Pattaya

[TheHammers]

Originally Posted by oolouis

You can have instant gratification at the bars here as most of them have ST rooms upstairs. Barfine 300-500, and most puyings ask for 1000 ST nowadays if not more.

The prices are crazy in Patts now. Only last year I was paying 300 bf + 700 ST at beer bars. Now barely 12 months later the bars want 500 bf + 1000 to 1200 for ST. Even my regular girl whom I always patronise refuse to settle for less than 1200 for ST. She says her bar has new owner and he wants some "standard" in his bar and not cheap Charlie's...... to me that excuse is bollocks!!

[TonyCheong]

Originally Posted by TheHammers

The prices are crazy in Patts now. Only last year I was paying 300 bf + 700 ST at beer bars. Now barely 12 months later the bars want 500 bf + 1000 to 1200 for ST. Even my regular girl whom I always patronise refuse to settle for less than 1200 for ST. She says her bar has new owner and he wants some "standard" in his bar and not cheap Charlie's...... to me that excuse is bollocks!!

Haha going upmarket huh?

Seriously sometimes Thai girl's words can only believe 50%.

[mackewell]

Originally Posted by TheHammers

The prices are crazy in Patts now. Only last year I was paying 300 bf + 700 ST at beer bars. Now barely 12 months later the bars want 500 bf + 1000 to 1200 for ST. Even my regular girl whom I always patronise refuse to settle for less than 1200 for ST. She says her bar has new owner and he wants some "standard" in his bar and not cheap Charlie's...... to me that excuse is bollocks!!

LOL i always pay JET Roi ( 700 bht) for short time, its either u hunted for the hottest girl there or u never just quote ur price first or the girl dont really like you tt much...

[indianmagicoil]

Originally Posted by sentsggirls

Now sibeo song at here.

Cheeby lah... post pictures can be anywhere! U sibeh song where? Jurong ah? Post a proper FR leh... not post pictures of your hairy legs or your pack of ciggies on the table with comments like "shiok!" "sabai!" "now at XXX"

Originally Posted by whamzz

hi bros.. first time going to pattaya and will be staying at amari orchid..can any one advise what is the nearest place that I can have some 'fun'? and whether are is it within walking distance? (or do I have to take a cab or something?)

really appreciate your help bros!!

Firstly avoid the hookers, gay boys and trannys along Beach Road at night especially if you are new to Pattaya. But fucking them is cheap starts from BHT500 to BHT600 a pop. Attracts mostly Indians, Arabs, Russians and the Cheap Charlies.

Most of these hookers can't work a regular gig coz they are either diseased, junkies or maybe moonlighting when they can't pay that month's rent. My advise is dun b satang wise baht foolish.

Secondly there are no cabs in Pattaya like in Bangkok. Its only pick ups with seats at the back called "song-teaws". Just flag any one down on the main road. All goes one way. 1st route is Beach Road to Walking Street. 2nd route starts from junction of Pattaya Dai (Pattaya South) Road and 2nd Road. Get ready many BHT10 coins in pocket.

Nearest fuck joints within walking distance of your hotel.
1) massage parlours along 2nd Road near the Big C supermarket. Its just behind your hotel. Ask your hotel front desk how to walk to Big C. Once NEAR Big C (dun cross road) there u can see the massage place at main road. Sorry forget name. (10 mins walk)

2) if that doesn't rock your boat u can walk down 2nd Road (against the flow of traffic) to Soi 6 (5 to 10 mins walk) many short time bars starts from BHT1,000 a pop. Quality of girls vary. Take your time to bar hop and choose carefully.

3) if you are walking from Big C along 2nd Road. Just before Soi 6 is Rasputin Massage. You will see a MacDonalds and 7-11 on the main road. Between them is the small soi where Rasputin is about 200m into the sub-soi.

OK these are what I can think off hand within 10-15 min walk from your hotel. Dun want tell u more or else too much info u blur.

Get a map and study the layout of Pattaya before u go and u will understand my directions better. Good Luck!

Originally Posted by TheHammers

The prices are crazy in Patts now. Only last year I was paying 300 bf + 700 ST at beer bars. Now barely 12 months later the bars want 500 bf + 1000 to 1200 for ST. Even my regular girl whom I always patronise refuse to settle for less than 1200 for ST. She says her bar has new owner and he wants some "standard" in his bar and not cheap Charlie's...... to me that excuse is bollocks!!

