Ever fall in love with a massage girl

[evoralliart]

Originally Posted by Shadow_warrior

bro JB, you are level headed about this, I can't say this is true for all the bros. I have fallen into the shit storm before, and it sucked.
Forget honesty, you will catch her.
that's when you have to decide, how much pain are you willing to take, to stay or to go. Its simple but hard to do.

bro Evo, if you are talking about as a friend, for her good, and you don't feel good when she's out with others, perhaps you are already too close, and struggling to stay or go? I am guessing.

I was there, not a good place to be.

Bro. Ya, as a friend. I have to admit I took a liking to her way back during her ML days, even till now. But she draws the line and I have no choice but to treat her as friend. Now that she’s no longer in this line but we stay in contact; my thinking is that she’s fine and well right in front of me during our meetups. That will already be great.

I am struggling to stay or go as a friend/customer now due to the fact that she sure fucks other ex customers for extra income on top of her current job now. Which even I still likes her and have to treat her as a friend only, I can’t really accept. Stay as I cherish the time we know each other for 3 years ish till now. Leave and I can’t bear; as I told myself what is the point already, since she is not ML anymore but still goes outside with other customers and I am not in the position to bother her regarding this.

[junior_cannibal]

Originally Posted by evoralliart

I didn’t catch her red handed but she didn’t deny when I happened to talk to her abt it.

Yea. Thanks bro. Guessed i get sex and company when I ask her out at times. Its just my turn to do her when she’s with me. It takes alot of heart to be as u said; you wouldn’t care less if she is out with others. But its been very long already, I still don’t feel good thinking she’s out with others when she’s not with me. Even as a friend point of view. For her good

Originally Posted by Shadow_warrior

bro JB, you are level headed about this, I can't say this is true for all the bros. I have fallen into the shit storm before, and it sucked.
Forget honesty, you will catch her.
that's when you have to decide, how much pain are you willing to take, to stay or to go. Its simple but hard to do.

bro Evo, if you are talking about as a friend, for her good, and you don't feel good when she's out with others, perhaps you are already too close, and struggling to stay or go? I am guessing.

I was there, not a good place to be.

As I mentioned earlier, one way to avoid falling into any gongtao and kc trap, is to concurrently have a few ML. If keep repeating the ans RTF/RTM the same one, the chance of developing some feeling is inevitable.
Be realistic, if you are quite deep pocket and resourceful, to be able to afford to ask the ML to quit her job and you bao her, unless you are 24x7 with her, she might still cheat behind you.
They are not here to find love, they are here to make money. They might have a useless husband and father to their children.
One day, the special woman will leave our shore, this is not their home afterall.
As the old saying, when you want to drink milk, don't bring the cow home lah.

[Shadow_warrior]

Originally Posted by junior_cannibal

As I mentioned earlier, one way to avoid falling into any gongtao and kc trap, is to concurrently have a few ML. If keep repeating the ans RTF/RTM the same one, the chance of developing some feeling is inevitable.
Be realistic, if you are quite deep pocket and resourceful, to be able to afford to ask the ML to quit her job and you bao her, unless you are 24x7 with her, she might still cheat behind you.
They are not here to find love, they are here to make money. They might have a useless husband and father to their children.
One day, the special woman will leave our shore, this is not their home afterall.
As the old saying, when you want to drink milk, don't bring the cow home lah.

mine was a local FL/WL. so it wasn't so much she would leave the shores. she was just a flirt, that's why she was so good at her job.
Well moving on, yes, don't have feelings for the ML/FL. The price you pay is not just money

[evoralliart]

Mine was a PRC PR. So she’s still in SG but now working in other lines. Not in the massage

[Shadow_warrior]

Originally Posted by evoralliart

Mine was a PRC PR. So she’s still in SG but now working in other lines. Not in the massage

yes, mine also quit the trade and went into retail for a long time.

A leopard cannot change its spots, that's what I discovered. Sure you might not be "active" but somethings did not change. The flirting, the constant need to have many men around her. She can even pick up men from her work place, in the shopping centres, and her gf also introduce men to her.

There is still a certain personality in her, that brought her into the trade and still is with her after she left.

[evoralliart]

Originally Posted by Shadow_warrior

yes, mine also quit the trade and went into retail for a long time.

A leopard cannot change its spots, that's what I discovered. Sure you might not be "active" but somethings did not change. The flirting, the constant need to have many men around her. She can even pick up men from her work place, in the shopping centres, and her gf also introduce men to her.

There is still a certain personality in her, that brought her into the trade and still is with her after she left.

