Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

[niteowl]

One thing is for sure that without $, whoever steps in as a manager will not get instant success. But I do favour ex-Chelsea manager Claudio Ranieri as a successor for RB...IMHO But with a lot of superstars as in RM also does not equate to success as they had bow out in CL q-final and had only the La-liga title to play for

PS : RB may leave due to lack of motivation, no support from management or fans who will point-finger after every loss in the match that Liverpool played.

But I feel lucky to be at National Stadium last year to see them at least once in my life time. Once a Liverpool fan, always a Liverpool fan.

YNWA

[GeMiNiZzzzZzz]

Originally Posted by hawksbay

u call ur self a pool fan lol u don t even noe who sign them n u r here talking bullshit.screw ur memory

Originally Posted by hawksbay

another so called pool fan who don t noe who sign them.lol

Originally Posted by hawksbay

well bro they r the true fans of pool who don t noe who sign them n jus come in here n blabber.

Young man, is that all you've got ?

Capitalising on someone's small error.
Are you a manure fan ?

I can only say you do not deserve to be a reds fan ...

If i never remember wrongly, there was once you have put your signature wrongly on the date of liverpool until someone corrected you.
I dun see any true reds fan laughing at you

Anyway, to me you are just a small fry - cant really be bothered

[tatata21]

I maintain what I said make sense... I'm not a Liverpool fan and I'm not pretending to be one. I believe we all are matured enough to be able to take the positives and negatives of our teams unless you tell me otherwise.

You seem pro-rafa, I'll not say whether it is good or not, because as a fan you know better than me what he did to the squad and how he spend the transfer money over the past seasons.

[rahl]

Originally Posted by owen10

not sure if i remembered wrongly ... did SG also make a similar error which gifted Chelsea with a goal a few seasons back?

i have the same sentiments with u on Hodgson. Actually i was thinking of hairy redknapp too.

Did Stevie? What I found shocking was the commentators yada yada about his mistake, didn't even know that he has made mistakes like that before.

Harry is great but I doubt he will come. He has just started a project at Spurs and is very close to getting into the CL.

Originally Posted by Xgenre

I think we need a manager who is strong in man-management.

Just think of Evans (Spice Boys Era), Houllier and Rafa (both quite aloof and distant from players).

Bro this is like in the old days we were talking about one more guy to complete the team (it was defence - we got Mark Wright, then it was midfield, we got Incey). But there is only a limit to what a manager can do.

Fergie, Maureen, Rijkaard, Guardiola all worked with famously talented and expensive squads in recent years.

The manager can raise the team for a game or two, or in a knockout competition. But over 38 league games, European weekday games, and domestic cup games, you can't drag a footballer by the ears and demand that he perform. People do not work that way.

If you think Rafa is a poor man-manager, he raised us against the big sides - in Europe, Milan, Inter, Barca, Real, Chelsea - and in the premiership last year, Scum and Chelshit. It's tactics but tactics also give you confidence (this last few games, our tactics, as some bro mentioned, has been Mascher at right back, Agger at left, Ngog on for Kuyt).

I understand your point about football millionaires - yes they are brats most of them - but winning on the pitch is a different matter.

Originally Posted by tatata21

rahl you do make sense.

I have to say fans are not trigger by a one day failure. They are usually very patient, look at even City and Chelsea, the fans did not chase the managers out.

Bro, you sound like a reasonable fella (except the statement that Maureen is a shrewd tactician!!!), so let me say this, we are talking about fans who want the manager out ONE season after he challenged for the title (and pushed Scum all the way; without the injury to Torres, and Ronaldo, we would have won it). Is that not trigger happy?

You may argue that Rafa has failed not just this season but in all the five seasons save one. But we all know Rafa concentrated on the CL in the early seasons. You might say he should have done the league, fair enough, but didn't we all cheer him and the team at Istanbul, and all the great nights when we put out Inter, Chelshit, Barca and Real? If we want Rafa out after one horrendous season and ignore the other successes, we are hypocrites.

I accept there are fans who are reasonable and critical, but the loudest people who want Rafa out have been harping on the same note all this time, not because of results, but simply cos they don't like his style, his players, his tactics, his dog.

I think Rafa deserves a lot of criticism this season - most of all for not spending money on a striker to back up Torres. But if you claim to be reasonable, you want to watch the summer and give him 15 games next season. I think we owe him (and the club) at least that.