Soi 6 ST bars I remember still BHT1000 for on premises ST, all in. BF 500? Last time I add another 100 and can BF her out already! Where is this place?

Highest BF are asking for BHT1000 to BHT1200 the so called "agency" girls. These girls mostly work at bigger clubs at WS i.e. Sensations or some AGGs at LK.

[Kawaiisoi6]

Originally Posted by oolouis

Your points are valid, Kawaii. But why does it happen? Whole host of reasons.

Cheap Charlies seeking a deal
Newbies thinking its more of a hunt
Old hands confident they can filter out the undesirables
Thrill seekers who like living dangerously. (I've got a laowai friend like that. He goes bareback whenever he can)
Gem hunters. Rare but it happens.

So to each his own, I suppose

Well to me thats why we read forums like this so we more informed. Spend so much on airfare and hotels just to expose yourself to unnecessary known risks is too much of a hazard.
I can understand the cheapos like mainland Indians and certain Arabs who for known reasons even myself dont let them into our bar. These guys have not much choice.
You also say searching for gems..to me this mostly means pheodophiles searching for underaged girls. These are scum.

[Kawaiisoi6]

Originally Posted by TheHammers

The prices are crazy in Patts now. Only last year I was paying 300 bf + 700 ST at beer bars. Now barely 12 months later the bars want 500 bf + 1000 to 1200 for ST. Even my regular girl whom I always patronise refuse to settle for less than 1200 for ST. She says her bar has new owner and he wants some "standard" in his bar and not cheap Charlie's...... to me that excuse is bollocks!!

Personally I am not aware of any bar in Soi 6 that charge 500 baht bf for ST. .Most is 300...and outcall ST is 350. Maybe you can name the bar ?

[Kawaiisoi6]

Originally Posted by TonyCheong

Haha going upmarket huh?

Seriously sometimes Thai girl's words can only believe 50%.

Well sometimes its us bar owners who teach the girls what to say...5555

Honestly ..I have always paid what the girl asked for..that is if I like or want her bad enough. Its a supply and demand issue..guys who are always whining about girls asking ridiculous prices...I personally say ....just walk away and dont blame the girl..just blame yourself for not earning enough.

[oolouis]

Originally Posted by indianmagicoil

Highest BF are asking for BHT1000 to BHT1200 the so called "agency" girls. These girls mostly work at bigger clubs at WS i.e. Sensations or some AGGs at LK.

BFs at Sensations are now 1500 before 1am, and 1000 after 1am

If the agency girls 'consent' to go with you, it works out cheaper to cough up 1500 there and then. Hanging around until 1am will entail buying LDs, three of which will set you back the 500 you were trying to save in the first place.

Plus you face the risk, while waiting around for 1am, of being out bided by eager beavers happy to pay more than you

So carpe diem I say

Note: Many agency girls choose not to go out with punters.

[oolouis]

To the bro who pm ed me, pls allow me to answer in this forum, so that other noobs can benefit too...

"Hi bro, thanks for your advice.. have already upped yr points in return.. but just to ask, what is the process like when one enters an ago ago bar? "

Well, when you enter a agg, take your time to pick a seat. You don't have to follow the waitress or host or doorman who are eager to shoo you into one.

Typically, there will be a stage, or more than one stage in the centre of the bar, where naked and semi-naked girls gyrate away to the rhythm of hot music. There could also be smaller stages off the main stage where naked girls shower themselves or are in various stages of simulated copulation haha.

For me, I like to walk one round around the agg, and if no girl picked my fancy, straight out. It's ok, no one will accost you, most will thank you for coming.

"After I've ordered my drinks, do I pay for them on the spot or keep the tab running?"
That's up to you too. Usually they will just fold the tab and put it in a small bin on top of your table. If you intend to stay for a while and to buy lady drinks, it's more convenient to pay only when you leave.

"And is hanky panky on the spot (like groping) allowed?"
My word, go for your life! Grope for all you care, if you do not meet resistance coming the other way! If you do, a lady drink or two, will usually smooth over all resistance lol. Many chio ones will grope you even before you grope them. All fun

"Lastly, if I want to bring a girl up for ST, how do I do it?"
Ask her directly. Stock standard bar lingo is 'You go with me?' It's also always wise to agree to prices before you leave the place.

