Unrepentant Fake Lexus Owner

[teebs_darklord]

Originally Posted by newyorker88

I think Mr Ho himself posted the news in asiaone. Goes by the nick a1karmen, registed in August.

Had snapshots of this website, telling everyone that someone threaten a Mr Ho, giving out his car details and home address.

I guess his reasoning : wana die, everyone die with me.

Lets see what will happen. I am sure many of the underground people will not let him off. Police? I doubt they will care. For AVs to act? Maybe, that is his intention.

It is all out war between Mr Ho and the rest of the people.

Good Luck Mr Ho, you made a wrong step liao.

Doesn't matter at all who has done this, whether it is Ho or his friends or anyone else either in Singapore or out of Singapore.

End of the day, nothing will happen.

Secret Societies/Pimps/Gangsters to act against Ho? They have better things to do than moniter threads in Sammyboy forum.

AV/Police to act against the illegal joints? Please lah, locations of these illegal joints are public knowledge. If they want to raid these places, they can raid them at any time they want and they would not even need any of the info posted in the Asiaone forum.

Ho against the rest of the people? More likely Ho against Beng58 as I see it. If Beng58 is really as gung ho as he says he is, then I would have expected something BAD to happen to Ho by now. But has anything happened? NOPE.

The way I see it, this thread and other associated threads are basically NATO (No Action, Talk Only).

[teebs_darklord]

Originally Posted by ahbengsony

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bro newyorker

can't find leh.... deleted ???

This link. Still up since I last checked 1 min ago.

Pimps threatening Singaporeans over Chinese hookers - AsiaOne Forum

[Big Sexy]

the link is here..
Pimps threatening Singaporeans over Chinese hookers - AsiaOne Forum

Originally Posted by ahbengsony

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can't find leh.... deleted ???

[tuxedosam]

wow, this sure is kinda engrossing...very dramatic...just like one of those bad soap operas churned out by mediacorp, hahaha...

why get so worked up though? i kinda dun understand...yes, even if the much-publicised account of what andy ho did does indeed turn out to be somewhat true, so what? what business is it of us samsters? i can't speak for anyone else but i know this surely ain't my fight. and as one good bro pointed out, there are plenty examples of other pests, evils and injustices out there, crimes which are more stark and heinous, wrongs in plainer sight and more obvious...perhaps our self-styled vigilantes ought to redirect their passion and zeal towards more productive and value-added outlets eh? unless some other unspoken-of agendas and motives are involved, of course...ahem...

that's not particularly important anyway, actually... well, entertainment value aside, i believe most of us have no wish to really know and truly dun care. i'm no different. and i dun think it'd be entirely fair to call us callous or heartless either. the world has never been a simple place...and life is already complicated...certainly at least far too complex enough to get involved with the petty affairs of transient and ultimately inconsequential characters. stay focused, dudes...

on a slightly lighter note, i do find all the remarks about 'faked' lexuses (or should that be, depending on who you ask, 'lexi'?) somewhat amusing as well. the toyota harrier and the lexus RX roll off the same lines at the toyota kyūshū plant in fukuoka (though LHD examples of the RX destined for the north american market are also manufactured at the cambridge plant in ontario, canada) and they are essentially more or less the same car so the suggestion of trickery and deceit can only be taken a certain distance. yes, differences exist, obviously, because the harrier was originally a JDM-only vehicle...the passenger-side front-fender-mounted side under-mirror which is pretty standard on JDM offroaders (though the harrier and RX are probably better characterised as 'softroaders' or even crossovers) is usually a dead giveaway. spec levels can also be pretty divergent. JDM harriers were available with 2.2-litre (and 2.4-litre later) inline-4 engines (instead of the RX's V6) and FWD-only options that may not have been available on the RX in almost all markets. which means that you could pay less and settle for a lower-spec version (though top-end JDM harriers could actually be better specced than their lexus counterparts).

