Long Distance Tirak Relationship - Myth or Reality

[bkkguy]

After so long..... how come these tirak stories thread no ending one???

Try to write less and do more.

Proof us wrong by your actions and not 'words'.

End result is the most important part and not the beginning stage of a

relationship.

From what i see and read in this thread, your problems are far from over.

More 'good years' to come- quote from our Ex PM GOH

Hope you get what i mean.

BTW, don't anyhow point your arrow at me hor.

I've no time to give long reply back.

Just bought 2 shophouses near my house and now busy setting up my very

own commercial laundry business for my thai wife to run.

My job is to sit down and collect money.

In thailand, you must sometimes acts a bit 'blur' and smart in order to survive

here.

[free]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

After so long..... how come these tirak stories thread no ending one???

Try to write less and do more.
Proof us wrong by your actions and not 'words'.
End result is the most important part and not the beginning stage of a
relationship.
From what i see and read in this thread, your problems are far from over.
More 'good years' to come- quote from our Ex PM GOH
Hope you get what i mean.
BTW, don't anyhow point your arrow at me hor.
I've no time to give long reply back.
Just bought 2 shophouses near my house and now busy setting up my very own commercial laundry business for my thai wife to run.
My job is to sit down and collect money.
In thailand, you must sometimes acts a bit 'blur' and smart in order to survive here.

With this post, perhaps u have finally stated your true position & it does not seemed to be to help those who are on a LDTR journey, but to tell the world u are living in LOS with your thai family, and in economic terms, seen as successful. That is good for you, but that is irrelevant in this thread.

The main purpose of this read is to share with & learn from others who are on parallel paths, experiences, lessons pertaining to how how we can develop the r/s and built it up for a lasting family life together. People with experiences/success who are not in contempt about the very path they are taken are invited to contribute that we may learn. The purpose is far higher than posting some FRs on who one had cheonged today. If anything, cheonging is something we consciously try to avoid, though most of us will give in to temptations once in a blue moon. I know I am not alone, for there are real flesh and blood fellow pilgrims on this journey. That we are actively there for each other, to love, to encourage and to "whack" (if needed) is living proof that this small but fiercely determined lot is alive and kicking, even growing.

So what have we learn from u since? Have you shared about yr journey - the joys you knew and how you felt, the mistakes u have made & how u rescind them, the failures you had experienced and how u recovered and of course the success you enjoy & how you got there? Not a little bit.

For someone who post about his successes like you just did above, your very attitude towards a r/s with a Thai lady appalls me. Would you not be magnanimous enuf to share your personal journey with the "younger" ones like us, because you have already tasted the fruits and you want others to experience similar joys? If you are given the chance to repeat what you had done all over again, would you still walk the same path (or at least same direction) and marry this same Thai woman you now call your wife? And raise this family you now have? Your honest answer, I am sure would shed some light on your current attitude towards the thought of having a love relationship with a Thai woman & perhaps, on marrying one.

Success you have had, w/o a shadow of doubt. But I can't help feeling that your measure of it is only the economic yardstick. I hope I am wrong, I really do, for I believe there is much more to love & life than just sitting back and let others work, that one may collect money. But then, to each his own.

The Long Distance Tirak Relationship is a process, taking on new shapes and direction as it progresses, perhaps taking stops (or even u-turns) here and there occasionally. What the ending is to be, is defined by the pilgrim and his partner themselves, not any other bystander. Whatever I tell my yougner brothers on this journey, I always have made it clear - my advice is always from afar, cos I am not the one walking their personal journey. I share my joys and my failures with them, and I seek solace from them when I hit failures and disappointments. Never will I judge them on their journeys for they are not mine.

Like all Boy-Ger Relationships. some LDTRs dun take off, or fell off halfway, others moved thru several phases and some finally morphed into new journey called "Post-Marriage" (or its equivalent - Post-Cohabitation). Perhaps you are one of the lucky ones who never had to struggle thru the LDTR phase, and u met this wonderful ger and both did not have to prepare for the future (usually economically). Hey presto, next thing u know, u are are married couple & lived life happily in LOS ever after. I salute you if that was how it happened. U got to be the luckiest guy on earth.

