Batam Info Thread

[nono1973]

Originally Posted by ds88

It's onion. In Tagalog then is garlic.

Thank you for translating.

i dont eat Onions or Garlic on its own. I take ginger tea tho,but only in small quantity.

Originally Posted by pay99

well say.......at 1st i also want say someting.but thinking no point......i know myself who is the troublemakers can liao......cheap or ex.each got diff view.somethime free i also dont want...........sometime will say free 1 what else you want.....

Sincerely thank you for doing it right.

Originally Posted by FreshJives

i will just have WTM at nearby coffeeshop, stall name is bai long in chinesei， cost 18k..

Huh? The same Bai Long wan tan mee from Penuin wet market?

Originally Posted by FreshJives

tried 2 massageshops，one is good one massage and the other is nice massage which is just opp hotel 18..dun like good one...reasons r 5 of us go and all din opt for special and all ended between 35 to 45 mins...my worst massage in batam..piano type..sob, always first qn ask where u from, carrot???..hehe, and not even 5 mins, ask want bonking 500k..

Solution : Ask for 100k HJ and 200k FJ (no harm opening my mouth even if i may not get it). This kind of massage place is where you can easily bargain for that kind of price. Bring a "take it or leave it" attitude along,hehehe...but be nice tho (i am talking about Good One). Regardless of how high a massage girl quoted me,whether SYT or non-SYT,my base price is always 100k hj,200k fj. I always tell the girls,Princess,Beautiful Massage,Hallo Kitty and the others were charging 100k HJ and 200k FJ...blah blah blah...hehehe...my excuse of course."i 1st time go Batam ma,my friend tells me....blah blah blah...",hehehe...

Good service? I tip another 50k or 60k (50k tip + 10k drinks). No good service,meaning i wont RTF,then what for tip extra to leave an "i am a carrot impression" to the girls telling the girls indirectly that providing no good service also can have tips? Hehehe...if service good,i tip extra 50k to try to leave an "i shall return" impression to the girls.

Originally Posted by FreshJives

next went to nice massge, ask to send one with good skill, never bother to see album..ended up massage was good for the whole 45 mins..before GQ..hehe
my partition room aircon is strong though is sharing (standard room at 70k per hr) wooden door..clean and atmosphere quite good...scare of those run down and many mosquito..

Its one of the branches of A5 Massage. Did you check out the lucky draw box? Got a lot of people taking part in their Lucky Draw? Hehehe...1st price is one motorbike,hehehe...

I think this place is still pretty new,and they were trying to build up business for it now as previous boss of that ex massage shop didnt really do a good job. Go now while it is still quietly less known and that they moved their better service girls from the other 2 branches there to build a more stable customer base. After they were able to stabilize their regular flow of customers, service standard will surely drop and needless to say,price will surely increase.

I notice this is how Batam runs their massage service industry. Business good,price increase and service standard drops. Business no good,they have lots of promotion trying to catch the customers. Applies the same for special service pricing too.

Just speaking from experience.

[nitecrawllerr]

Originally Posted by patpat

Hi, sorry to post this unrelated question, just want to hear from people out there .
my neighbor just came back from batam. becos of the hotel poor maintenance of their some out door requirements. his kid leg was hurt.
do you think is reason to ask the hotel to compensate meal, at least a decent meal(lunch) as they were delay on their ferry back as the kid need some medicate attention in the local hospital?

OMG how much can a decent meal cost u?

Sorry for being blunt, u or rather your neighbour really behave like a typical sillyporean. No wonder at the other sister forum so many forummers dont wish to be near sinkies aka sillyporeans.

[S.B.Y.1]

Originally Posted by nitecrawllerr

or rather your neighbour really behave like a typical sillyporean. .... dont wish to be near sinkies aka sillyporeans.

Don't forget STINKaporean

Mas patpat care to share which hotel it is ?

Singaporeans tend to act a step above others when they are in Asean contries but are meek when they are in bule land.

Indonesians are generally a step backwards in many ways but they are not stupid in any sense. So don't be on your high
horses (arguing and demanding) when dealing with them cos hostility is 2nd nature to them.