PS. You are not a Pool fan are you? It takes an outsider to speak more sense than many of the people here

Originally Posted by shyboy252001

look at Liverpool line up, how lean the squad? most of the time the first team players have to play in different position, simply because the reserve arent capable to step up. Mascherano have to play in right back position in so many games this season. Agger have to play on left back on occassion. Kuyt playing as right wing until Maxi came.

Excellent post. I thought Mascher was a disaster against Chelsea and Kalou ran rings around him.

The only question is the present state of affairs is not good enough. Rafa has either got to be very clever (or lucky) in the summer in the transfers. Certainly he has got to get a decent back up to Torres at the very least. And plug our serious gaps at leftback and rightback, let Aurelio and Degen go. Have the courage to play AA further up and in more games. Sorry to the Rafa-bashers, Lucas will stay and play for we still have good depth in midfield and flexibility. Babel needs to play more - I liked his effort in the last 10 games if not his actual productivity. We should get some money for selling Riera.

And of course 2 things may happen which will change things around - selling the club, and Rafa leaving. But I can't see any new owner being able to build the stadium and also give the manager a budget to rebuild the team.

I also think Rafa has decided to go.

[bochapsing]

Originally Posted by rahl

In this time, Arsene Wenger, a master tactician and philosopher of football, has won nothing as well. Some would say he has not spent enough and put his faith in youth. We all see the huge stadium they have built and are still paying for (what an irony - the stadium is supposed to bring in money but continues to pinch budgets after it's built)..

Originally Posted by tatata21

Wenger along with Arsenal has done fairly well admist the financial crisis. They are the only elite team that has a upward growth in market transactions, all this while competing with the likes of Utd Chelsea City Spurs and Liverpool, eventually still making the top 4.

The fans can accept the trophy drought but I admit it is getting uneasy even for the revered Arsene. His philosophy, transformation, tactics are what made Arsenal today, we were merely a boring team before. We had key injuries too, although all the tradition big 4 do face at least a crisis this season, we have the thinnest 1st team squad. The fans are more accomodating and appreciative of this long serving manager. We don't have the best team but we are one of the best clubs in the world.

I'm glad to hear Wenger promises significant spendings and is finally targetting the likes of Simon Kajer, Chamakh etc.. before that we were simply sitting around and expecting some names we never heard of (hoping to stay in big4, or even wrestle for title). I would say this is the unofficial first dividend from Emirates. This also shows he does lend a ear and understands the fans..

actually wat have arsene wenger won tis few years? i think he's having a longer trophy drought than rafa and he simply couldn't figure out how to win in europe...

he has been using "young team", "beautiful football", "limited budget", "buy low, sell high" as excuse for years and people (incl. media) have been buying his excuses.. but i always joke with my gunner fren tat they're having a brlliant "Finance Manager" who able to make tonnes of money for the club... LOL...

wat's the use of always having a young team which win u nothing?! and u're not getting any medal for making most money in the transfer market...

agree tat arsene wenger's gunners play beautiful football, and tat's the reason getting himself immune to criticism...

and arsenal is the financially most stable team in the top flight (excluding those backed by rich oil field), and they're having a new stadium (which will be soon fully paid) which able to generate hugh revenue for them..

[bochapsing]

Originally Posted by shyboy252001

the thing is, Liverpool, when every first team players are fit, is a VERY STRONG team, capable of winning any match, even against Chelsea/Barcelona/Man U.. but when the first team are down.. thats when the problem kicks in.. our reserves are not capable to deputise the senior.. some fans will finger point to Benitez for not being able to keep decent bench players and will comment like should keep Keane as back up.. but Keane's wage is probably in the range of 80k-100k per week? given Liverpool's budget, can we afford?

and as i mentioned in my prev post.. sometimes, our young players have to play whether they are ready or not.. especially Lucas. i again asked brothers out there, when Gerrard/Aquilani out injured. who to play in CM with Mascherano? Lucas or Plessis or Spearing?? i know some will comment, shouldnt sell Alonso or shouldnt buy Aquilani.. but given the current football world. which decent CM can u buy for 8-10 million? anyway, buy 8-10 million, confirm also will kena shot and fark upsize down for spending money unwisely..

but as they say "beware of what you wish for.." and in chinese "bu yao shi qi le, cai lai hou hui.." (dont come and regret after u lost it..)

good post, bro...

hope tat our young player in the reserve will be ready to step up very soon...
people dun realise tat it takes longer than 2 or 3 years to develope ur youth team, even u got money to buy all the best young players... and not all "best 16 or 17 yo players" turns out good...