Agree. Her many gfs can introduce other guys to her. And certainly the personality will be after her even she leave the massage scene. Meeting up with ex customers

[ssd3469]

Originally Posted by Shadow_warrior

yes I concur. I know many independent, so its not about the boss. In fact, the car they drive, the house they need to pay, the bank is the boss, so its wierd to think in terms of screwing a woman and thinking the money goes where.

normally when you go massage do you autoroam the ML on your own before extra has even begun? Cause you may run the risk of offending her if it is a clean massage or the ML does not povide extras(thus she was not expecting to be touched.)

[junior_cannibal]

Originally Posted by ssd3469

normally when you go massage do you autoroam the ML on your own before extra has even begun? Cause you may run the risk of offending her if it is a clean massage or the ML does not povide extras(thus she was not expecting to be touched.)

Whether the ML offers special or not, there will be telltale signs.
If she only play piano with light to non existing massage, best, she start to tease you by accidentally brush past your ggj or balls, or even joke about your hard on, then there's almost 100% chance there's special.
I recalled there's once I went to one joint expecting to have a normal massage, was given and put on a paper brief, the ML repeatedly telling me there's no special she would provide. She's just an average looking MILF and wasn't even expecting any special. She repeated till I got pissed then I asked her why she kept talking about it, she then mentioned there were other male clients who tried to be funny with her.
In Singapore, the benefit of doubts are given to the lady than the man. Hence, when she says no, don't take it lightly and pressed in. Use your common sense wisely.

[Penguin23]

Originally Posted by Shadow_warrior

yes, mine also quit the trade and went into retail for a long time.

A leopard cannot change its spots, that's what I discovered. Sure you might not be "active" but somethings did not change. The flirting, the constant need to have many men around her. She can even pick up men from her work place, in the shopping centres, and her gf also introduce men to her.

There is still a certain personality in her, that brought her into the trade and still is with her after she left.

Wow, this is super sad to hear, bro. I have an ex VN gf who is like that. She has a constant need for male attention and will automatically attract guys who are obviously all looking to fuck her. Life with her was a constant state of stress, not knowing which guy friend of hers is just waiting in the wings hoping for his chance to cum in her. She likes to fuck raw too, and loves the feeling of cum flowing out her pussy. Damn steam, I fully realize why so many guys, including me, got hooked

My ex found a nice decent local VN guy after we broke up, and became a mother and a "good girl" for a couple of years. Being an idiot that I was, I followed her profile fora year plus using my contacts in KTV to find out what is happening in her life. I heard about her fucking around, flying out to meet ex clients for holiday fuck trips and going for an abortion when she got caught cheating during her pregnancy.

But, as you said, a leopard cannot change its spots. Her FB status is still Single, no mention of husband on her profile not in her pictures, though her son now appears once in a while. Her ex clients from KTV still follow her and make comments on her Profile.

I think her husband must be living in hell, but that is his misfortune to marry a girl like that. Some character flaws are inherent and cannot be changed. Her ex KTV Mummy has a running bet on when she will return to KTV life

It saddens me a little, to think that my ex is probably destined to be tied down to working in nightlife, even as her beauty fades and her age starts to show. The industry is brutal, once a girl turns 26 ish, the other girls will call her "Chi", a sure sign that she is now the oldest woman in the lineup

[deathnitez]

Originally Posted by Penguin23

Wow, this is super sad to hear, bro. I have an ex VN gf who is like that. She has a constant need for male attention and will automatically attract guys who are obviously all looking to fuck her. Life with her was a constant state of stress, not knowing which guy friend of hers is just waiting in the wings hoping for his chance to cum in her. She likes to fuck raw too, and loves the feeling of cum flowing out her pussy. Damn steam, I fully realize why so many guys, including me, got hooked

My ex found a nice decent local VN guy after we broke up, and became a mother and a "good girl" for a couple of years. Being an idiot that I was, I followed her profile fora year plus using my contacts in KTV to find out what is happening in her life. I heard about her fucking around, flying out to meet ex clients for holiday fuck trips and going for an abortion when she got caught cheating during her pregnancy.

But, as you said, a leopard cannot change its spots. Her FB status is still Single, no mention of husband on her profile not in her pictures, though her son now appears once in a while. Her ex clients from KTV still follow her and make comments on her Profile.

