Long Distance Tirak Relationship - Myth or Reality

[Cat Man]

Originally Posted by Five Stone

Hair salon?? Sounds like a good deal, there are schools around in BKK but I heard from another Samster that it cost 60K to enrol there!!!

you mean hair styling school? yah, got some of those in BKK. famous one is Grace Siam at Petchaburi Soi 13. enrolling is 20K upwards, depending on the package (life member, full course, topic-specific course), plus buy stuffs like scissors and combs, dummy head, etc. can add up to more than the 60K you mentioned. Hairstyling is usually WL's choice of 2nd career. many ex-WL are students at such schools. My wife is a Grace Siam graduate, kekeke.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by sg69

i have asked a couple of the questions when i was there with her and have observed her lifestyle and dress sense.

1. she is from Chiangrai, father's an engineer, dunno working for govt. or running a small setup, only have a younger brother who is 14 n she loves very much. mum passed away n dats is why she came to bangkok n lives alone whilst brother is in another province but coming to bkk soon.

2. she drives an old civic whom she only use to go gym or find her friend whom i also met or go nearby places. she will not drive to city becoz parking is expensive and jammed.

3. went clubbing with her, these are what she drank...heineken, long island tea, JD coke and she doesn't drink much. she likes hip hop n r&b, she likes to sit n observe people, she onli moves a little. khao san is her fav. hangout for clubs.

4. she stays at phattunakan, rent is 8k for a furnished studio, apt is tidy and furniture and elect. appliances are simple...landlord provide i guess. 1 thing bad is she gt no w/heater becoz she doesn't feel the need n she says cold water is good for skin...hahaha....aircon she seldom use...mostly use fan...only when i slept over she on her aircon but off it after the place cools down.

6. this wasn't my 1st time in bkk...i go there at least 3 times a year or more. most of the time, i gt happenings there, knowing girls whilst shopping or clubbing. i dun pay any of them...1 even came over to sg to look for me...howver, lost all their contacts as i dun have chemistry with them. this time round, i feel the chemistry n cant wait to go back n see her.

7. most of the time i called her, she is usually at home. she says she only goes out the most twice weekly n eats at restaurant(ard 1k for 2-4 pax) with her friend once a week the most.

i do ask a favor from experience brudders here, please tell me your observations n deductions from the info i given above. don't hold back, seeking your advice. thanks.

1. Since her mother has passed away, she might be doing the role of giving her love for her brother for her mother as well. So did you ask her for her brother's plans to come bkk? Extra mouth to feed too especiually if he is coming to study.

2. Let's say the civic is fully paid by the father, the costs will come from petrol and some misc of maintaining a car. One month petrol also need around 400-500baht if she don't really drive, thats about 20+ litres of petrol. So plus her other transport costs also comes up to extra 300.

3. 1 clubbing night, lets say 2 rounds. 1 heineken and 1 Long Island, come up to about 200baht at least. 1 month 4 times also abt 800baht. But i think will hit more than 1K baht.

4. This part impt. Why 1 person need to stay in a 8K apt when she is not working? In pattanakarn, this kind of price, should be in the area near King's Hotel right? Must ask bkkguy cos last time he stay in pattanakarn. Pay water about 2-300baht. If dun use aircon, roughly around 300baht for electricity if cheap. But then if apt rates, normally will hit 500baht at least.

6. Don't let the chemistry blind you in your judgement.

7. Eat restaurant let's say once a week and even if pay dutch, also come to 1K baht a month.

So factor in all these costs,
700baht for transport
800baht for cheonging clubs
8600baht for roof and amenities (Which i feel more)
1000baht eat restuarant
Plus her living expenses eg food. Lets say one day spend 50baht on meals, 1 month also 1500baht

Total=12600baht. Bear in mind all my costs is the minimum estimate and in any case, you should standby an extra 3-5K baht extra in the estimate
Not forgetting her school fees,

So u make ur own judgement, from here. Until you don't know where her source of money comes from, better don't go head in all the way.

