Stephen Leather's Private Dancer

[GiddlyGook]

I understand this is common practice in socialist Europe (oh take your pick: Germany, the Sandinavian countries etc) - WLs enter into a "paper marriage" in which they pay a guy to marry (and later fuck off) them so they can stay and work.

Cannot do this easily in the UK though so that's why she had to go the "extra mile" and bring back the dude and all through all that charade.

Originally posted by siamcutey

My own discovery,
The marriage is to facilitate her visa so that she can go back to England again and ply her trade. Imagine they can marry any Tom Dick and Harry so as to go to a place and work. Dangerous.

[GiddlyGook]

Dude - I lived in Japan for 2 years in the mid-nineties and till today, I have no IDEA how all these WLs come to Japan so easily.

Man, anybody who frequently goes through Narita Airport can tell you this: anytime Air Phillipines is about to take off for Manila from Narita - just watch the ratio of WLs to regular pax at the gate - it always seems to me like it's like 80:20. I have never seen that many WLs congregate at one place. And hot too.

And a lot of the WLs you see in Tokyo are really legal or illegal Chinese mainlanders - unless you speak Japanese you won't be able to tell that they have a foreign accent - they speak the language well. It's like Japanese rice (the true short-grain stuff they grow in Japan) - unless you're Japanese, you won't be able to tell the difference from Japanese short-grain rice (exactly the same seed variety) grown in Korea or California.

Originally posted by CIMKing

Jeab also wanted to go Japan but I think visa hard to get. I think the whole H32 wanted to go lah...

[edkoh2000]

Originally posted by siamcutey
May I ask how much do you think will be enough to replace their income? Bearing in mind they are earning at least 50K baht and more in the trade. (Most often is more). I am sure many guys dd gave the commitment to take care of them.

Let's say for instance I give 50K baht a month, she quit the scene. But then you are not together with her. What she do everyday at home? Stay and sleep at home? Go shopping watch movies alone? They need company. And who are the people they knew? The WLs. Everyday their conversation will consists of how many sessions they do, how much they earn from this Robert, where is the most ideal place in the world to "do business". If they have the simple idea on what business or work to do, they wouldn't do the flesh trade. You and I got to admit. Its fucking easy money.

So who do they turn to? Their friends and the local siam kias who come and sweet talk. You ever seen siam kias pick up their wives at MPs after work? You ever seen them sending their wives to hotels let people F? And when some of these girls when they have foreign boyfriends coming over, the siamkias will evacuate. or guest appearance as the ever loving Pii Chai. Look around in their family and you might even discover the little brother or sister in the family might be the lovechild of the siamkia and your gf. Don't worry, as for covering up, they are a class above everyone. From the family to the whole village.

So where does your money go at the end of the day?1 end you are simply just busy earning money for them to withdraw from your ATM.

Remember the 24/7 thing? That is when you don't even need to pay that amount every month. How much is needed for the family, food, acomms, etc is all easily calculated and you realise you save much much more. And also you will realise that the WLs will not even come visit her so often. Especially when you know the thai language, they wouldn't even talk about tam ngaan.

SC

My dear brother SC

Everyone here knows how you feel, there is no need to keep preaching it. I ask the question because I don't want to ASS.U.ME and make an ASS out of everyone.

How much to replace their income really depends on a lot of factors. Whether they are working in BKK, Geyland Singapore, Hatyai or some other place.

Many of your advice make sense and NO ONE is saying you are wrong or doubt your experience with Thai people.

Still as chinese saying goes...do not use a rod to overturned a whole boat of people.

NOT every girl is so greedy though I must admit the longer they have been in the scene, the likely they are to get influenced. So getting them away from the scene ASAP is a good idea provided they want to as well. NOT every girl really enjoy THAT scene. Some really do want to GET out and live a normal life.

You are speaking from your experiences, others as well. Their experience is JUST as REAL. You maybe speaking from your MANY experiences while others might be speaking about ONLY ONE experience, still theirs is just as TRUE.