I think her husband must be living in hell, but that is his misfortune to marry a girl like that. Some character flaws are inherent and cannot be changed. Her ex KTV Mummy has a running bet on when she will return to KTV life

It saddens me a little, to think that my ex is probably destined to be tied down to working in nightlife, even as her beauty fades and her age starts to show. The industry is brutal, once a girl turns 26 ish, the other girls will call her "Chi", a sure sign that she is now the oldest woman in the lineup

Tbh of all country Vietnamese is the one of top in term of Horny rank. Plus ladies working in this line damn hard to find really decent woman. So much stories of money or external affair of friends married to them. But damn when come to sex they can do many and any things hahaha. One of my viet ex wake me up in the morning by blowjob...walk around my house holding my dick. But yeah for sex with them hell yeah serious relationship maybe don't put too much hope.

[Shadow_warrior]

Originally Posted by Penguin23

Wow, this is super sad to hear, bro. I have an ex VN gf who is like that. She has a constant need for male attention and will automatically attract guys who are obviously all looking to fuck her. Life with her was a constant state of stress, not knowing which guy friend of hers is just waiting in the wings hoping for his chance to cum in her. She likes to fuck raw too, and loves the feeling of cum flowing out her pussy. Damn steam, I fully realize why so many guys, including me, got hooked

My ex found a nice decent local VN guy after we broke up, and became a mother and a "good girl" for a couple of years. Being an idiot that I was, I followed her profile fora year plus using my contacts in KTV to find out what is happening in her life. I heard about her fucking around, flying out to meet ex clients for holiday fuck trips and going for an abortion when she got caught cheating during her pregnancy.

But, as you said, a leopard cannot change its spots. Her FB status is still Single, no mention of husband on her profile not in her pictures, though her son now appears once in a while. Her ex clients from KTV still follow her and make comments on her Profile.

I think her husband must be living in hell, but that is his misfortune to marry a girl like that. Some character flaws are inherent and cannot be changed. Her ex KTV Mummy has a running bet on when she will return to KTV life

It saddens me a little, to think that my ex is probably destined to be tied down to working in nightlife, even as her beauty fades and her age starts to show. The industry is brutal, once a girl turns 26 ish, the other girls will call her "Chi", a sure sign that she is now the oldest woman in the lineup

yes bro

so after more than 15 years involved with indecent ladies, I have come to the conclusion, women who come into this trade, might already be damaged or willing to be damaged in exchange for money

And when they go through the process, what they exchange for monetary value is much more than just their bodies. Something in them, fades away, morality, spirituality, ethics, self respect(which is why they wear all the branded and expensive stuff)

They might shove all the men they sleep with behind their heads, but who knows, when they sit down and think about what they used their bodies for, and who has used their bodies, they might feel many things.

Like my ex FL/WL fling, even though we were seeing each other, she refused to say she was attached in a relationship. She still told the whole world she was single and grabbed any chance to know men. She would flirt to no end with men at work, next to her retail shop, girls would introduce other men to her(probably because she asked them to), visiting casinos also helped her find the men she wanted.

She probably thought starting to work in HJ places were nothing, just touching, and no sex. But the lure of money brought her to ktvs. And then escorts services, basically prostitution in hotels with foreign men and tourist. Then she worked at Orchard towers, mid point orchard and other places, that's when it was full on for everything. And she threw all that into drugs, casino, branded stuff that she pawned later to gamble somemore.

Profile- probably PSLE(didn't pass?). Low income family, single mom who was knocked up very young. Father mother are not educated.

So the question, ever fall in love with a massage girl, ktv girl, wl, fl.

Yes. But the price one pays might be your sanity. Especially if you are reasonably educated and schooled, you will lose your family, money, your marriage, your job. It breaks your spirit. So think twice, thrice before you think you want to get involved in someone so complicated. My 2 cents.

[xiia0sn0w]

Originally Posted by Shadow_warrior

yes bro

so after more than 15 years involved with indecent ladies, I have come to the conclusion, women who come into this trade, might already be damaged or willing to be damaged in exchange for money

And when they go through the process, what they exchange for monetary value is much more than just their bodies. Something in them, fades away, morality, spirituality, ethics, self respect(which is why they wear all the branded and expensive stuff)

They might shove all the men they sleep with behind their heads, but who knows, when they sit down and think about what they used their bodies for, and who has used their bodies, they might feel many things.

Like my ex FL/WL fling, even though we were seeing each other, she refused to say she was attached in a relationship. She still told the whole world she was single and grabbed any chance to know men. She would flirt to no end with men at work, next to her retail shop, girls would introduce other men to her(probably because she asked them to), visiting casinos also helped her find the men she wanted.