BTW, what makes u think I am not doing anything or at least not much? I doubt you know much of what I do or not do, cos we dun ever know each other! If I were to write all that she and I had done for and with each other, I wouldn't have time to do anything else! Let alone prepare for the next lap.

Finally, Bros who are serious about their r/s with their TGs are welcome to join us, but only if your intention is to build up ur r/s with the one u love and are prepared to be told where u had gone wrong, if we have enough reasons to feel that something was wrong. If you only want to hear goodies even when things had gone wrong, u will not hear it from this group of TG Lovers. But we tell it with love and compassion, not smirk or spite. We also are trying to learn the thai language for effective communication with the TG and her loved ones. If you expect to see us discussing in depth and sharing FRs about who is the hottest WL/FL u will be very disappointed, if not even turned away. That need is already best met by this forum. If anything, we will not be cheonging together like it was THE thing to do. For those who had to release themselves for obvious reasons (distance apart), we understand & accept for it is NOT done with gusto and pride. Rather it is with a kind of a regret that there is no better way. If anyone would like to join this grp of men, pm me. But know that you will be "screened", attitude-wise.

Perhaps this group a practical reflection of walking this LDTR in flesh and blood terms, not just in a cyberspace thread

can someone summarise what's posted above?

[bkkguy]

Originally Posted by free

With this post, perhaps u have finally stated your true position & it does not seemed to be to help those who are on a LDTR journey, but to tell the world u are living in LOS with your thai family, and in economic terms, seen as successful. That is good for you, but that is irrelevant in this thread.

The main purpose of this read is to share with & learn from others who are on parallel paths, experiences, lessons pertaining to how how we can develop the r/s and built it up for a lasting family life together. People with experiences/success who are not in contempt about the very path they are taken are invited to contribute that we may learn. The purpose is far higher than posting some FRs on who one had cheonged today. If anything, cheonging is something we consciously try to avoid, though most of us will give in to temptations once in a blue moon. I know I am not alone, for there are real flesh and blood fellow pilgrims on this journey. That we are actively there for each other, to love, to encourage and to "whack" (if needed) is living proof that this small but fiercely determined lot is alive and kicking, even growing.

So what have we learn from u since? Have you shared about yr journey - the joys you knew and how you felt, the mistakes u have made & how u rescind them, the failures you had experienced and how u recovered and of course the success you enjoy & how you got there? Not a little bit.

For someone who post about his successes like you just did above, your very attitude towards a r/s with a Thai lady appalls me. Would you not be magnanimous enuf to share your personal journey with the "younger" ones like us, because you have already tasted the fruits and you want others to experience similar joys? If you are given the chance to repeat what you had done all over again, would you still walk the same path (or at least same direction) and marry this same Thai woman you now call your wife? And raise this family you now have? Your honest answer, I am sure would shed some light on your current attitude towards the thought of having a love relationship with a Thai woman & perhaps, on marrying one.

Success you have had, w/o a shadow of doubt. But I can't help feeling that your measure of it is only the economic yardstick. I hope I am wrong, I really do, for I believe there is much more to love & life than just sitting back and let others work, that one may collect money. But then, to each his own.

The Long Distance Tirak Relationship is a process, taking on new shapes and direction as it progresses, perhaps taking stops (or even u-turns) here and there occasionally. What the ending is to be, is defined by the pilgrim and his partner themselves, not any other bystander. Whatever I tell my yougner brothers on this journey, I always have made it clear - my advice is always from afar, cos I am not the one walking their personal journey. I share my joys and my failures with them, and I seek solace from them when I hit failures and disappointments. Never will I judge them on their journeys for they are not mine.

Like all Boy-Ger Relationships. some LDTRs dun take off, or fell off halfway, others moved thru several phases and some finally morphed into new journey called "Post-Marriage" (or its equivalent - Post-Cohabitation). Perhaps you are one of the lucky ones who never had to struggle thru the LDTR phase, and u met this wonderful ger and both did not have to prepare for the future (usually economically). Hey presto, next thing u know, u are are married couple & lived life happily in LOS ever after. I salute you if that was how it happened. U got to be the luckiest guy on earth.