Earlier in this thread Pak wrote that Pak ever witnessed an Indonesian thief got burnt alive by the villagers.

Remember you may have a good police governance in Singapore and offices like C.A.S.E but in Indonesia foreigners are
like an ATM for them and complains normally goes to deaf ears.

Word of advis Be mindful to behave and act humble in a foreign land.(wherever it may be)

[micmac888]

Originally Posted by MiG27

Nice.........

Originally Posted by Black Page

Thank you for this series of posts, with photos and details.

No sweat ~~ I share non-sexual FRs is for (1) the more regular visitors who perhaps seek different options in their usual routine visits, yet dun really know where/how/why, and (2) that Batam is more than "that" :

Too often, SG people give me that look when they know I primarily live in Batam. And then, (*shake head*), comes those ignorant, unintentional-autoresponses : "batam nothing to offer leh...", "err.. batam is basically finding ceweks lor", the likes.

[micmac888]

Originally Posted by S.B.Y.1

Indonesians are generally a step backwards in many ways but they are not stupid in any sense.

In total agreement. They take a step backwards only to observe more, and most definitely not stupid. It's never a sign of meekness or retreat.

Originally Posted by S.B.Y.1

Word of advice, Be mindful to behave and act humble in a foreign land.(wherever it may be)

The fact that there are so many above reminders in this thread just goes to show how conceited and arrogant SG people are. It is disappointing.

In the locals' (both chinese and non-chinese) minds. The bule is not generally welcomed in their hearts, next... is ... Sporeans. And truth be told, it took some time for them to observe and chat with me to conclude that I am "not typical Sporean" ** . And once the locals warmed up to me - they share their thoughts about Sporeans. Always often I would retort politely to say that Sporeans are genuinely ignorant, due to only experiencing one-dimensional lifestyle in SG, and as a result cause discomfort unintentionally to foreign culture. And that they (locals) would behave like that too if they were living in a country such as SG.


** "Typical Sporean" meaning :

1. Talk like a superior species, talk like "know-it-all".
2. Cocky
3. Dress in singlets and kaki shorts during their religious holidays
4. Outright stingy (pretext of going for the wallet but "too slow", do not insist to pay even after other party has paid for a few times).


Have my fair share of hosting SG friends in Batam - intro to locals and felt completely, utterly, irrevocably embarrassed by their genuinely-ignorant mannerisms and behaviour.


So please do Singapore a huge favour by reminding your friends/acquaintances to heed S.B.Y.1/NewYorker/Nono/others' advice below when heading to Batam for *whatsoever* reason :

Originally Posted by S.B.Y.1

Word of advice, Be mindful to behave and act humble in a foreign land.(wherever it may be)

[nono1973]

Originally Posted by iicycold

Bro nono,u r right on one thg u said. Seat back ,relax & enjoy the shw. Tat way i will be able to see MORE thgs MORE clearly.

I have chosen not to reply to your previous other 2 questions.

Most people will be able to see things better and clearer by standing out of a situation instead of being in it.

Originally Posted by iicycold

I rest my case here after tis ,as it FINALLY make sense tat troublemakers in tis thread has zero credibility.

You can search for all post of ANY particular member of the forum using the guide below :

https://sbfsg.agency/showpost.p...ostcount=29580

...to see their credibility on a particular subject/thread. Simply click on a respective member of the forum in the thread and click on "Find all posts by xxxxxxxx" to see what they have been posting and if they are making quality posts.

This is what i often do.

Originally Posted by Xhuuya

@nono : yes Bawang mean Garlic, they only crash the garlic without peeling it and mix onto the chicken and marinate em , after that they fried em together.

So,it means Garlic. Thank you for helping to translate.

Originally Posted by Lucifer84

Good or bad, cheap or expensive is really upto individual preferences when it comes to food. You might find it too sweet and I might think it's bitter, just be thankful when people are willing to share. No reason to start a fight here, it only make others hesitate to recommend anything in future. After all who would like to share out of good will and then get scolded.

Always try to read things from all angles of view w/o getting involved in any particular argument (especially a negative one).