She probably thought starting to work in HJ places were nothing, just touching, and no sex. But the lure of money brought her to ktvs. And then escorts services, basically prostitution in hotels with foreign men and tourist. Then she worked at Orchard towers, mid point orchard and other places, that's when it was full on for everything. And she threw all that into drugs, casino, branded stuff that she pawned later to gamble somemore.

Profile- probably PSLE(didn't pass?). Low income family, single mom who was knocked up very young. Father mother are not educated.

So the question, ever fall in love with a massage girl, ktv girl, wl, fl.

Yes. But the price one pays might be your sanity. Especially if you are reasonably educated and schooled, you will lose your family, money, your marriage, your job. It breaks your spirit. So think twice, thrice before you think you want to get involved in someone so complicated. My 2 cents.

Very good advice and experience. Hopefully everyone understands that it’s just a moment of fun and should not get too invested in it to avoid disappointments/heartbreaks.

[junior_cannibal]

The line between so called love, infatuation and obsession can be rather thin and blur.
It's the knowledge that we cannot have the ML only and exclusively to ourselves that cause us become irrational.
To some of them, they might not feel there's anything wrong, as long as they don't have sex, flirting or even giving a BJ, HJ is ok. Or they think like men, they just want to have sex with many, but you are special to get sex and their 'love'.
As long as you can regard them as a common commodity or public toilet, then it's fine. Otherwise, don't waste your time, money or feeling. It just ain't worth it.
If you are not a player or cannot accept the rules of the game, please quit and move on. There are more fish than you know in the ocean.

[OmniPo]

Originally Posted by Shadow_warrior

yes bro

so after more than 15 years involved with indecent ladies, I have come to the conclusion, women who come into this trade, might already be damaged or willing to be damaged in exchange for money

And when they go through the process, what they exchange for monetary value is much more than just their bodies. Something in them, fades away, morality, spirituality, ethics, self respect(which is why they wear all the branded and expensive stuff)

They might shove all the men they sleep with behind their heads, but who knows, when they sit down and think about what they used their bodies for, and who has used their bodies, they might feel many things.

Like my ex FL/WL fling, even though we were seeing each other, she refused to say she was attached in a relationship. She still told the whole world she was single and grabbed any chance to know men. She would flirt to no end with men at work, next to her retail shop, girls would introduce other men to her(probably because she asked them to), visiting casinos also helped her find the men she wanted.

She probably thought starting to work in HJ places were nothing, just touching, and no sex. But the lure of money brought her to ktvs. And then escorts services, basically prostitution in hotels with foreign men and tourist. Then she worked at Orchard towers, mid point orchard and other places, that's when it was full on for everything. And she threw all that into drugs, casino, branded stuff that she pawned later to gamble somemore.

Profile- probably PSLE(didn't pass?). Low income family, single mom who was knocked up very young. Father mother are not educated.

So the question, ever fall in love with a massage girl, ktv girl, wl, fl.

Yes. But the price one pays might be your sanity. Especially if you are reasonably educated and schooled, you will lose your family, money, your marriage, your job. It breaks your spirit. So think twice, thrice before you think you want to get involved in someone so complicated. My 2 cents.

just put yourself in their shoes bah, even from a male perspective, everyday, people wanna stroke your precious and offer you money for sex, much easier for the female since they can pretend to be aroused 24/7.

100-200 per trick x 5 or 6 customers a day for 25 days as long as she is decent looking, easily 15-20K a month, even for milf, who can just cater to older age group. once one get use to that kind of money, will be hard to quit, normally for the more morally upright they will never yield from the start, otherwise it's a slippery road down.

seen so many who took money to be the exclusive one yet still continuing on their trade. pity these pple who invested money and real feeling, as you have mentioned, every sec they will be suspicious and their sanity will be eroded bit by bit, and for what? for someone who doesn't even care whether you will wake up or not the next morning?

just use them for the physical needs and keep any feelings out of it.

[lonelyfish]

Originally Posted by junior_cannibal

The line between so called love, infatuation and obsession can be rather thin and blur.
It's the knowledge that we cannot have the ML only and exclusively to ourselves that cause us become irrational.
To some of them, they might not feel there's anything wrong, as long as they don't have sex, flirting or even giving a BJ, HJ is ok. Or they think like men, they just want to have sex with many, but you are special to get sex and their 'love'.
As long as you can regard them as a common commodity or public toilet, then it's fine. Otherwise, don't waste your time, money or feeling. It just ain't worth it.
If you are not a player or cannot accept the rules of the game, please quit and move on. There are more fish than you know in the ocean.

The part about obsession is true. Sometimes I will feel empty when my ML didn't respond to my messages.

But I think the only way the you will "be" with the ML is if you made a kid with her.