[vaxvms]

Phee EDKOH2000
Agree tat not all TG are greedy but how "lucky" are u able to find one tat true;y love U and not ur $ ??
MAybe U are one if the lucky one
U are give the relationship a try but advise not to invloved too much in dollar and cent
TG are very emtional till sometime we cannot even see whether their feeling is fake or real
Sometime we just need to learn it the hard way

SANUK!!!

[vaxvms]

Originally posted by siamcutey

Now I can speak the Thai Language. next year will be the time where I seriously get down to reading and writing it. The day when I accomplished that, I will read out to Nana the thai newspapers. My personal accomplishment where she said it was impossible.

hahaha
SC

Hope ur 2004 resolution come true!!!

[free]

Originally posted by siamcutey

Now I can speak the Thai Language. next year will be the time where I seriously get down to reading and writing it. The day when I accomplished that, I will read out to Nana the thai newspapers. My personal accomplishment where she said it was impossible.

hahaha
SC [/B]

Hey bro, it can be done. I started by writing a letter in simple broken English (more thai-styled English really) and then translated it (tediously) into Thai. She emailed me back a corrected version, like I do for her english letters. Recently she translated an English poem for a friend into Thai and emailed me back the Thai words only. Problem was that for some reasons, Hotmail must have jumbled up the paragrahing, and the number of lines in the Thai poem dun match with the English ones. Had to painstakingly decipher the Thai words and re-arrange the sentences to match the English poem. Would have been easier to get her to re-send but I wanna do it myself. And I did - 4 months after I started. Looks like a 1-year target is not that impossible, though tough, I must say.

You re there, so learning thai should be so much easier for you. My test will come in Jan when I meet her parents face to face.

[free]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
My dear brother SC

Everyone here knows how you feel, there is no need to keep preaching it. I ask the question because I don't want to ASS.U.ME and make an ASS out of everyone.

How much to replace their income really depends on a lot of factors. Whether they are working in BKK, Geyland Singapore, Hatyai or some other place.

Many of your advice make sense and NO ONE is saying you are wrong or doubt your experience with Thai people.

Still as chinese saying goes...do not use a rod to overturned a whole boat of people.

NOT every girl is so greedy though I must admit the longer they have been in the scene, the likely they are to get influenced. So getting them away from the scene ASAP is a good idea provided they want to as well. NOT every girl really enjoy THAT scene. Some really do want to GET out and live a normal life.

You are speaking from your experiences, others as well. Their experience is JUST as REAL. You maybe speaking from your MANY experiences while others might be speaking about ONLY ONE experience, still theirs is just as TRUE.

Yes, when I compare the stories I heard/read and even see for myself the many cases I know, with that of my own LDT journey, I can only be thankful that my situation is SO different (and she is not a BKKian nor live there anyway). Bros may be skeptical but I dun see the need to wait till "Death Do Us Part" to say that she has been true to me, and that I am the only guy in her life (like for me with her too). To do so would be to ignore all the facts and "proofs" before me (she never had to try to prove herself to me - it is just by the life she leads now).

Note: I do agree that sometimes even when the gal is a good one, like the girlfirend of a American I know (she studied and lived in the USA for 6years), parental pressure for the farang's money can still break them up. He refused to "cheapen" their love r/s (1.5 years together) by giving in to the parents (& give money/gifts the mother hinted at and literally asked for) and she was not able to separate herself from the parent's issue. In the end, they broke up, amidst the tears and heartaches. Till today, they probably still love each other, but their love was not to be.

I for one, know that I am blessed. My gal's parents belong to the generation where they live a contented life & do not worship materials, nor even approve of her having a boyfriend while still in Uni (still school to them). The short coming would be that any signs of being intimate (maybe even holding hands) in front of them will be frowned upon . But I can live with that. Buying a meeting gift is itself a headache cos I am not allowed to buy anything expensive or ostentatious, yet I want to reflect that fact that I value her . For many other bros, I know it will probably be a case of "the bigger the better". Not so for me.