Good or bad,its everyone's fair choice to share. And its good to share both the good and bad in order to get a balance since every person is different (man's meat and poison theory). Once one read and able to understand enough,he/she will be able to tell which is real,which is not. Readers will then have to take into consideration the more credible person's sharing the same thing over a less credible person. Then again,the most important part is, the service/product rendered MUST fit comfortably for the "reader" himself. Other person's point of comfortability to the service of a place is always subjective during reading.

In my personal perspective,an ALL GOOD or an ALL BAD FR on a place is likely not-so-real. Not-so-real stated here is not define as fake. If i read someone saying a place is all bad or all good,i have the tendency to be wary 1st. There is no best or worst,just the most suitable for oneself.

In my 2 Batam trips ago,i brought a group of bros in this forum to my definition of a BETTER massage place and to my definition of another Not-So-Good massage place. End up most of them finds that the Not-So-Good massage place were better than my BETTER define massage place. I also bring many bros in this forum to eat the 5 popular Mee/Noodle Shops in Batam,some like Momo better,some like Instar better,some like Meximo pub one better,some prefers Bai Long. Even Bei Long has their own fans too,hehehe...

Go with the theory of One man's meat can be another man's poison,surely wont go too wrong,hehehe...

PS : Your post reminds me that Good One massage parlour do not necessary means it is definitely a Good One. NICE massage parlour may also not be necessary "Nice" for everyone..lol.

[Black Page]

Originally Posted by micmac888

In the locals' (both chinese and non-chinese) minds. The bule is not generally welcomed in their hearts, next... is ... Sporeans. :

This is only partially true.

Just 5 years ago, it was enough to show my bule face to get big smiles and hand shakes everywhere I went in Batam, being it a mall or a pub or a disco.
Now, people is much more used to see bule all around, because the expat population increased significantly, and the "exotic face" effect has no power anymore. I must pass the first wall first, introduce myself, speak a while to lower barriers and proceed to the next step. Just smiling in the street is not enough anymore to get a new friend.

Even after this remark, I must say that in almost all environments I experienced a general positive bias of local people, both women and men, towards bule! I never experienced some hostile or even cold feeling. People is always kind and warm with me. This is what I like above all in Batam: the positive attitude of people (and this further motivates me to not disappoint anyone).

For what reasons are bule welcome? Certainly two above all:
1) Bule are in general not stingy, offer drinks liberally, and are known as "generous", not only with ladies but also with ojek, taxi, waiters, etc. This is in striking contrast to the typical Singaporean or Malaysian. If a price is 198rm (guess where?), the Singaporean will demand the 2rm change back, while a Western tourist will feel ashamed to accept it. ("money is the most powerful aphrodisiac", but a big door opener also in other contexts)
2) Girls like the "exotic" face and nose of bule, exactly as I literally die for the flat nose and big eyes of Indo girls.
Does this warm attitude and kindness actually hide some repulsion in their hearts? I don't believe so, at least with 90% of people I have befriended in Batam.

But there is still one important remark to make. The vast majority of bule we see in Batam is frankly not a good company: always drunk, noisy, covered by tattoo, spending hours, beer after beer, in pubs of kampung bule, dressed very lousy with cargo shorts even at night, even on a date with a girl who dressed up nicely. This well explains the initial antipathy that many locals may feel for the average bule in Batam. And that is where I focus my attention when I meet a girl: show I am not that kind of bule (I am not cheating: the only pub where I go is No Name).

In general, I'd say that in a foreign land more important than "being humble" is having RESPECT. Respect everyone, stay within limits, and everyone will respect you.

[micmac888]

Originally Posted by Black Page

. not that kind of bule..

We are in agreement actually if u read carefully my post and infer

Am answering quickly before some (idiots) fan the flames of a potential racial war here.

[Black Page]

Originally Posted by micmac888

We are in agreement actually if u read carefully my post and infer
Am answering quickly before some (idiots) fan the flames of a potential racial war here.

OMG I hope not!
Happy new year my friend.

[S.B.Y.1]

Originally Posted by micmac888

Am answering quickly before some (idiots) fan the flames of a potential racial war here.