Before you ask, it's also good to check with the mamasan or waitress there what's the going house BF, ST n LT rates. Just so you know if the puying over-quotes you.

"Sorry for my noob questions..but I don't seem to be able to find any discussions on these (guess everyone here is a veteran!)"
No apologies required. I was a noob once, and still am, in many other whoring establishments

[TonyCheong]

Originally Posted by Kawaiisoi6

Well sometimes its us bar owners who teach the girls what to say...5555

Honestly ..I have always paid what the girl asked for..that is if I like or want her bad enough. Its a supply and demand issue..guys who are always whining about girls asking ridiculous prices...I personally say ....just walk away and dont blame the girl..just blame yourself for not earning enough.

I feel if there's a reasonable fixed price that the market can accept then there's transparency.
Once there's transparency customers will know what's the fixed rate and will know they're not getting ripped off.
Word gets around and business may increase.

Thus the low ballers will back off and the girls feel happy working in your bar as their welfare is secured.
Very soon your reputation among the bar girls is jai dee boss.
Your current employees will refer many of their firends to work under your bar.
More girls = more business.
Keep the employees happy and naturally they'll make more money for you.
What do you think?

Pak etct88's good friend is also my good friend so hope my suggestions are beneficial for you.
You can ask him about me and what I do.
55555.

Personal opinions only so some may agree or not.

[mackewell]

Originally Posted by oolouis

To the bro who pm ed me, pls allow me to answer in this forum, so that other noobs can benefit too...

"Hi bro, thanks for your advice.. have already upped yr points in return.. but just to ask, what is the process like when one enters an ago ago bar? "

Well, when you enter a agg, take your time to pick a seat. You don't have to follow the waitress or host or doorman who are eager to shoo you into one.

Typically, there will be a stage, or more than one stage in the centre of the bar, where naked and semi-naked girls gyrate away to the rhythm of hot music. There could also be smaller stages off the main stage where naked girls shower themselves or are in various stages of simulated copulation haha.

For me, I like to walk one round around the agg, and if no girl picked my fancy, straight out. It's ok, no one will accost you, most will thank you for coming.

"After I've ordered my drinks, do I pay for them on the spot or keep the tab running?"
That's up to you too. Usually they will just fold the tab and put it in a small bin on top of your table. If you intend to stay for a while and to buy lady drinks, it's more convenient to pay only when you leave.

"And is hanky panky on the spot (like groping) allowed?"
My word, go for your life! Grope for all you care, if you do not meet resistance coming the other way! If you do, a lady drink or two, will usually smooth over all resistance lol. Many chio ones will grope you even before you grope them. All fun

"Lastly, if I want to bring a girl up for ST, how do I do it?"
Ask her directly. Stock standard bar lingo is 'You go with me?' It's also always wise to agree to prices before you leave the place.

Before you ask, it's also good to check with the mamasan or waitress there what's the going house BF, ST n LT rates. Just so you know if the puying over-quotes you.

"Sorry for my noob questions..but I don't seem to be able to find any discussions on these (guess everyone here is a veteran!)"
No apologies required. I was a noob once, and still am, in many other whoring establishments

Wah Uncle Louis become pro liao ah LOL....

[mackewell]

Originally Posted by TonyCheong

I feel if there's a reasonable fixed price that the market can accept then there's transparency.
Once there's transparency customers will know what's the fixed rate and will know they're not getting ripped off.
Word gets around and business may increase.

Thus the low ballers will back off and the girls feel happy working in your bar as their welfare is secured.
Very soon your reputation among the bar girls is jai dee boss.
Your current employees will refer many of their firends to work under your bar.
More girls = more business.
What do you think?

Pak etct88's good friend is also my good friend so hope my suggestions are beneficial for you.
You can ask him about me and what I do.
55555.

Personal opinions only so some may agree or not.

My take is STOP COMPLAINING and MOANING about the prices you cant pay. I was like that also prior to my Patts trip back in Jan. However, thanks to angry boss's enlightenment, if u notice, there is always bars for the lower class, mid class and the upper class ppl. Simply, dont patronise the upper class places lah.