Originally posted by edkoh2000
I must thank you brother CIM for sharing your painful experience. Now I understand better why you feel the way you do.

Can I ask a personal question? Of all the 3 girls, did you propose to replace their income after they quit the scene and named you the only lover/bf ? Did you at any point propose a commitment to take care of them for now and for the future?

The 2nd girl sort of expected me to support her when she first told me I can work in SG while she have baby back in BKK..but later on, she realised I was earning peanuts and she kinda of din expect anything from me. However, I knew that she was a bit resentful b4 she went London, about me not being able to support her like her gf's bfs do. Partly also because I refused to commit myself financially after I talked to bro Yomun and the trust was gone.

The 3rd girl, very paiseh to say, I did suggest a commitment. But she knew how much I earn and she was very frank, very pragmatic, in telling me that it can't work out the way I envisaged. I was told to "kit dee dee"..haha. She said many other things lah,...she "pen puying mai dee"..because many custs a day, thaio disco yerh yerh, gin yaa and stuff. I said if she have bf cannot work liao..cannot, and she din want bf to kit maak maak while she's working..and so on. Basically, from her point of view, dropping everything to be with me is simply too great a sacrifice, because she knew I cannot provide her with as much as she can earn in this line, a huge opportunity cost in terms of money and the choice of guys she can choose from. After all, she's only 20 and she kept saying she only wanna settle down by age 28. That's between the lines of cos but I think u can see what she's thinking.

Originally posted by siamcutey
May I ask how much do you think will be enough to replace their income? Bearing in mind they are earning at least 50K baht and more in the trade. (Most often is more). I am sure many guys dd gave the commitment to take care of them.

Let's say for instance I give 50K baht a month, she quit the scene. But then you are not together with her. What she do everyday at home? Stay and sleep at home? Go shopping watch movies alone? They need company. And who are the people they knew? The WLs. Everyday their conversation will consists of how many sessions they do, how much they earn from this Robert, where is the most ideal place in the world to "do business". If they have the simple idea on what business or work to do, they wouldn't do the flesh trade. You and I got to admit. Its fucking easy money.

SC

Yeah man...u say for me liao. Most of their thinking is not u can take care of them comfortably can liao. They will not be contented.

It is the amount u can provide VS the money they can earn. IF the former is more than the latter, then u might stand a chance. And u haven't gotten to the how-she's-going-to-spend-her-life practical issues yet.

Life is not so simple and beautiful whereby when u give them the promise of emotional and financial committment, then they are going to be so touched and swept off their feet, and stay by your side forever and ever.

SC cannot be more right. U cannot ignore these most minor of everyday issues...and the kind of influence her friends can pull over her. Can you seriously convince yourself she can start life afresh, stay in that shop u bought her everyday and change all her friends, and make a whole new circle of non-WL friends?

You might really have found such a girl. But to other bros out there, my point is, their chances are not high. Do give it a good thought. Take care.

[edkoh2000]

Originally posted by CIMKing
The 2nd girl sort of expected me to support her when she first told me I can work in SG while she have baby back in BKK..but later on, she realised I was earning peanuts and she kinda of din expect anything from me. However, I knew that she was a bit resentful b4 she went London, about me not being able to support her like her gf's bfs do. Partly also because I refused to commit myself financially after I talked to bro Yomun and the trust was gone.

The 3rd girl, very paiseh to say, I did suggest a commitment. But she knew how much I earn and she was very frank, very pragmatic, in telling me that it can't work out the way I envisaged. I was told to "kit dee dee"..haha. She said many other things lah,...she "pen puying mai dee"..because many custs a day, thaio disco yerh yerh, gin yaa and stuff. I said if she have bf cannot work liao..cannot, and she din want bf to kit maak maak while she's working..and so on. Basically, from her point of view, dropping everything to be with me is simply too great a sacrifice, because she knew I cannot provide her with as much as she can earn in this line, a huge opportunity cost in terms of money and the choice of guys she can choose from. After all, she's only 20 and she kept saying she only wanna settle down by age 28. That's between the lines of cos but I think u can see what she's thinking.