For you Mas micmac88

[iicycold]

Originally Posted by nono1973

Many Sillyporean has the impression that the residents in Batam were very VERY poor people,hehehe... They forgot when they talk about Batam locals,they were in fact talking about those who were born and grew up there (batam),not those that came from other Indonesia's provinces or other countries. I have never once doubt Batam resident's earning and spending power.

A no.of ppl who resides in btm i knw has been to SG quite a few times. They never reli like sg except to do their business there.

Originally Posted by nono1973

I still prefer my S$0.50 apple,hehehe...

Sometime 50ct apple will be better than other apples. I'm beginning to learn tat.

Originally Posted by nono1973

Thats what i constantly remind bros who use my Beginner's Guide to navigate Batam.

1.Be humble (talk nicely w/o raising their volume)

2. Be nice (but not stupid) and friendly (smile).

3. Do not hold a high expectation (drop expectation by at least 50% for 1st timer)

4. Always bargain the price down (turning down the 1st 2 quoted price if possible)

I am a Sillyporean and i know many not-so-good etiquette most Sillyporean have during their travels. i know it would be near impossible to one day be able to hear that majority Sillyporean will be taken as being nice humble people in this lifetime but the least i could do is i could let people who interact with me in Batam knows i as one individual Sillyporean is not a no good lousy negative person. i start with myself 1st.

While i seating back & relaxing ,all of a sudden i hears a sheep says,...Meh-eh-eh!

& u knw i wasn't refering to u.

Enjoy the show!

[MovingTarget]

Originally Posted by micmac888

No sweat ~~ I share non-sexual FRs is for (1) the more regular visitors who perhaps seek different options in their usual routine visits, yet dun really know where/how/why, and (2) that Batam is more than "that"

Thank you. You have just shared information that I once ask my unreliable driver on what is it at the southern tip of Batam.

[iicycold]

Originally Posted by longlong135

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[nono1973]

Originally Posted by SibeiNew

FR on my first virgin trip 2D1N with a buddy.

Did spent some time reading on this particular thread before going down and thanks to all the contributors here especially bro nono with his great knowledge of Batam , made our first trip pretty smooth.

Sincerely thank you for sharing.

Originally Posted by SibeiNew

After putting our stuff we proceed to lobby and starts our adventure , hotel guard got us a driver to bring us to our first destination(Goldbird/Sedona) , we did not know how to quote as both of us didn't know how to speak Bahasa Indo and we had no data sim with us to use google translate after some pointing and broken english communication it's at 50k , I did try to negotiate but it's not going to work since it's raining heavily and he's the only driver available at that time.

Hmm...Hotel 89. Thanks for sharing.

Originally Posted by SibeiNew

Told driver to wait for us once we reached goldbird as the rain was pretty heavy. Did some google image earlier and seen some difference to the current , apparently the "goldbird" name wasn't there anymore , barge into the wooden door to see what kind of surprises we are going to see in there. We are greeted by the Teochew Papi wearing glasses , there were about 8-12 girls and more still doing their hair at the 2nd room. Quality of the girls was quite bad , only 1 SYT that barely passed the mark at a million. My buddy passed and I decided to try experiencing negotiating with a OKT in Batam for the first time lol.

Its hard to win against the Gold Bird Chinese Papi when it comes to bargaining if you bring along a taxi driver.

Originally Posted by SibeiNew

The talks only lasted about 4-5mins and you bet it fails , Papi also mentioned more and more SG guys started doing the same stuffs. Also he has given the looks that I'm definitely not being able to talk him out of it hence he stays firm then I looked at the girl once more , not smiling , seems uninterested then I decided not to waste much of my buddy's time and move on.

One taboo to me regarding bargaining is,if one has no interest (or very little interest) in a "product",do not attempt to bargain down 1st. Just ask the price and walk away. Reason is if you bargain w/o intention to take the "product",in the event you return later,high chance you may likely be quoted an even higher price for the same "product" or they will be in even more stubborn on not bringing the price down further from the current quoted (when you return). And if one returns and pays the "losing" price to the OKT later,the girls (aka "product" in this instance) taken dont look very "up" to such customer/s becos you already left a not-so-good impression to start off with.