complicating all this is the massive expansion of the grey import or parallel import market in japanese cars throughout the region (and beyond) since the mid-'90s. realising that they could capitalise on a not inconsiderable cost advantage, grey importers have seized a reasonable chunk of the pie in RHD markets like singapore, hong kong, malaysia, australia or new zealand (where the grey market is now THE market). when the lexus RX was eventually made available by the official local distributor, i guess the grey importers must have faced a quandary. nobody driving a luxury or near-luxury vehicle wants to be labelled a cheapo, it can be imputed. and the toyota badging would have betrayed the parallel import origins (hence the cheapo association) quite immediately. and thus the rebadging, most of which was commissioned pre-sale by the importers themselves. similar practices occurred in other RHD grey markets across the region so there is nothing uniquely singaporean here. the RX wasn't the only example either. the toyota windom was also rebadged as the lexus ES by some importers (ditto the toyota celsior/lexus LS), a car which, for all intents and purposes, it is more or less identical to (the latest 5th gen ES is LHD only and the windom nameplate has also been canned so we won't be seeing this assuredly lexus take on the familiar camry theme any more on these streets, official examples or not). so does a badge alone make something a fake? ermmm...is it so simple?

since at the heart they remain the same, i'd venture to say that charges of fakery (in this case) are at best exaggerated ones. it's hardly an example of intellectual property rights being ripped off, as is the case with some of the truly awful offerings currently churned out by the chinese car industry, the most infamous example being the 'original' (a joke, surely?) chery QQ, of course. of course a 2.4-litre harrier rebadged as an RX300 or RX330 would be stretching things a bit but how is that any more gross or in worse taste than some boy racer plastering some 'fiercesome' tuner decal on his steed of choice? how is it any more duplicitous than the non-functional go-faster (more properly 'look faster') parts that many of us plant so innocently on our rice-rockets (or wanna-be rice rockets)? what of stock standard lancers that pretend they're Evos with garish, useless intake look-alikes and truly horrendous exhaust fittings? or low-spec civics that think a Type R job is just a badge and some cheap and ill-conceived bits and pieces? the euro-snobs aren't above board either. just check out the AMG or M badges that are so outta place on basement-spec E-class or 5-series cars (forming the vast majority of their respective populations) out there...it's just so laughable... And we haven't even gone into alpina or AC schnitzer territory (emblems and stickers only, i'm afraid) quite yet... seriously, who are you tricking with that M5 badge? what were you even thinking of? REAL M5 drivers dun add badges, they DE-BADGE. anyway, if buying a parallel import is such a crime, one should really check out the number of mercs out there who come in through parallel channels. if these examples can be unquestioningly considered true benzes, what makes a lexus with some minor toyota references any less a lexus? after all, they're made in the same place and are essentially the same, right? so where does transforming a harrier into an RX truly stand in all this? i'd still think it depends but that the score is not really high la. it's a faux pas, that's for sure, but not such a terrible error or crime. more grating examples of automotive style offences abound. the real poseurs, hipsters and assorted monkeys on wheels are out there around you. you just gotta look hard enough everywhere.

happily though, lexus is now a full-fledged separate sales division even in japan so the days of the toyota-badged lexus clone are numbered. the latest 3rd gen RX doesn't have a toyota equivalent at all and is sold as a lexus even in japan. if you really wanna get that harrier, you still can though...the 2nd gen model is still available for sale there, but only with the 2.4-litre engine. so save some cash if a simple nose job and a fatter wallet is your cup of tea. and yes, you'd probably save enough for a REAL nose job. not very sure if you can customise an RX240 badge to go with it though. why not just save yourself all that trouble and live with the honesty and self-love of its toyota badging? simple and straight-forward enough...

hahaha, just wanted to lighten all this 'life and death', 'doom and gloom' atmosphere here in this thread with something a bit tangential but still kinda related. no offence intended to any party. well, back to the morning glory and it seems the plot is still thickening by the hour, heheh... cops, lawyers etc. etc. very sordid and pretty sorry indeed...

[crazy_boi]

Haha.... Can't believe you guys are still talking about this Mr Ho.

TS: If you have all the information needed, just do whatever you want to. I don't see the need of consulting any of the bros here. Things are between you and him. If you are hoping someone here would do the dirty job, i do think you are dreaming.

Bros here seems to be forgetting the main reason what this is forum setup for.

[(",)]

Originally Posted by crazy_boi

TS: If you have all the information needed,
Bros here seems to be forgetting the main reason what this is forum setup for.

agreed.
we are none the wiser nor qualified to judge or give sentence.
we are not saint either.
but this guy is more of a sinner than any of us. now that his sins are announced, its time to proceed to the next step.
No need to further broadcast our judgment n views, just update us on what happened after legal action had been taken against him.

[Max77]

Originally Posted by Chia

...if the victim is a friend to me, I would do the same... I would ply ... in accordance to the Law...

Hoped u don't mind shed some light here...

Normally the police will ask the victim, do u wanna testify against the perpetrator? When the victim choose to remain silent for some reason, the case will rest and there's no case. True?