SC

[sg69]

thanks brudder siamcutey for your deductions. you are really experience and frank abt your observations. thank you again. i need someone to control my feelings. my friends are not help but just say i am being crazy. what you say about her expenses, i calculated is about there and probably more but i still dunno how to ask her where she gets her $. I still cant figure out how to ask her. my feelings for grow stronger with each passing day and conversations and messages with her. I think my hp bills gonna burst.

she told me her brother will come over bangkok when she graduates and find a job. from our conversations, she sounds like a sensible person who knows how to spend her $. she even asked me to cut down on my hp conversations with her as it is expensive. she just open an email a/c because of me and will go to her friend's plc to check her mail so i can save $. she doesn't have a pc at home. wish i strike 4d 2molo and buy her 1. brudder, i m losing control again. sigh....i find it very difficult to control my feelings for her. imagine, so short a period and we didn't have physical contact and i am feeling this way. i find myself not being sensible but i cant help it. hope i learn more abt her and feedback to brudders here for more advice.

thanks again.

[Cat Man]

Originally Posted by sg69

thanks brudder siamcutey for your deductions. you are really experience and frank abt your observations. thank you again. i need someone to control my feelings. my friends are not help but just say i am being crazy. what you say about her expenses, i calculated is about there and probably more but i still dunno how to ask her where she gets her $. I still cant figure out how to ask her. my feelings for grow stronger with each passing day and conversations and messages with her. I think my hp bills gonna burst.
she told me her brother will come over bangkok when she graduates and find a job. from our conversations, she sounds like a sensible person who knows how to spend her $. she even asked me to cut down on my hp conversations with her as it is expensive. she just open an email a/c because of me and will go to her friend's plc to check her mail so i can save $. she doesn't have a pc at home. wish i strike 4d 2molo and buy her 1. brudder, i m losing control again. sigh....i find it very difficult to control my feelings for her. imagine, so short a period and we didn't have physical contact and i am feeling this way. i find myself not being sensible but i cant help it. hope i learn more abt her and feedback to brudders here for more advice.

thanks again.

1. If you don't know the answer to where she got her money from, you are in very dangerous situation, my friend. Better ask her this question soon and post her reply here so that the experienced brudders can analyze for you. Some uni gals got sugar daddies. Not to say that you can have a r/s with a gal that has a sugar daddy, because the gal may really love you and is only using her sugar daddy for money, but you have to be able to handle the whole hairy situation.

2. To save h/p costs, why don't use Skype (www.skype.com). Skype voice quality is quite good even on 56K modem connection. Or get a Starhub subscription that lets you call 018 to Thailand for free.

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

So factor in all these costs,
700baht for transport
800baht for cheonging clubs
8600baht for roof and amenities (Which i feel more)
1000baht eat restuarant
Plus her living expenses eg food. Lets say one day spend 50baht on meals, 1 month also 1500baht
SC

Good analysis Mr CSI! Actually.... simply just base on the rent of apartment, can tell this girl not that simple already.... no student will stay in a 8,000THB rent per month apartment unless parents very rich. Even my quite well to do, driving brand new Honda Jazz young lady colleague stays in a 3,500THB only apartment...... fyi, 8,000THB is some fresh graduate's monthly salary... i'll say averagely for fresh grad is around 8,000THB to 12,000THB...
Somemore he says she goes to gym? hehe.. so high-so... some gym membership at least 2,000THB per month.

[OceanEleven]

Originally Posted by Cat Man

you mean hair styling school? yah, got some of those in BKK. famous one is Grace Siam at Petchaburi Soi 13. enrolling is 20K upwards, depending on the package (life member, full course, topic-specific course), plus buy stuffs like scissors and combs, dummy head, etc. can add up to more than the 60K you mentioned. Hairstyling is usually WL's choice of 2nd career. many ex-WL are students at such schools. My wife is a Grace Siam graduate, kekeke.

Bro, please advise the full course fees and any other hidden cost (eg. materials purchasing) for the complete course of Grace Siam. Thanks.

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by Cat Man

Hairstyling is usually WL's choice of 2nd career. many ex-WL are students at such schools. My wife is a Grace Siam graduate, kekeke.

hehehe hen duay kup khun krup! Alot of WL will try hair styling when they going up the shore... hehehe... but then.... hair stylist in Thailand don't make alot of money leh..... somemore u think its a good idea for her to hang out with all the ex-WLs?

[bkkguy]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

1. Since her mother has passed away, she might be doing the role of giving her love for her brother for her mother as well. So did you ask her for her brother's plans to come bkk? Extra mouth to feed too especiually if he is coming to study.