BTW, what makes u think I am not doing anything or at least not much? I doubt you know much of what I do or not do, cos we dun ever know each other! If I were to write all that she and I had done for and with each other, I wouldn't have time to do anything else! Let alone prepare for the next lap.

Finally, Bros who are serious about their r/s with their TGs are welcome to join us, but only if your intention is to build up ur r/s with the one u love and are prepared to be told where u had gone wrong, if we have enough reasons to feel that something was wrong. If you only want to hear goodies even when things had gone wrong, u will not hear it from this group of TG Lovers. But we tell it with love and compassion, not smirk or spite. We also are trying to learn the thai language for effective communication with the TG and her loved ones. If you expect to see us discussing in depth and sharing FRs about who is the hottest WL/FL u will be very disappointed, if not even turned away. That need is already best met by this forum. If anything, we will not be cheonging together like it was THE thing to do. For those who had to release themselves for obvious reasons (distance apart), we understand & accept for it is NOT done with gusto and pride. Rather it is with a kind of a regret that there is no better way. If anyone would like to join this grp of men, pm me. But know that you will be "screened", attitude-wise.

Perhaps this group a practical reflection of walking this LDTR in flesh and blood terms, not just in a cyberspace thread

Hmm....Are you 'getting personal' with me too? I hope not.
I'm just politely asking you to WRITE less and DO more. That's all.
From your long winded replied, i see that you're repeating the same mistake again.*sigh*

In LOS , i believed many s'poreon bros here had far greater & exciting stories than yours. The problem is : DO YOU LISTEN TO THEM ? No point to ask ppls to give you advice on TGR and the other receiving party like yourself is so ' stubborn' headed.

You want to have a successful life in LOS, you got to LISTEN.
Spend more time in doing than in writing. This will surely do you good.

In thailand, we don't go around boasting/writing our past love story anyhow in the open forum like you. But we do share/help fellow bros on information’s like thai visa, thai PR, ROM in thailand/s'pore, buying LOS property etc... etc......

Besides brag about your personal 'love affairs' with so many tiraks and not forgetting 1 failed marriage and a bad father to your boys.
Seriously!! What have you done/ contributed to help those bros who are seeking information’s here? Try posting more helpful informations about thailand for a change, instead of the USUAL stuffs. I believed many will appreciate your effort for that.

Maybe in real life, you don’t have many friends to talk to. That’s why you are pouring out your love 'feeling' here. I also noticed that when nobody posts anything in this tirak thread, you tend to jump over to 'geyland thread' to start your same old story again. Why like that one???

Btw, why started this 'tirak thread' in Sammy forum in the first place at all. Don't forget that this is after all still a porn forum. Are you sharing thai FL contacts here or what? I'm afraid you maybe sending the wrong message here? Or you have really nowhere else to brag about your personal love stories. That's why you came here.With so many interesting tirak stories of yours, maybe you got some lobangs to share with our bros here. hehe!!

Do you dare to create a similar thread in Sammy boy coffee shop Delphi forum ? Let see what the general public think about your love stories.

Like i said in my earlier posting. I'm NOT so free like you to post love story here everyday.I have many things to do, like taking care of my children which i believe you are less fortunate to have. Maybe you should try harder to be a good father. Don't always think about YOUR own feelings and YOUR own future. Stop fooling around for ONCE and seriously give a thought for YOUR own children back in s'pore.

I fully understand the 'feeling' about a 45 over old man like yourself facing a 20 plus thai girlfriend over here in thailand.Where got time to think about your own children, tio bo.

Happy bonking !!


P/S : Don't bother to reply back cuz i will be out having fun with my children.



Cheers!!

[tirak99]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

From your long winded replied, i see that you're repeating the same mistake again.*sigh*

start your same old story again. Why like that one???

so long winded. wondering whether thai gers love this kinda of man or not.

[free]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

Hmm....Are you 'getting personal' with me too? I hope not.
I'm just politely asking you to WRITE less and DO more.
:
You want to have a successful life in LOS, you got to LISTEN.
Spend more time in doing than in writing. This will surely do you good.

