BACK TO PHASE 2! Any ways to fix blue balls?

[omnia]

Originally Posted by Bobby8881

At this rate, I doubt if we would be status quo, but get tighter. Time to insure my right hand . . . .

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...e-moh-14880452

If you look at the latest KPIs - daily community infection rate, weekly community infection rate, daily unlinked community cases rate, weekly unlinked community cases, hospital rate, ICU rate, death rate...the figures actually don't look that bad and if continues in this direction I think 13th June reopening date return to phase 3 seems possible...

End of the day we just have to learn to live with Covid as it ain't going away anytime soon...also Singapore cannot survive with closed borders indefinitely...our economy needs to be open in the long term, I don't see how we can pivot away from this and survive long term, the local economy is just not big enough and don't think digitalisation on its own is enough either...

So long as Covid becomes something like the flu, that is not so serious an illness...then I think we can return to a manageable preCovid status...most important future KPIs are the hospitalisation rate, ICU rates and death rates...if we can manage these to the same level as say the Flu, then I think we can eventually return to 'normal'...this because the infection rate would not be important anymore...

Vaccination, herd immunity is key...also medical therapies to treat Covid to a manageable level, that is make the Covid patients recover quickly - I think this coming, read the Australians may have discovered a new effective medical therapy...medical science moving fast...not forgetting the community must continue to play its part as well...be responsible, wear masks outside, practice social distancing, wash hands regularly, sanitise, don't touch face, if sick go see a doctor and stay away from others etc...

A good indicator of the way forward is to observe the US, EU countries and the UK over this summer....they are all going the vaccination, herd immunity route and then opening up both locally and internationally(to a certain extent at least)...i wish them well...

Back to us...we must not be unnecessarily fearful...

[r.fowler]

The coffeeshop beside the hotly debated K spa at Bt timah has been visited by a carrier. Stay safe if you are around there during the visit.

[deadmaninc75]

that ong said cb2 unlikely liao

Originally Posted by omnia

If you look at the latest KPIs - daily community infection rate, weekly community infection rate, daily unlinked community cases rate, weekly unlinked community cases, hospital rate, ICU rate, death rate...the figures actually don't look that bad and if continues in this direction I think 13th June reopening date return to phase 3 seems possible...

End of the day we just have to learn to live with Covid as it ain't going away anytime soon...also Singapore cannot survive with closed borders indefinitely...our economy needs to be open in the long term, I don't see how we can pivot away from this and survive long term, the local economy is just not big enough and don't think digitalisation on its own is enough either...

So long as Covid becomes something like the flu, that is not so serious an illness...then I think we can return to a manageable preCovid status...most important future KPIs are the hospitalisation rate, ICU rates and death rates...if we can manage these to the same level as say the Flu, then I think we can eventually return to 'normal'...this because the infection rate would not be important anymore...

Vaccination, herd immunity is key...also medical therapies to treat Covid to a manageable level, that is make the Covid patients recover quickly - I think this coming, read the Australians may have discovered a new effective medical therapy...medical science moving fast...not forgetting the community must continue to play its part as well...be responsible, wear masks outside, practice social distancing, wash hands regularly, sanitise, don't touch face, if sick go see a doctor and stay away from others etc...

A good indicator of the way forward is to observe the US, EU countries and the UK over this summer....they are all going the vaccination, herd immunity route and then opening up both locally and internationally(to a certain extent at least)...i wish them well...

Back to us...we must not be unnecessarily fearful...

[perish__]

Originally Posted by omnia

If
So long as Covid becomes something like the flu, that is not so serious an illness...then I think we can return to a manageable preCovid status...most important future KPIs are the hospitalisation rate, ICU rates and death rates...if we can manage these to the same level as say the Flu, then I think we can eventually return to 'normal'...this because the infection rate would not be important anymore...

Vaccination, herd immunity is key...also medical therapies to treat Covid to a manageable level, that is make the Covid patients recover quickly - I think this coming, read the Australians may have discovered a new effective medical therapy...medical science moving fast...not forgetting the community must continue to play its part as well...be responsible, wear masks outside, practice social distancing, wash hands regularly, sanitise, don't touch face, if sick go see a doctor and stay away from others etc...

A good indicator of the way forward is to observe the US, EU countries and the UK over this summer....they are all going the vaccination, herd immunity route and then opening up both locally and internationally(to a certain extent at least)...i wish them well...

Back to us...we must not be unnecessarily fearful...

Agree with your assessment .
We can’t close forever , we r not China or USA with vast natural resources / population . What is the point if we have zero cases but the whole economy is dead.

I only look at unlinked cases, anything < 6-8 per day is acceptable to me.

[Sadly]

Originally Posted by omnia

If you look at the latest KPIs - daily community infection rate, weekly community infection rate, daily unlinked community cases rate, weekly unlinked community cases, hospital rate, ICU rate, death rate...the figures actually don't look that bad and if continues in this direction I think 13th June reopening date return to phase 3 seems possible...

End of the day we just have to learn to live with Covid as it ain't going away anytime soon...also Singapore cannot survive with closed borders indefinitely...our economy needs to be open in the long term, I don't see how we can pivot away from this and survive long term, the local economy is just not big enough and don't think digitalisation on its own is enough either...

So long as Covid becomes something like the flu, that is not so serious an illness...then I think we can return to a manageable preCovid status...most important future KPIs are the hospitalisation rate, ICU rates and death rates...if we can manage these to the same level as say the Flu, then I think we can eventually return to 'normal'...this because the infection rate would not be important anymore...

