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[masterwanker]

Originally Posted by countryman

Not forgetting Ryan Kent! This guy is good, he's fast, skilful n he has the physique. Reminds me De Bruyne.

This guy is still young and he has a lot of potential to be successful as long as he keeps his head on his shoulders and work hard to develop his skills .

[Andoo]

Liverpoolfc is indeed bigger and greater than ManU[/QUOTE]

hell yeah...........the signing of Solanke and Robertson, 2 hugh players further justified liverpool is indeed a "bigger" club than Manchester United.......lol....._I_...

[escobar43535]

Neil Humphreys: Blame Liverpool players, not Klopp


Stats prove that German's tactics not the reason for defensive failings

TNP COMMENT

Aug 15, 2017


Fans are fickle, pundits are predictable and the clock is always ticking.

Juergen Klopp knows this. Even if he didn't, he certainly does now.

Just one game into the new season, the Liverpool manager finds himself with a faint target on his back.

He's no longer the "Second Coming", apparently, but a weak coach incapable of fixing defensive failings left behind by Brendan Rodgers.

The sack race hasn't yet begun, but the starter's pistol will certainly be held aloft if the Reds lose to Hoffenheim in the first leg of their Champions League play-off tomorrow morning (Singapore time).

But the German isn't so much Keystone Klopp as he is Confused Klopp, unable to quite work out why his tactical charges won't do as they're told.

He shouldn't be held responsible for their defensive cock-ups, not yet anyway.

Liverpool's inability to defend set-pieces is down to individual faults on the pitch, rather than the fault of the individual in the dugout.

A simple analysis would suggest all that gegenpressing is getting in the way of straightforward defending, with fullbacks abandoning their posts and leaving centre backs exposed.

But what does gegenpressing have to do with defenders failing to pick up markers at corners? It's not a stupid playing system. It's the players, stupid.

For those spinning the anti-Klopp narrative, the inconvenient truth is Liverpool are not conceding more shots to the opposition because of his counterattacking.

The figures 2-2-5-5-4-3-4 are not Philippe Coutinho's wage demands, but the position where Liverpool have sat in the league table - over the last seven seasons - in terms of fewest shots conceded.

Under Klopp, Liverpool's penalty box hasn't turned into pinball mayhem, quite the opposite. In his two seasons, the Reds finished second when it came to fewest shots conceded.

The issue isn't necessarily tactical, but temperamental.

TOO MANY FROM TOO FEW

When an opponent does cultivate a rare opening, Liverpool's jittery centre backs split like bowling pins.

To finish off the numbers game, 42, 50, 48, 50, 43, 40 and 44 are the number of Premier League goals Liverpool have conceded in the last seven years.

Put simply, the Reds concede too many goals from too few chances, an obvious point amplified by those pub-team blunders against Watford.

A couple of corners and some shockingly slack marking were enough for the minnows to score three times. Even Watford defender Miguel Britos admitted that his side specifically targeted their opponents' soft underbelly at set-pieces.

Klopp's tactical approach just cannot legislate for Joel Matip and Dejan Lovren playing as if they'd met on Tinder before kick-off and were struggling through a first date. Lovren floated around the Hornets and stung like a butterfly.

And when Matip gets the wanderlust, he often heads for pastures new beyond his box.

Klopp must shoulder some of the blame of course. Since his arrival, no EPL club have conceded more goals from set-pieces than Liverpool's humbling tally of 27.

The Champions League won't offer any respite either, considering Hoffenheim scored 16 times in the Bundesliga from dead-ball situations last season, a figure matched only by Bayern Munich.

Zonal marking continues to polarise opinion, particularly when it comes to Liverpool, but losing an opponent in the six-yard box says more about the defender's psyche than any particular system.

Klopp's gegenpressing actually concedes fewer shots on Simon Mignolet's goal - not more - but his centre backs are guilty of more leaks than the White House.

He doesn't have the men for the job, not if the job involves a serious assault on domestic and European silverware.

Against Watford, Jordan Henderson and the peripheral Georginio Wijnaldum showed that their qualities differ from those of Nemanja Matic or N'Golo Kante; the archetypal, modern midfielders usually required in today's popular, counter-pressing insurgencies.

Klopp's interest in Virgil van Dijk has been highlighted ad nauseam. What's been less publicised is his eagerness to sign a central midfielder.

He urgently needs a new signing to sit in front of his fragile back four, rather than to replace Coutinho.

If the Brazilian is determined to hang on to his Barcelona dream, then Liverpool should take the money and run to the nearest available centre back and holding midfielder.

They'll just about get by without one creative individual up front.

But too many individual errors at the back will kill off the Reds' season before it's begun.