Thanks for explaining. Again now I understand better.

While it may be a strange notion for some of us to link $ with love, it is kinda of natural to the Thais. In the old days of our ancestors generation when the womanhood can't earn a living by themselves, they also expect guys to provide for them.

Many of our Singapore girls are also unwilling to give up their single upwardly mobile career and lifestyle to settle down and get married.

Sometimes age, family background and many other factors does come into consideration.

Still I wish you good luck brother CIMKing in future love relationship whether whatever country they come from.

[edkoh2000]

Originally posted by vaxvms
Phee EDKOH2000
Agree tat not all TG are greedy but how "lucky" are u able to find one tat true;y love U and not ur $ ??
MAybe U are one if the lucky one
U are give the relationship a try but advise not to invloved too much in dollar and cent
TG are very emtional till sometime we cannot even see whether their feeling is fake or real
Sometime we just need to learn it the hard way

SANUK!!!

Thanks for your concern. I am not rich and does not come from a rich family also. Every single dollar is hard earned. It not so easy to get me to part with my money...

I also had my fair share of relationship with Sing girls before I venture into thai territory and they are just as material if not worse.

I am perhaps lucky in the sense that $ did not have a chance to come into play "yet" in my previous 2 "relationships" with Thai working girls. It was just the beginning and because of some other issues, I decided to drop them admit somewhat painfully. The 2nd one I did like very much but I just couldn't stand her drinking ways. Funny thing is that her previous Malaysian boyfriend also drop her because of that yet she still never learn.

Also I would never dream of even trying a soapy girl especially if she is a BKK superstar. The kind of $ they made is almost impossible to replace or ask them to give up.

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Originally posted by edkoh2000
Thanks for your concern. I am not rich and does not come from a rich family also. Every single dollar is hard earned. It not so easy to get me to part with my money...

I also had my fair share of relationship with Sing girls before I venture into thai territory and they are just as material if not worse.

I am perhaps lucky in the sense that $ did not have a chance to come into play "yet" in my previous 2 "relationships" with Thai working girls. It was just the beginning and because of some other issues, I decided to drop them admit somewhat painfully. The 2nd one I did like very much but I just couldn't stand her drinking ways. Funny thing is that her previous Malaysian boyfriend also drop her because of that yet she still never learn.

Also I would never dream of even trying a soapy girl especially if she is a BKK superstar. The kind of $ they made is almost impossible to replace or ask them to give up.

Same here for me. My experience with SG gers are such that on top of the 5C's they also want a lot of attention. Always told them "You can have one or the other, unless you are happy with a bit of both", but no, they want everything. Yet when they are into their career, the guy takes a back seat.

Now I got me a ger who doesn't drink, smoke, gamble nor party (like I dun), and on top of that, she is intelligent yet not career-minded, beautiful yet not vain, strong yet gentle, posseses leadership qualities yet is submissive to me. Very hard to find someone like her anywhere, not just here in SG. Even more - she accepts her place as a supporting role in the family (learns from the parents) and is the wind beneath my wings. While I may be OK financially, I came from a poor background and will not squander money away. Good thing is that she shares similar background and therefore is prudent with money as well. More often than not, I am the one who got to convince her to accept what I bought for her, instead of her asking me to buy. And if she buys me small presents (with the little she has - so all the more precious to me), she dun even dare to ask me anymore, cos she knows my answer is "I dun need it - save the money for yourself". I telll u, I treasure every little gift she has given me, as they came not out of abundance, but from the little she has saved up, so they meant doubly as much.