Vaccination, herd immunity is key...also medical therapies to treat Covid to a manageable level, that is make the Covid patients recover quickly - I think this coming, read the Australians may have discovered a new effective medical therapy...medical science moving fast...not forgetting the community must continue to play its part as well...be responsible, wear masks outside, practice social distancing, wash hands regularly, sanitise, don't touch face, if sick go see a doctor and stay away from others etc...

A good indicator of the way forward is to observe the US, EU countries and the UK over this summer....they are all going the vaccination, herd immunity route and then opening up both locally and internationally(to a certain extent at least)...i wish them well...

Back to us...we must not be unnecessarily fearful...

Excellent summary, thanks! I share your views as well. Numbers aren’t bad at all. Dont forget that now the government is testing 5-10 times more than last year. Many students had the virus last year already but weren’t tested as young people dont show symptoms. Live must go on now that all seniors/people at risk had the chance to get vaccinated. Government should also stop having every infected person in hospital given than less than 10% require medical attention. We need to manage our resources better (human capital + reserves) as we will never be virus free. A concern to me is our mental health which doesnt receive much attention. Health is not only about being physically well, having a good mental health (being positive, joyful, happy,... and a social live is as important.

[omnia]

Absolutely right on zero cases but dead economy buddy!

The 'cure' must not be worse than the disease....think the govt needs to address this existential issue with the public sooner or later...

Also looks like you are following the Sin/HK bubble criteria...quite a good first step...

Originally Posted by perish__

Agree with your assessment .
We can’t close forever , we r not China or USA with vast natural resources / population . What is the point if we have zero cases but the whole economy is dead.

I only look at unlinked cases, anything < 6-8 per day is acceptable to me.

Good points from you as well buddy!

We need to move on and learn on how to manage and live with Covid.

Btw thanks for the points, return the compliments(the other samster who upped me, thanks as well and perhaps you can pm me so I can return the compliments as well)

Originally Posted by Sadly

Excellent summary, thanks! I share your views as well. Numbers aren’t bad at all. Dont forget that now the government is testing 5-10 times more than last year. Many students had the virus last year already but weren’t tested as young people dont show symptoms. Live must go on now that all seniors/people at risk had the chance to get vaccinated. Government should also stop having every infected person in hospital given than less than 10% require medical attention. We need to manage our resources better (human capital + reserves) as we will never be virus free. A concern to me is our mental health which doesnt receive much attention. Health is not only about being physically well, having a good mental health (being positive, joyful, happy,... and a social live is as important.

You are joking right?

Those who decline vaccination, no problem, that is your right...but at the same time you also have to responsible to the rest of the community...so stay at home until you change your mind or once Covid is under manageable control with 80%vaccination rate/herd immunity...

Originally Posted by funboi

maybe sg zenghu can give sg retail shopping vouchers to encourage pp get vaccinated.

[supershaft]

ownself PCC la

[engine]

I think re-open is hard mid June, if we are lucky end June or mid July, if you take example from HK, from the Dec/Jan outbreak they needed 4 months to calm things down, also for testing they also strengthen , they are currently more strict test on entry, negative then release upon entry, 5th day, 12th day, 16th day and 19th day need to test. Anyway zhenhu the contact tracing capabilities and vaccination program so much better than HK, so realistic speaking should be minimum about 2 months ba. Have to open up, economy is dying liao, now is just false economy only.Furthermore you can see zhenhu tightening the purse liao, not willing to give so much $$. So now, if have FB then do with FB , if have wife then do with wife lor, go visit less lor tahan a bit for the next 1 month or so till things die down.Then go get jab sooner so economy can open up faster and everyone feel safer, I also ask the ML to get jab if can. , cose can you imagine if get called up cose close contact with ML, jialat sia.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

[r.fowler]

Actually June is the best period to do a reset and ringfence. But govt should know how matter how tight you want to tighten, there will still be cases.

Borrowing a sentence from the PM up north

They can do total lockdown, but all businesses will die.

[heyumf]

Like that those private more dangerous no record

[Xgenre]

Originally Posted by heyumf

Like that those private more dangerous no record

I have been receiving friend requests from such home based (HDB) ML. Their business must be bad now. Given how their HDB neighbours are likely to be working from home too, visitors to her HDB unit will draw attention from these neighbours. If you see many potentially covid carrying strangers walking along your corridor and they are all entering the HDB unit with only PRC ladies, what will you do?

[absurdit]

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[pete_the_fish]

Business good or bad ? I am seeing some shops doing "promotion" now....especially beautician who also do massage. they cannot do facial so must have a lot of time since can only do massage now.

maybe special they charge more...LPPL

[harry123]

my prc ml asking how to go for early vaccination and willing to pay. now the window for free vaccination is only for aged 40 and above. are there clinics who offer paid vaccination? her boss does not want to apply anything for mls in her shop. also she prefers to take china vaccine to skip the quarantine when rtc.

[Sadly]

Originally Posted by harry123

my prc ml asking how to go for early vaccination and willing to pay. now the window for free vaccination is only for aged 40 and above. are there clinics who offer paid vaccination? her boss does not want to apply anything for mls in her shop. also she prefers to take china vaccine to skip the quarantine when rtc.

ML should register interest online. Chances are very high that they will be invited before their age group.