[keith85]

To Mr Ho,

Some bros here seek FL because of their previous relationship in which they have been hurt emotionally. I am one such person. Being emotionally hurt, I have no courage to go to other relationship or go to Gelyang for prostitution that why I decided to search online. While getting FL here, I got very emotional and sympathized the FL’s story and got cheated by one local FL (Melody). After that incident, that is when I got to know some bros here who are like me. They gave my advice and support. I did not pursue the matter nor hunt down Melody as to look for prostitution in my opinion is my mistakes. Why seek for revenge when I am wrong in the first place? Seeking more revenge is not going to help you in any way. It will only bring you more trouble.

I am not sure what you had experienced in your past but from the incident, you are not poor to the extent to seek for free service and steal money. You are rich and you cannot pay and need to steal? It is like a child from a rich family, stealing stuffs in shopping centre. It may be revenge to FL as you may have experience some bad FL cheating you. Now that Samsters here are hunting you down, you are seeking revenge again. Is this the right way to do? You are going no where but to let the whole world know what you have done in your previous years of misery. Revenge is not the way to resolve any incident.

You may hate FL. But it is this unequal world that results in FL coming to Singapore to earn. No girls want to get to this line if given a choice. To be f**ked by different guys every day, every hour to them is an emotional torture. Overtime, they changed and preferred to cheat money from soft-hearted bros. It is just a viscous cycle.

Just a word of advice to Mr Ho or even Melody Ng, if you saw this posting, stop all your revenge and start all over again in your normal life. It is harder to do than say. There are reasons for every one’s deed, be it bad or good. It may be your bad experience that you are doing things in this way. But revenge is definitely not the way to solve any problems. Forgive, Forget and start all over again.

To Samsters here,

You all have been trying to seek revenge and to stand up for the FL as you all disagree with Mr Ho’s deed. He has been doing this for years hence Samsters here want to stop his deed. All your initial intention is commmentable. However, instead of doing stuff to hurt Mr Ho, are there other way to solve this problems? Why not solve this problem peacefully? Hurting any parties is not a way to solve any problem but to create more endless problems.

[newyorker88]

Originally Posted by keith85

To Mr Ho,

. Revenge is not the way to resolve any incident.



Just a word of advice to Mr Ho or even Melody Ng, if you saw this posting, stop all your revenge and start all over again in your normal life. It is harder to do than say. There are reasons for every one’s deed, be it bad or good. It may be your bad experience that you are doing things in this way. But revenge is definitely not the way to solve any problems. Forgive, Forget and start all over again.

To Samsters here,

You all have been trying to seek revenge and to stand up for the FL as you all disagree with Mr Ho’s deed. He has been doing this for years hence Samsters here want to stop his deed. All your initial intention is commmentable. However, instead of doing stuff to hurt Mr Ho, are there other way to solve this problems? Why not solve this problem peacefully? Hurting any parties is not a way to solve any problem but to create more endless problems.

KUDOS to you!!!!

I have been trying to sort out Mr Ho and the rest of the brothers who are out for his blood. But Mr Ho is making things more ugly for himself now.

Myself getting zapped a few times, by who you know yourself. It does not pay to be the mediator, usually not without getting hurt.

Mr Ho has decided to go out all war with those who are after is blood. It may his karma that he is in this state now. However, it is still not too late for Mr Ho to take a step back and damage control.

Rumors and news like these goes away fast, and Mr Ho can live on again, by not touching any forums.

I have lay down the best possible steps for you now, Mr Ho. If you insist to come here to post more things, those who tries to help you cant help you anymore.

[keith85]

Originally Posted by newyorker88

KUDOS to you!!!!

I have been trying to sort out Mr Ho and the rest of the brothers who are out for his blood. But Mr Ho is making things more ugly for himself now.

Myself getting zapped a few times, by who you know yourself. It does not pay to be the mediator, usually not without getting hurt.

Mr Ho has decided to go out all war with those who are after is blood. It may his karma that he is in this state now. However, it is still not too late for Mr Ho to take a step back and damage control.

Rumors and news like these goes away fast, and Mr Ho can live on again, by not touching any forums.

I have lay down the best possible steps for you now, Mr Ho. If you insist to come here to post more things, those who tries to help you cant help you anymore.

That's is my last contribution here. I may seem to be acting like a mediator to samster here and being zapped. With only two points left to be under moderated, this should be my last posting before other samsters start zapping me for talking rubbish.