[glycemia01]

hey dudes....long time no see.

anyone here staying in bangkok? i will be going there next week........some tirak problems(she's gonna get married soon and according to her it's her parent's who wants her to marry).....although not worth going but i still want to go.....u know...."we're still run by our emotions no matter what ppl tell us".........i guess result of a weak mind.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
My dear brother SC

Everyone here knows how you feel, there is no need to keep preaching it. I ask the question because I don't want to ASS.U.ME and make an ASS out of everyone.

How much to replace their income really depends on a lot of factors. Whether they are working in BKK, Geyland Singapore, Hatyai or some other place.

Many of your advice make sense and NO ONE is saying you are wrong or doubt your experience with Thai people.

Still as chinese saying goes...do not use a rod to overturned a whole boat of people.

NOT every girl is so greedy though I must admit the longer they have been in the scene, the likely they are to get influenced. So getting them away from the scene ASAP is a good idea provided they want to as well. NOT every girl really enjoy THAT scene. Some really do want to GET out and live a normal life.

You are speaking from your experiences, others as well. Their experience is JUST as REAL. You maybe speaking from your MANY experiences while others might be speaking about ONLY ONE experience, still theirs is just as TRUE.

First of all, there is no need to make an Ass out of anyone. If I do and can get a cent out from it, I sure make an ass out of everyone. Its for discussion and I see more people giving their views which is encouraging.

I understand the meaning of using a rod to overturn a whole boat of people. In English, we term it as generalizing this whole boat of people as one.

However, today I had any slight discussion with some singapore brothers again. We are dealing with Thai girls, so we must put ourselves in the Thai culture and not the Chinese Culture nor the English Culture when we describe the scenarios.

Will any of you allow your wife to work in the flesh trade? Non, I believe. Why? Because we are brought up from our culture from young its wrong and abnormal. But the Thais? Its not uncommon to see married thai girls working in the flesh trade to support the husband and the family. The husbands don't mind as she brings the dough home. Some even became drivers by picking up their wives after work from massage parlours.

No one is expected to really listen and follow what I say. Just like CIMKing and many others, we exchanged PMs. I told him certain things that he did was of no use. But still I believed he went ahead with it. He wasn't doing it to prove me wrong, cos there wasn't a need to do that. He wasn't doing it cos he feels his heart tells him he must do it. To a certain extent, it was good, cos only in the picture will he understand what really is in store for him down the path. Though the experience made him poorer, but it made him richer in experience.

Check CIMKing's profile and search through the postings he wrote, you will understand what I mean.

There will be success cases. But what I am highlighting here are the pitfalls where everyone should take note. Will you jump into a pitfall when you see one? You wouldn't, you will prepare yourself not to jump into it.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by CIMKing
Yeah man...u say for me liao. Most of their thinking is not u can take care of them comfortably can liao. They will not be contented.

It is the amount u can provide VS the money they can earn. IF the former is more than the latter, then u might stand a chance. And u haven't gotten to the how-she's-going-to-spend-her-life practical issues yet.

Life is not so simple and beautiful whereby when u give them the promise of emotional and financial committment, then they are going to be so touched and swept off their feet, and stay by your side forever and ever.

SC cannot be more right. U cannot ignore these most minor of everyday issues...and the kind of influence her friends can pull over her. Can you seriously convince yourself she can start life afresh, stay in that shop u bought her everyday and change all her friends, and make a whole new circle of non-WL friends?

You might really have found such a girl. But to other bros out there, my point is, their chances are not high. Do give it a good thought. Take care.

When thai girls do things, they seldom do solo mission. My friend say this, my friend say that. Some thai girls are even more evil. They afriad of loneliness, and will tend to psycho those who wish to turn a new leaf to FL behind their tirak's back etc. It's common because you are not around her. The influence of these bastard friends are very great. Do not underestimate. Give them a choice of you or friends, friends will be the obvious.

SC