Meaning if your intention is to walk around 1st and has no or little interest with a girl,dont bargain 1st. Bookmark them instead and come back later.

I have a good Batam buddy who has this above-shared experience. Most of us who are experienced during then including myself knows his girl that night is NOT going to be "good" becos he went to the same joint on the same day to bargain in both time and lost both time,yet still took the girl on the 3rd visit. The girl even suan him in Bahasa while we were still in the joint which he didnt understand but was later translated to him by another good friend of ours who heard it and understand the language she speaks.

Originally Posted by SibeiNew

Since the rain is still ongoing , we had our first "cheap" meal at the coffeeshop opposite goldbird. Ordered 2 plates of fried rice and 2 teh Os from the chinese speaking uncle on the right. Total dmg 70k + 17k Cig for driver. Board the MPV and told the driver "New berry" and he returns with a ok.(so I get the idea he should know where is all the joints) but still we didn't discussed anything about the price for booking him the whole day. (gave him 400k at the end of the day and he's happy with it)

1st time to Batam? Keep his number for your next trip's bargaining chips. You may likely be able to bring the 400k further down.

Originally Posted by SibeiNew

Reached New Berry and we were ushered in by Papi Ah-Ming , also about 10-12 girls. We got the OKT to recommend us as we didn't want to spent time browsing joints already , getting late and itching for massage. So we took 2 decent looking ones at 1m each as OKT told us the 1.2-1.5m SSYTS tends to give problems , we will have to take risk.

Did you take any girls from New Berry? Oops! I think you did...sorry.

Originally Posted by SibeiNew

Next stop we went to Altalanta for Spa package , vip 370k per pax excluding specials. That's when I decide I should succeed in bargaining at least once lol and so I did got myself a 100k HJ by my pissed off masseur named Aulia. I rejected all her offers from 500k downwards and finally she couldn't hold her cool anymore after 200k. From smiling face become black plus mumbling curses at me , although I got 1 but I don't feel good being cursed at. She gave in at the very end but I tipped her 150k after deed. (she's on PMS , I only get to roam top)

Brother! You win liao lor...1st time go Batam,1st time go Altalanta Spa,you BROKE the ENTIRE thread's record being a 1st timer going to Batam who could get a 100k HJ from one of the top tier massage place,Altalanta Spa.

I know Altalanta Spa is possible to get 100k hj and it has been done before,but you 1st timer. Really really remarkable tho i know you dont like being cursed at. Next time you will be able to test-try getting 100k HJ w/o being cursed at,hehehe...

I must say i really takes my hats off on you in this one.

Originally Posted by SibeiNew

Overall it was a great experience for me and my buddy , both of the New Berry girls were really OWE as promised by OKT , Mine was especially weird as she's totally in her own world kind , I wonder if she's on Obat lol. Did not have to worry much about her even without a safebox as she's only glued to having sex and surfing her facebook. Burned 4 rounds that night , could have more from her but I'm already done emptying my tank. Tipped her 200k and send her off at 9.30am next day.

Hehehehe...i think i might know which girl you took. There was 2 such girls in New Berry and another 2 i knew in another 2 booking joints that seems mentally "not very right". No,these girls were not on drugs. She will just keep laughing out of nothing and talks to herself most of the time. Dont be too bothered by it. Simple-minded girl who just wish to do her job well as requested by her customers. And there is no need to share their names here,i have bad memories so i dont remember their names.

You didnt mention the price,but she should either cost 1mil or 1.2 mil. One would allows customer to roam her breast,the other one dont (sensitives)...hehehe...both were SYT category.

Originally Posted by SibeiNew

Total damage for our 2D1N is about 350 SGD each , big billshocked on our food and beers at Windsor foodcourt but still a good experience trip for me as the overnight was good.

Whats the bill at Windsor? And with how many heads taking the meal? With or w/o taxi drivers?

Sincerely thank you for sharing. Your FR is very very interesting indeed,hehehe...i was writing my whole year 2015 Batam summary while replying to you and your FR happens to bring back those good memories for me.

Cheers!

[sgnorth]

Any more bros in Batam between 1-3 Jan? Staying at Mercure