[bochapsing]

Originally Posted by owen10

i have the same sentiments with u on Hodgson. Actually i was thinking of hairy redknapp too. he was quite magnificent transforming Spurs fr a team on the brink of relegation last year to a top 4/5 team this season! his history of achievements, no need to elaborate further.

got some reservation on roy hodgson...
he seems to be brilliant manager who able to bring out the best of "average player" and achieve wonder with an "average team", and not very good in handling big money, big player... only "big" team he had managed is Inter, which he failed to win anything with them..
before tat he managed Switzerland, having reasonable success consider Swiss not actually football powerhouse...
after Inter, he managed Blackburn, which he had a disaster time.. Blackburn under Jack Walker was the "chelsea" then, having big transfer budget... he was sacked after spending big money and getting Blackburn rooted at teh bottom of table..
he went on to manage Copenhagen, Udinese, UAE, Finland without much success before coming to Fulham... so his only success so far is this season which he guided Fulham to Europa final (not winning it yet)...

[tuyet]

Originally Posted by rahl

Did Stevie? What I found shocking was the commentators yada yada about his mistake, didn't even know that he has made mistakes like that before.

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Yup, think was a carling cup game, where Stevie own goal header from a blues' corner or freekick late into the game and forced it into extra time.

Bros lets not get too personal against each other over some bro's mistakes in which manager bought which player or wrong signature etc, and proclaiming one another is not the true Kop fan.

As for our crop of young players, it would indeed take a very courageous manager to assemble 3 or 4 of them into the starting eleven (rem fergie experimented with beckham, scholes, giggs and the 2 nevilles in 1 season and evans with fowler, mac and redder).

[GeMiNiZzzzZzz]

Originally Posted by bochapsing

got some reservation on roy hodgson...

Yep, good-management on a team of average players is different from managing a teams of top players like what we've got (Minus Lucas).

It all still comes down to the board on this...new owners i should say.

Originally Posted by tuyet

Bros lets not get too personal against each other over some bro's mistakes in which manager bought which player or wrong signature etc, and proclaiming one another is not the true Kop fan...

It's childish isnt it ..YNWL

[tatata21]

bochapsing, I agree that even some Arsenal fans are starting to get impatient with the trophy drought. Like I said earlier, fans do not oust a manager quickly nor will they tolerate disappointments seasons after season - unless you are a glory hunter then Barca might be a better option.

I can't emphasize enough that the bond between Wenger and Arsenal is a special one, similar to SAF to United. You do not sack your 10yr wife for not being able to bare you a baby because you are impotent yourself right?

I can tell your post against Arsenal is a sketchy one and I understand that from an outsiders' pov. We haven't had any significant glory since out undefeatables, largely due to our investment in the stadium but it is not any that bad for someone with good foresight. Despite the lack of funds, we still play well and play attractive admist the crisis, when returns start to roll in, which is starting this summer... I don't see how we don't rank side by side with Chelsea/United in 1 or 2 seasons.

This is one of the key difference between the 2 managers, with one not being able to allow fans, owners and himself(?) to see light in the distance. While we're debating, Rafa might just be planning a comfortable route out to another fine club already.

Every team from top to bottom has key injuries this season so I wouldn't use it as a defence nor should it be greatly reiterate by the fans nor managers. Many teams had sufficient funds to begin with, but how they use them is another question.

If Rafa can or wants to stay, then Dec could be the deadline to see improvements. It'll be good if he can miraculously inject life into the team at the start of next season and do not complain about lack of funds. If he simply wants to play the money game which is not hard especially with a reputation like Liverpool, then many managers can do the same or even better.

Some bros may find me a hypocrite for commenting on Liverpool when I do not support them. Well my intentions were not clear but I shall make it so now...

I don't want to see a club with rich history to fall behind the pack. I want to see more than just a big 4, a highly competitive "big 6" is more exciting to even the neutrals. We don't need another Forest or Magpies.

[bochapsing]

Originally Posted by tatata21

I can't emphasize enough that the bond between Wenger and Arsenal is a special one, similar to SAF to United. You do not sack your 10yr wife for not being able to bare you a baby because you are impotent yourself right?