2. Let's say the civic is fully paid by the father, the costs will come from petrol and some misc of maintaining a car. One month petrol also need around 400-500baht if she don't really drive, thats about 20+ litres of petrol. So plus her other transport costs also comes up to extra 300.

3. 1 clubbing night, lets say 2 rounds. 1 heineken and 1 Long Island, come up to about 200baht at least. 1 month 4 times also abt 800baht. will hit more than 1K baht.

4. This part impt. Why 1 person need to stay in a 8K apt when she is not working? In pattanakarn, this kind of price, should be in the area near King's Hotel right? Must ask bkkguy cos last time he stay in pattanakarn. Pay water about 2-300baht. If dun use aircon, roughly around 300baht for electricity if cheap. But then if apt rates, normally will hit 500baht at least.

6. Don't let the chemistry blind you in your judgement.

7. Eat restaurant let's say once a week and even if pay dutch, also come to 1K baht a month.

So factor in all these costs,
700baht for transport
800baht for cheonging clubs
8600baht for roof and amenities (Which i feel more)
1000baht eat restuarant
Plus her living expenses eg food. Lets say one day spend 50baht on meals, 1 month also 1500baht

Total=12600baht. Bear in mind all my costs is the minimum estimate and in any case, you should standby an extra 3-5K baht extra in the estimate
Not forgetting her school fees,

So u make ur own judgement, from here. Until you don't know where her source of money comes from, better don't go head in all the way.

SC

Good analyst ! I think nobody here can do a better job than you.
I only stay at a 5k/month rental apt last time.(poor guy)
If she can afford a 8k/month apt, confirm got suger daddy around.
Since her mum had passed away, most likely her dad will have
a second wife by now.

[LengKia]

Originally Posted by sg69

she told me her brother will come over bangkok when she graduates and find a job. from our conversations, she sounds like a sensible person who knows how to spend her $. she even asked me to cut down on my hp conversations with her as it is expensive. she just open an email a/c because of me and will go to her friend's plc to check her mail so i can save $. she doesn't have a pc at home. wish i strike 4d 2molo and buy her 1. brudder, i m losing control again. sigh....i find it very difficult to control my feelings for her. imagine, so short a period and we didn't have physical contact and i am feeling this way. i find myself not being sensible but i cant help it. hope i learn more abt her and feedback to brudders here for more advice.

thanks again.

bro pl do not feel offended. sometimes heaven just want to play a joke on us.
if cannot control better stay away from the girl. U will suffer in the long run.
I also scare to fall in love with thai WL. can be mental torture as well. better take care

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

Good analyst ! I think nobody here can do a better job than you.
I only stay at a 5k/month rental apt last time.(poor guy)
If she can afford a 8k/month apt, confirm got suger daddy around.
Since her mum had passed away, most likely her dad will have
a second wife by now.

Your 5K at your time is quite big liao leh. I stay only 3800baht per month at my time(poorer guy). Joking hor.

Jokes aside though the rental on my apt is a fact

Some rich thais do play this "mistress" game where they sponsor the girl's studies, give her an allowance, thats why some Uni girls can afford the hi-life and yet no need to work. This rich thais do not want any emotional attachment as they might already have a family and also due to their reputable status.
Some girls have multiple sponsors too.

So until sg69 can know where her money comes from, then the very likely conclusion is she got sponsor.

But then it isn't a very bad thing to be sponsored. If sg69 really love her, then he will have to take over that sponsor's role.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by singrakthai

hehehe hen duay kup khun krup! Alot of WL will try hair styling when they going up the shore... hehehe... but then.... hair stylist in Thailand don't make alot of money leh..... somemore u think its a good idea for her to hang out with all the ex-WLs?

Yes, a lot of WL after they ROD, and go up shore, most will choose either hair styling, or maybe try out by opening a retail shop doing fashion.
Good also they go up shore.

But then I ever seen before a Hair Salon Owner come back to singapore and work as FL for few weeks as she had money problems.

So the moral is when the going gets tough, going back to the flesh trade is still the easy way out.

So why do I emphasise on 24/7 when the WL ROD? So that the man who has a good job can always constantly inculcate the right values into her mind, isolate her with her WL friends, "whack" her mind constantly.
Some say that 24/7 will mean putting her on a tight rein and its like slavery. But imagine if you are not around, the "ones" inculcating the right values will be her WL friends. You think the WLs will teach a girl how to do business?
You think the WL will teach a girl how to be successful in life. For christ's sake, these WL will only teach other girls how to open leg and earn more money. They have no other alternative to earn more money, thus they only know of this solution.