In thailand, we don't go around boasting/writing our past love story anyhow in the open forum like you. But we do share/help fellow bros on information’s like thai visa, thai PR, ROM in thailand/s'pore, buying LOS property etc... etc...... What have you done/ contributed to help those bros who are seeking information’s here? Try posting more helpful informations about thailand for a change, instead of the USUAL stuffs. I believed many will appreciate your effort for that.
:

Frd, u said much more than just the words "Write less & do more". U made several erronous assumptions about situations u dun even know about, did u realise that? Why? Cos u based them on your own paradigms?

You had obviously mixed up some things. You are at a different phase in your life right now. Don't expect those on the LDTR journey to do what you are doing now, cos you are married with your Thai lady and lived with economic success in LOS. What is happening to you now is really not as relevant as what u did or NOT do, while u were getting to where u are today. That would be part of the objectives of this thread.

All those visas & regularatory stuff are certainly important. But discussing them are not not the amongst the objectives of this thread. Besides there are plenty of places in the Net, even in SBF itself where such info are found. www.thaivisa.com is one. If u want a thread that contains everything, perhaps you can start one. What would your thread title be? That would be interesting! I did not meant for this thread to be everything to all people. I only want to discuss if a LDTR can be for real (whether it succeeds in the end or not is not even the objective of the thread) or if it is all a figment of one's own imagination.

It is not for you to decide whether this thread has its place here. That is for the owners of SBF to decide. I started it cos I felt SBF has grown beyond just FL/WL and cheonging. There are enough threads on those, and I have no wish to add another. Perhaps u can go do that?

It is amazing that a few ppl can complain about long winded and boring and still stayed on. For these guys, just bypass this thread cos it is obviously irrelevant to you all!

As for my kids, what do u know about what I had done or not done for them? Again, u made certain assumptions. As u said, yr time is better spend with ur own kids, do act upon it.

If u dun want a public reply, then u dun post publicly, simple. U gave me no choice. BTW, u did not reply to the questions I asked of u. Those answers would have been relevant to this thread, for they could have helped the true pilgrims in this journey.

[bkkguy]

I rest my case or should i say i've given up on you.

Let make our reply: Short and Sharp.

Whoever reply more than 5 lines is a fool.

I bet your itchy hands cannot stop typing.....

[kanasai]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

I rest my case or should i say i've given up on you.

Let make our reply: Short and Sharp.

Whoever reply more than 5 lines is a fool

I bet your itchy hands cannot stop typing.....

haha ...........

[free]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

I rest my case...
Whoever reply more than 5 lines is a fool.

See your own reply here. That makes u a fool, just like you say I am, châi măi?
Anyway up u 5 pts for being so good at "siam" answering my questions, and changing the subject when u like. Takes great discipline to do that, I suppose. But then maybe, u also dun have the answers yourself; perhaps your courtship days were entirely different. Easier or harder, only u know best, since u told nobody here.

U think I was getting personal? No, just responding to what I feel were unjustified comments based on either yr ignorance of my true situation which u knew nothing about) or stereotyping.

Glad u rest yr case, I want to rest mine too. Agreeing to disagree is always a nice thing to do, since we are from 2 diverse worlds.

[xocturnal]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

I rest my case or should i say i've given up on you.

I encourage you to use the "Ignore" function, which is very useful even in Sam's delphi forum. Then we will never have to read what we do not wish to read. To use the "ignore" utility, just click on "User CP" and on the left hand column there is a "buddy/ignore list" link. Click it which will bring up a new window, and fill in the nick that you wish to ignore in the "ignore list" and click on the button "update ignore list". Then you will not have to read any of the posting from that person. Hope this will help. Have 2 on my ignore list and I never want to know what they write.

[bkkguy]

Originally Posted by free

See your own reply here. That makes u a fool, just like you say I am, châi măi?
Anyway up u 5 pts for being so good at "siam" answering my questions, and changing the subject when u like. Takes great discipline to do that, I suppose. But then maybe, u also dun have the answers yourself; perhaps your courtship days were entirely different. Easier or harder, only u know best, since u told nobody here.

U think I was getting personal? No, just responding to what I feel were unjustified comments based on either yr ignorance of my true situation which u knew nothing about) or stereotyping.

Glad u rest yr case, I want to rest mine too. Agreeing to disagree is always a nice thing to do, since we are from 2 diverse worlds.