I can tell your post against Arsenal is a sketchy one and I understand that from an outsiders' pov. We haven't had any significant glory since out undefeatables, largely due to our investment in the stadium but it is not any that bad for someone with good foresight. Despite the lack of funds, we still play well and play attractive admist the crisis, when returns start to roll in, which is starting this summer... I don't see how we don't rank side by side with Chelsea/United in 1 or 2 seasons..

tat's why i feel tat our problem lies with our owners...

a new stadium is critical to the long term future of the club, with a big stadium and proper people running it (which we did manage to get rid of parry), it can "self substain" or operate without owners pumping in 50 mil every season..yes, ur arsenal is going to see the return finacially very soon and hopefully it can turn into return in term of trophy... good for u...

till today, 3 years since those 2 jokers promised, not even a brick is laid for our stadium!! meanwhile, we're still left in dark of who will be our owners, are we having our stadium, will we be having money to sign players...!!??
i'm more worried tat rafa leaving us rather than worrying how to get rid of him... with everything so uncertain in the club, the last thing is losing ur manager and bring more uncertainty to the club and players...

previously, i look forward to any news or rumours of which players we're linked to...
but now, i'm more "gan cheong" to read abt latest rumour abt new owners...

[Xgenre]

Originally Posted by owen10

not sure if i remembered wrongly ... did SG also make a similar error which gifted Chelsea with a goal a few seasons back? ... then ppl started taunting that SG's gonna become a Blues soon.

Gerrard back-passed to Thierry Henry and Henry scored the goal in the 2-1 victory. Henry Scores 2 as Arsenal Beats Liverpool; United Win (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

Gerrard scored a late own goal (header) in the 2005 League Cup final against Chelsea. We lost 2-1 in the end despite Riise scoring an early goal. That own goal sparked off comments that Gerrard started scoring for Chelsea even before joining Chelsea. Remember the match where Mourinho was sent off for putting a finger to his mouth at Liverpool fans? Asking us to shut up?

2005 Football League Cup Final - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2004/05 and 2005/06 are the seasons where Gerrard is linked to Chelsea.

[rahl]

Originally Posted by tuyet

Yup, think was a carling cup game, where Stevie own goal header from a blues' corner or freekick late into the game and forced it into extra time.

Alamak, that's different from a backpass lah.

Originally Posted by tatata21

I can't emphasize enough that the bond between Wenger and Arsenal is a special one, similar to SAF to United.

This is one of the key difference between the 2 managers, with one not being able to allow fans, owners and himself(?) to see light in the distance.

I wouldn't care less that you are an Arse fan as long as you make sense and be honest about your convictions. Welcome to the group.

I would say that Arsene is also living on his past glories. Would he be that much loved if he hadn't won those league titles in the beginning, gotten the better of Fergie on those occasions and had that long unbeaten run etc?

He is also bloody stubborn like Rafa isn't it, and you can tell from the pundits that the media are also beginning to turn against him. And from Arsene's recent comments, he may have realised he needs to splash as well to compete.

Of course, Arsene has much more finances at his disposal, so comparing him and Rafa over a span of time is a moot point. We can wait till we find new owners or perhaps Rafa and Arsene can swap clubs for a season?

Originally Posted by bochapsing

a new stadium is critical to the long term future of the club, with a big stadium and proper people running it (which we did manage to get rid of parry), it can "self substain" or operate without owners pumping in 50 mil every season..

In the middle term, yes, but in the short run, we will still be strapped for transfers. The financial sense dictates that the stadium is more important than rebuilding the squad, so Stevie, Torres and all those who may wish to leave if no big names are signed, may not survive this phase. Just look at Arsenal - there is a massive price to pay for building a stadium, and Rafa has been trying to cope by getting in youngsters, so that hopefully those youngsters would be ready when the stadium is soaking up our finances. Hopefully, but it's always a gamble.

[tuyet]

Originally Posted by rahl

Alamak, that's different from a backpass lah.

I wouldn't care less that you are an Arse fan as long as you make sense and be honest about your convictions. Welcome to the group.

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backpass or own goal or missing a sitter, if the 1 mistake resulted in lost of the match or points lost, that IMHO is an unpardonable mistake. All along we have other players too (Carra, Johnson, even the ex Alonso) who had committed this, but none more explicitly documented / commendated by the commendator on stevie's back-pass in blues match. (yes, i endured the heart-pain to watch the rematch)

On other team's fan, i do echo bro rahl's view that "if the comments make sense and is honest on the conviction, he is always welcome"..but knowingly this is a "Reds Supporters Gathering"..hmm, personally i don't even wish to peek into scums or blues or gunners' thread..

[H.Q.LEE]

Liverpool sits in 7th position of the league standings after their last home match against chelsea. Let's pray that chelsea win the last match against Wigan...