[PowerTAN_P_W]

Originally Posted by newyorker88

KUDOS to you!!!!

I have been trying to sort out Mr Ho and the rest of the brothers who are out for his blood. But Mr Ho is making things more ugly for himself now.

Myself getting zapped a few times, by who you know yourself. It does not pay to be the mediator, usually not without getting hurt.

Mr Ho has decided to go out all war with those who are after is blood. It may his karma that he is in this state now. However, it is still not too late for Mr Ho to take a step back and damage control.

Rumors and news like these goes away fast, and Mr Ho can live on again, by not touching any forums.

I have lay down the best possible steps for you now, Mr Ho. If you insist to come here to post more things, those who tries to help you cant help you anymore.

Got ppl ask you to be mediator meh? see you keep talking like some big fark here, trying hard to attract attention issit?

[12345678910]

Originally Posted by (",)

agreed.
now that his sins are announced, its time to proceed to the next step.
just update us on what happened after legal action had been taken against him.

whats the next step ? LOL. after reading this thread for more then 10 pages i notice that this person beng is just all talk no action. Legal action ? I'm sure this will never happen.

[teebs_darklord]

Originally Posted by Max77

Hoped u don't mind shed some light here...

Normally the police will ask the victim, do u wanna testify against the perpetrator? When the victim choose to remain silent for some reason, the case will rest and there's no case. True?

When the victim chooses to remain silent, then there is NO case at all. If no police report is made, then what case is there against HO and what can the police do???

As I said in my earlier posts, all this talking is getting nowhere. Will any FL/WL/KTV hostess ever go to the police to make a report that she has been beaten up by her customer, had money stolen, ass fucked against her consent etc?

Answer simply is NOPE because they have more to lose than gain by doing so.

So, is there anything that can be done to Ho? Answer is yes but Beng58 will have to weigh the consequences of going down this path if he so chooses to do so.

And short of persuading his "friend" to make a police report, I don't really see what other legal options Beng58 has to make Ho feel the consequences of his mistakes.

[Jkman]

Originally Posted by teebs_darklord

As I said in my earlier posts, all this talking is getting nowhere. Will any FL/WL/KTV hostess ever go to the police to make a report that she has been beaten up by her customer, had money stolen, ass fucked against her consent etc?

Answer simply is NOPE because they have more to lose than gain by doing so.

Here a good example!


Straits Times, Singapore, 18 March 2004
Jail, caning for bogus cop who robbed prostitutes

A JOBLESS man who pretended to be an anti-vice policeman to prey on prostitutes, was yesterday jailed for seven years.

Sivakumar Shanmugan, 31, will also be caned the maximum 24 strokes.

He pleaded guilty to 10 charges of impersonating a police officer, robbery and cheating. Two other charges were taken into consideration during sentencing.

Sivakumar would hire a prostitute, and take her to a budget hotel on the pretext of having sex.

But once inside the hotel room, he would flash his expired Environment Ministry pass bearing his photo and identify himself as an anti-vice officer.

He would rifle through woman's belongings and make off with her money and mobile phone.

He did this to five prostitutes.

In some cases, he bound the women's hands with plastic flex-cuffs while he went through their things.

Between February and July last year, Sivakumar stole a total of about $6,000 from the women.

In mitigation, his lawyer, Mr Dinagaran said his client, married with two young children, had to borrow money from loan sharks after being retrenched from his security guard job.

Sivakumar had only intended to get enough money to keep the illegal moneylenders at bay, he said.

He still faces more than 50 charges for impersonating a police officer, cheating and theft.

Copyright @ 2004 Singapore Press Holdings. All rights reserved.

[gimmeporn]

Originally Posted by Beng58

Bro SAM, dun you see the severity of the problem? HO get aways with it, think we cant do anything to him, tend to commit more similar crimes, then those HO-wannabes follow suit..... then what will happen? do i need to further elaborate?

if the bros all agree to let the matter rest, fine, i will rest my case.............

last but not least, i only let the PRCs, lick my dick, but never mess with my head, im just digusted at what HO does, prey on the victims that he fully aware that they cant do anything to him... who needs psychiatric help here?

As if our opinion matters to you anymore, dear Condomed Crusader/TS/Gatekeeper of Geylang, yes i am being sacarstic here, if you want to talk abt the severity of problems, let me point to you a few of my favourite issues - global warming, proverty in third world countries, peak oil, economic malaise etc etc.