake lah unless u are raised without any contact wif ur mother tongue i nothing to sae lah...

I think we cant keep complaining abt Sillypore too much. We are already super stress due to our work demands and financial strains on COE, housing, banking loans. Just get used to it i will say, i already cant be bothered to tok about sillypore liao, all are negative to me lol be it politics , social and other issues. U can say i am spoilt for saying this but garment can be better i will say. Sg veri small, how gov manage our country will impact social norms, culture and our mentality so easily.

Things will just get more expensive(this yr, ur bak chor mee in most places will hit 4 bucks permanently i think), and marriage is very tough for we men cos the financial side of living in sg puts unnecessary stress on us and acts as a deterrent gradually. If your wife is so understanding and nice to not to compare u to FTs or higher earning sillyporeans, and dun mind u drive toyota and ur hdb flat and ur ntuc insurance and ur posb card and ur diploma from poly, then probably a blissful life awaits u in sg.

If not, be brave enuff to face the issues and foresee divorce and social problems( of cos i am not saying any marriage is perfect but when u expect more from both parties, there's bound to be more pressure and unhappiness when disappointment seeps in.... i being a realist here, not pessimistic lah...)

[wayne23416]

Bro Mackewell,

I wish i was the Billionaire Playboy but I aint...hahaha

I would wanna point this out to u...

When I was living in Cali, I realized that half the time when i mention Singapore, no one knows where it is..and when I tell them that its in between Malaysia and Indonesia, they would say there is nothing there...which I found was pretty funny...

Think abt this..be thankful that our education system is good...y? In Taiwan, there r too many people with Degrees and Masters. Having a Masters here is a huge deal but in Taiwan, having a Masters is like having a degree..there r plenty of them around..I once wanted to move to Taiwan. But when I realized how bad the economy was, I didn't wanna move...if I did, my pay check would b TWD$22,000 which equates too abt SGD$950! Yes, Taiwanese food is cheap but so is Singapore's food! I'm saying in general..but the thing is housing in taipei is as expensive as over in Sg and there is no BTO also..hahaha...but dont get me wrong, I'm actually a product of the system's reject..there r pros and cons...

anyway, dont look down on toyota ah...the New GT 86 looks really sweet....saving up to buy one...hahaha...but all in all...i would say that i would work in singapore but retire in a western country...

[mackewell]

Bro Mackewell,

I wish i was the Billionaire Playboy but I aint...hahaha

I would wanna point this out to u...

When I was living in Cali, I realized that half the time when i mention Singapore, no one knows where it is..and when I tell them that its in between Malaysia and Indonesia, they would say there is nothing there...which I found was pretty funny...

Think abt this..be thankful that our education system is good...y? In Taiwan, there r too many people with Degrees and Masters. Having a Masters here is a huge deal but in Taiwan, having a Masters is like having a degree..there r plenty of them around..I once wanted to move to Taiwan. But when I realized how bad the economy was, I didn't wanna move...if I did, my pay check would b TWD$22,000 which equates too abt SGD$950! Yes, Taiwanese food is cheap but so is Singapore's food! I'm saying in general..but the thing is housing in taipei is as expensive as over in Sg and there is no BTO also..hahaha...but dont get me wrong, I'm actually a product of the system's reject..there r pros and cons...

anyway, dont look down on toyota ah...the New GT 86 looks really sweet....saving up to buy one...hahaha...but all in all...i would say that i would work in singapore but retire in a western country...

Bro glad u are happy wif japan car lol...personally, i went to taiwan and makan ard and took the public transport ard taipei. I will say food and transport fare is slightly cheaper. Maybe ur standard of living is higher so taiwan can get expensive for u.

For instance, in shilin night market, i can try up to 4 kinds of food( be it oyster omelete, chive dumpling, da chang bau xiao chang, and one more snack i think) for 200 twd(sgd$8.70). I ate this 4 things for my dinner and i almost puke! In sg , our food got msg , preservatives but taiwan food dun have all this crap.our customer service lvl is fucked up compared to taiwan. I be happy to pay more in taiwan too lol...

In sg, 8.70 equals to my oyster omelete and a dongdaemun sausage. Tts it. Drink wise: gong cha in singapore 3 plus sgd whilst in taiwan 2 bucks sgd. i took de bus change mrt frm miramar taiwan to ximending(look at the mileage) cost about 30 twd i think.