That's why what CatMan says is right. When you are not in love with a WL, don't go for it. When you are in love, stop it. Unless you can sacrifice and uproot everything that you previously have and be with her.

Talk about sacrifice, everyone can talk and talk, When Doing it is a different thing!

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by sg69

thanks brudder siamcutey for your deductions. you are really experience and frank abt your observations. thank you again. i need someone to control my feelings. my friends are not help but just say i am being crazy. what you say about her expenses, i calculated is about there and probably more but i still dunno how to ask her where she gets her $. I still cant figure out how to ask her. my feelings for grow stronger with each passing day and conversations and messages with her. I think my hp bills gonna burst.

she told me her brother will come over bangkok when she graduates and find a job. from our conversations, she sounds like a sensible person who knows how to spend her $. she even asked me to cut down on my hp conversations with her as it is expensive. she just open an email a/c because of me and will go to her friend's plc to check her mail so i can save $. she doesn't have a pc at home. wish i strike 4d 2molo and buy her 1. brudder, i m losing control again. sigh....i find it very difficult to control my feelings for her. imagine, so short a period and we didn't have physical contact and i am feeling this way. i find myself not being sensible but i cant help it. hope i learn more abt her and feedback to brudders here for more advice.
thanks again.

Go get 1 starhub sim card and use 018 to call thailand. Don't sign 2 year contract ok. Sim card activation only $35

Ask her this questions on your next call.

1. Wah singapore petrol damn expensive, pump petrol so ex, how much is the petrol in thailand? How much you normally pump your petrol for your civic?

Then after that move on to the topic on Uni studies
2. Say your brother or cousin want go study Uni liao and the fees super expensive. Ask her how much is ABAC's school fees in thailand? Then ask her how much is her school fees.

3.
1. Do you have enough to spend?
U are not working and how much do you spend per month?
I can see you need quite a sum of money. I see you like dat, Na Song Sarn.

Then see her replies. Bear in mind, never at one time say you want to give her how much. My questions only want to prompt her for where her money comes from but never say want to give her money.

U know your girl better so in order to know her everything, u have to find out by hook or by crook where her money comes from. Any other issues is secondary
For you, you take it as a no-strings attachment. Whenever you go over and see her, depending if you go thailand and cheong previously, factor your cheonging costs and the amount you save, just give it to this girl lor. Like this will make u feel better.

SC

[Cat Man]

Originally Posted by singrakthai

hehehe hen duay kup khun krup! Alot of WL will try hair styling when they going up the shore... hehehe... but then.... hair stylist in Thailand don't make alot of money leh..... somemore u think its a good idea for her to hang out with all the ex-WLs?

No lah, our intention is for her to open her own salon. Some more now we quite stable already. Thankfully, those "I'll go back to the profession" days are over.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by Cat Man

No lah, our intention is for her to open her own salon. Some more now we quite stable already. Thankfully, those "I'll go back to the profession" days are over.

Open 1 salon, give her a few kids to take care too. And don't employ too many workers. Because people is like that, when too much time on hand, they spend the time to think something else and mind wanders off.

So make them as busy as possible.

SC

[Cat Man]

SC is right about 24/7 supervision, that's why I'm in LOS mah! To "brainwash" an ex-WL not easy. I weaned my wife off TV soap opera and got her to have a reading habit. Then I buy all those inspirational self-help books for her to read to get her to have positive outlook on life. Also get her to read about subjects like history and science. Then try to get her to mix with some non WL thai gals. Basically, an entire re-education program. It's like rehabilitating a drug addict, or those deprogramming for cult members. It is see beh siong! I went through depression like I have never felt before and cried like I never cried before in the early days when she always threaten to go back to the profession. But I presevered, and am now reaping the rewards. Now she is a very good wife and mother-to-be.

Yah, bro SC, people who talk and talk won't know the meaning of SACRIFICE until they try to convert a WL into a wife.

Sometimes I pity those WL who earn so much money and lose it all to high living, spending on guys or gambling. Sometimes I think about setting up a "halfway house" for these WL who want to come ashore and teach them about how to invest their money, how to do business, etc. But then I give up the idea when I realize I'm being an idealist. To convert one WL in my life is enough for me. I think I earn enough karma points for this life already.