Aiyo ! You want me to confront your question 1 to 1. Iszit it make me

the 'same type' of person like you. 'WRITE' less and 'DO' more in

Life. Proof all 'critics' wrong by your actions and not words. Till you actually

been there then you come here to boast about your ‘GREAT’ tirak stories.

That's how 'WE' survive in Thailand. (all in 5 lines) See it can be done one.

[bkkguy]

Originally Posted by xocturnal

I encourage you to use the "Ignore" function, which is very useful even in Sam's delphi forum. Then we will never have to read what we do not wish to read. To use the "ignore" utility, just click on "User CP" and on the left hand column there is a "buddy/ignore list" link. Click it which will bring up a new window, and fill in the nick that you wish to ignore in the "ignore list" and click on the button "update ignore list". Then you will not have to read any of the posting from that person. Hope this will help. Have 2 on my ignore list and I never want to know what they write.

Thanks for your tips, bro!

I think I will just do that.

Can't stress myself out for reading all these nuisance stuffs.

Every one of us have better thing to do in life than this.

[Bonker911]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

We do share/help fellow bros on information like Thai visa, Thai PR, ROM in Thailand/S'pore, buying LOS property etc...

Try posting more helpful information about Thailand...

Such information would be welcomed.

To start off, here is a useful guide.

http://www.bia.co.th/002.html
http://www.bia.co.th/024.html
http://www.bia.co.th/011.html

[free]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

Aiyo ! You want me to confront your question 1 to 1. Iszit it make me

the 'same type' of person like you.'WRITE' less and 'DO' more in

Life. Proof all 'critics' wrong by your actions and not words. Till you actually

been there then you come here to boast about your ‘GREAT’ tirak stories.

That's how 'WE' survive in Thailand. (all in 5 lines) See it can be done one.

I am sorry to let you know that all yr 5 lines did nothing to help those of us still walking the LDTR journey - the purpose of this thread. We pilgrims are very much aware that we have NOT arrived, or this thread would be useless. How to live successfully in LOS proper (while very very important), is not as critical as getting even to the poiint where one can make the final decision/take action to go (or get her to come to live in SG) in the 1st place. I fully agree that how to survive in LOS is something that must be looked at (& many info sources available & from a family-oriented perspective as well not just from a cheongsters'), and I am doing it in parallel. But it is not the same as the LDTR journey itself.

Your 5 (or however many) lines on the other hand, are good for those who think they have arrived, and want to reminisce old times or similar. They are absolutely fine and good as they are, but please do that in another more appropriate thread. My narrations are live/ongoing, & they reflect things as they are happening to me today (why do u quarrel about that? ), Meant for other fellow pilgrims to compare with their own walk and discuss/share; if there is something really obviously wrong they can tell me the specifics (and some bros do), and not in just 1 blanket statement dismiss everything as bluff or boasting. Those who know me well and even met or talked to some of the TGs I mentioned, know better than you that the narrations are not imaginary.

Since my posts are not meant for "successful" guys like you, perhaps they naturally rub u the wrong way. May I suggest u are in the wrong thread. Please check out this thread's Objectives here. If u had read it in the 1st place, all these needless ding-dongs dun need to take place, and perhaps u will understand why I responded the way I did. Frankly, nothing personal - it could have been someone else who misunderstood.

[free]

Originally Posted by Bonker911

Such information would be welcomed.

To start off, here is a useful guide.

http://www.bia.co.th/002.html
http://www.bia.co.th/024.html
http://www.bia.co.th/011.html

Bro Bonker, thanks for these info. There are indeed many such sites available. Perhaps you may want to consolidate such info and centralize them into one thread here? Why not start a new thread on it - would be appreciated by many I am sure, including me. Sure beats having read from many sites each time

BTW, I am still looking for info on cattle farming (cows/bulls for beef) in LOS as compared to dairy farming (cows for milk) {much easier to get info}. Anyone know of any good sources? Any info on prices? How much can a full grown cow sell for? - my most pertinent question right now. Want to double-confirm with a neutral 3rd party. Any info on cost of vaccinations? Any major problems transferriing 40-50 heads of almost fully grown cattle from Isaan to Phayao/Phrae? Especially with regards to stress, change of food/climate?

Maybe some real LCs with real experience/knowledge can help ? Would be very grateful.