I dont go to the places like Airport club, baccara, even happy, all the super girls super babies, iron clubs cuz girls are stucked up(coz they earned alot and the business model there is like that) and LT/ST prices are high always. its like that one, u cant expect to complain and they will change, WAIT LONG LONG...

And dont come tell me no places for lower class/budget dudes like me in patts lah. Got a couple good ones. The problem is , can you typical singaporeans move away from the FAIR skin thingy and ''i must find the goddess'' crap? Can u get the better of ur freaking EGO? cuz u just want to be good so that u can show off to ur frens??

its not always the super chio one is the best leh imo. U want super chio, take your money out lah, u want pay cheap and get super chio girls? she got other suitors who is willing to splurge leh LOL... and also, tanned skin girls are plenty in patts, u want fair girls? hard to find IMO... and u want fair girls? go Vietnam or China more better leh... U need to appreciate tanned skin girls in thailand and pinoyland or else kinda wasted LOL...

[indianmagicoil]

What u mean by transparent pricing? Chiong stock index where mongers can monitor the raise and fall in prices of the various counters (bars)? This is a free market economy and if demand at a particular bar is god naturally prices will go up. There are many different segments to cater to all pockets. Coconut Bar for the cheap Charlie's to G-clubs for those with deep pockets.

Bar owners cannot suppress prices becoz there is a puying-power shortage now. Why u think the "agency girl" appeared on the scene the last few years. Joints have trouble attracting girls to work. Girls also get smarter and if I am gonna open my legs might as well go where the money is better including overseas.

This is willing buyer - willing seller market. There is also inflation. Can't be paying the same prices 10 years ago now right?

[Kawaiisoi6]

Originally Posted by TonyCheong

I feel if there's a reasonable fixed price that the market can accept then there's transparency.
Once there's transparency customers will know what's the fixed rate and will know they're not getting ripped off.
Word gets around and business may increase.

Thus the low ballers will back off and the girls feel happy working in your bar as their welfare is secured.
Very soon your reputation among the bar girls is jai dee boss.
Your current employees will refer many of their firends to work under your bar.
More girls = more business.
Keep the employees happy and naturally they'll make more money for you.
What do you think?

Pak etct88's good friend is also my good friend so hope my suggestions are beneficial for you.
You can ask him about me and what I do.
55555.

Personal opinions only so some may agree or not.

There lies the beauty and allure of Pattaya . Girls are free to quote their prices. While they work for a salary or freelances..they do things out of their own free will. They are not caged prostitutes nor have a pimp looking over their shoulder.
So why must here be a standard? A girl who seemingly overpriced herself obviously knows what she doing cos thats her living.
2 examples I can quote. One is a doll who used to go LT w me for 1000 baht cos she works out of ibar. A few months back met her in Pier and a few of us were just chilling in there. This girl attracts a lot of attention and on one occasion a yong guy was insistent on going with her.She just turned around and said 4000 baht ST. He said yes and they went off..She came back barely 35 mins later and bought a new bottle of vodka. I asked her he really paid 4000 baht? She said no..he gave her extra tip so she got an easy 5000 baht.
Another example is one of my own girls. She already had 4 STs on this particular day and late in the night a chap came in and wanted to barfine her LT. She whined at me in Thai saying she was tired already. I told her just say No nicely to him..otherwise quote him higher.
She thought abt it for a second and then told him 3500 baht. He agreed and off they went. To me these instances should answer most questions abt prices. Japanese customers always sighed..but they acknowledged that they themselves are aware the girls will always quote them higher than normal.

[Kawaiisoi6]

Originally Posted by indianmagicoil

What u mean by transparent pricing? Chiong stock index where mongers can monitor the raise and fall in prices of the various counters (bars)? This is a free market economy and if demand at a particular bar is god naturally prices will go up. There are many different segments to cater to all pockets. Coconut Bar for the cheap Charlie's to G-clubs for those with deep pockets.

Bar owners cannot suppress prices becoz there is a puying-power shortage now. Why u think the "agency girl" appeared on the scene the last few years. Joints have trouble attracting girls to work. Girls also get smarter and if I am gonna open my legs might as well go where the money is better including overseas.

This is willing buyer - willing seller market. There is also inflation. Can't be paying the same prices 10 years ago now right?

IMC...you hit this nail right on the head. I agree 100 %