For 1 dollar plus sgd, in singapore if i take bus and change mrt, its like go frm hougang to bishan maybe. Talking abt de rent, unless u stay condo or wad, stay their normal hse( 2 to 3 rm flat) cannot be like sgd rental got 1,500 to 2,500 sgd per mth. Its equals to max 1k sgd in taiwan if i am not wrong. If u earning 1500-2000k sgd in taiwan, u can save up money still. In singapore , 2k cant save much wif the cpf crap.

So overall, its cheaper, oh ya i went clubbing, i taiwan its 30 plus sgd, free flow liquor or beer, buffet style, in singapore, ard same price entrance, 2 small fucked up bourbon or tequila. Talk abt 7 eleven, fyi, ximending price for drinks like beer or soft drinks is 1.00-1.50bucks sgd(bottled ones and green tea 1.5 litee possible to get this price) . In orchard, i super anti 7 eleven. Why? A can of coke is $1.80 sgd.

Lets talk abt cab, frm orchard to paya lebar, a less than 20 min ride during midnite charge is 13 bucks sgd. in taiwan, a 30 minute ride ard taipei during midnight is slightly cheaper than sg price(very possible cuz midnight charge veri low).

Outside korea, japan , i can go on further abt our neighborhood countries on how cheaper than sg they can be( hell, hk on par wif sg but their train service super tok kong and their food can get cheaper outside city compared to sg). I lived like a poor man so i can tell u singapore is never cheap( u say back in 1998 maybe cheap)! Lol go gardens by de bay and art museum i need to pay ar? Wtf i go taiwan museum and garden see see most prolly free lol...

Oh ya or those sillyporens earning 1k before cpf one, most flocked to jb to stay. Why? Spore in last ten years become ridiculously expensive. If u look at the happiness index of sillyporeans( lets face it we are not uneducated whinners.), our country rank in last three of asia if i am not wrong. I am so putting on my hongbao money to say tt sillypore is the fking most expensive country in SEA.

[wayne23416]

sorry bro...I didn't took the taiwanese MRT once of twice...my gf drove me around when i was in taiwan..but i did vaguely recall its abt $2 SGD...but that was awhile back..

Clubbing I once went once..and it was the hottest night club there...W hotel...if i'm not wrong...its was like $40 minimum spending there..

when it comes it rent, it depends on where u stay...Da an which is the more beautiful and afluent area, rent for a studio is USD$800 but if u r staying in Dan Shui its half of that price...so it still depends on where u stay...

But looking at it, if u r making SGD$950 = USD$766 and u say u stay in Dan Shui, half your rent is gone! Wat abt eating a decent meal? or transport?

I love taiwan and its hospitality, its like Japan, only thing is that people speak chinese..in fact, during WW2, the Japans built taiwan's infrastructure.. ;-) But if i had choice, i would wanna bring my kid up here and send them overseas for tertiary school and blow their minds away...hahaha...

[mackewell]

sorry bro...I didn't took the taiwanese MRT once of twice...my gf drove me around when i was in taiwan..but i did vaguely recall its abt $2 SGD...but that was awhile back..

Clubbing I once went once..and it was the hottest night club there...W hotel...if i'm not wrong...its was like $40 minimum spending there..

when it comes it rent, it depends on where u stay...Da an which is the more beautiful and afluent area, rent for a studio is USD$800 but if u r staying in Dan Shui its half of that price...so it still depends on where u stay...

But looking at it, if u r making SGD$950 = USD$766 and u say u stay in Dan Shui, half your rent is gone! Wat abt eating a decent meal? or transport?

I love taiwan and its hospitality, its like Japan, only thing is that people speak chinese..in fact, during WW2, the Japans built taiwan's infrastructure.. ;-) But if i had choice, i would wanna bring my kid up here and send them overseas for tertiary school and blow their minds away...hahaha...

Wah lau eh, ur standard of living ATAS sia lol..... so still my stats is accurate based on a simple way of living, I stay in normal flat ok liao lol.... Try renting studio apartment and eat ur regular meals at the theme restaurant wif ur gf in sg. U will suffer and become broke lol... If u eat night market and go carrefour shopping like me, i dont see how expensive taiwan can be lol.... the spending can be like how i spend in sg back in 1998....

Oh ya i forgot to say, if i wanna retire in taiwan(highly no chance cos ex compared to thailand and vietnam) i will go there as a bachelor. U settling for your own livelihood is way cheap then wif ur gf or wife or wad.... Anyway , i am a very untypical singaporean, i wont bolster my ego by living good apartment, buy good car or wad lol.... so i suppose its expensive for most sillyporeans who move to taiwan...