[naemlo]

Originally Posted by escobar43535

If the Brazilian is determined to hang on to his Barcelona dream, then Liverpool should take the money and run to the nearest available centre back and holding midfielder.

Like what I mentioned, no good CM.... Can and Henderson are just not good enough for the role. We need another Stevie... Like Barca needs Iniesta... We need a real target man n not Firmino.

[Baigonggong]

Originally Posted by naemlo

Like what I mentioned, no good CM.... Can and Henderson are just not good enough for the role. We need another Stevie... Like Barca needs Iniesta... We need a real target man n not Firmino.

Ah Gong would rather play that Solanke and Origi upfront than that headless chicken . When Danny Ings is fully fit again Ah Gong would use him as a backup instead of that sick chicken . Ah Gong don't know what Klopp see in that headless chicken . Ah Gong hope that Klopp will solve the defensive woes if not Liverpool fans will be screaming for him to be sacked.

[countryman]

Originally Posted by naemlo

Like what I mentioned, no good CM.... Can and Henderson are just not good enough for the role. We need another Stevie... Like Barca needs Iniesta... We need a real target man n not Firmino.

Grujic would be a good defensive midfielder.. It's about time Klopp do some changes in midfield to cover the back 4..Hendo, Can n Wini have failed terribly!

[LeeHsienLoong]

Liverpool can never play with a target man.
We failed with Carroll and Benteke.
What the team needs is a player like Torres or Suarez who are all over the place killing the defence.
A no nonsense DM like Keane or Vieira.
One strong leader like Gerrard not a weak duck like Henderson who allowed Balotelli to take a penalty.

[escobar43535]

From what you'll recently posted, looks like if we are able to get Alexis Sanchez, Naby Keita & VVD it would be problem solved but unfortunately wishful thinking by the likes of things!

[JadeBird]

Originally Posted by countryman

Grujic would be a good defensive midfielder.. It's about time Klopp do some changes in midfield to cover the back 4..Hendo, Can n Wini have failed terribly!

Grujic is too lightweight & lazy to be CDM. Klopp has not used him often because he says this Grujic boy does not track back to share the defensive duties.

Although he is talented but does not work hard enough I see no future for him at Anfield..... soon he will be out the doors too.

[masterwanker]

It is no point if you look great going forward but you are leaking behind . One would have thought they would have used the summer and preseason to correct your mistakes . Hope Klopp would do something about that leaky defense. If the deal for Coutinho does go through many fans would be angry with FSG . It will definitely make FSG and Kloop look more foolish .

[Ninja_Assassin]

Originally Posted by JadeBird

Grujic is too lightweight & lazy to be CDM. Klopp has not used him often because he says this Grujic boy does not track back to share the defensive duties.

Although he is talented but does not work hard enough I see no future for him at Anfield..... soon he will be out the doors too.

Same like Markovic..... cannot defend or refuse to help defend?

[Summerhillt]

I say nevertheless a great job by the boys at hoffenhiem! To think that hoffenhiem was a team which had 0 loss at home the last bundesliga and was 4th in their league.. well done boys!

What a free kick stunner from our 18 year old lad.

[escobar43535]

Happy

Hoffenheim is a good side, haven't lost at home in 15 months. The likes of Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig have all failed to win there.

Well done Redmen!

TAA with a beauty, although Mane was our best player on the field and Mignolet can take a bow!

Back to TAA, 18-year-old with a stunning free-kick on his Champions League debut for LFC What a freekick, talk about bend it like Beckham! More pace than Beckham though a very similar right boot, takes corners with his left too, from the other side. Think this lad is going all the way he has just about everything!


Pity our sloppy defending cost us a clean sheet yet again though. If we don't get VVD by the 31st, hope Klopp has the good sense to make up with Sakho because Lovren has become a walking disaster. Also think Henderson really needs to step up or get benched.

We move on against Palace this Saturday.

[Anfield2017]

Originally Posted by Summerhillt

I say nevertheless a great job by the boys at hoffenhiem! To think that hoffenhiem was a team which had 0 loss at home the last bundesliga and was 4th in their league.. well done boys!

What a free kick stunner from our 18 year old lad.

Wonder who predicted Liverpool to lose this game or bet against Liverpool?

Watford at home is never easy game for any team. Credit to the lads to come back and almost nick the 3 points at Watford. Our front men all scored in first game which is positive.

Games will be coming in fast and every 3 to 4 days will have a game. Hopefully can rotate some players otherwise injuries and burnt out.

Some players still have to improve which is good sign.

[Baigonggong]

Ah Gong like this TAA young man more and more . He will definitely give Clyne a run for his money . A good decent result away from home but AH Gong feel that the team can play better . Ah Gong wonder does the away goals count in this game ? Another 90 mins to go .