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Old 10-08-2018, 12:05 PM
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Re: JB Point Exchange/TCSS/Discussion

+15 points for exchange. minimum 5 pointers. PM for faster return.







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Re: JB Point Exchange/TCSS/Discussion

19 green apples available for exchange today.

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The queue is empty so do join in the queue if you are interested.

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Old 10-08-2018, 03:51 PM
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8 pts for exchange
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Old 10-08-2018, 04:24 PM
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All are welcome to exchange...
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Old 10-08-2018, 09:19 PM
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20 pts for exchange

anyone want my nick, please PM to discuss
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up for pts exchange, all are welcome...
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Re: JB Point Exchange/TCSS/Discussion

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Old 12-08-2018, 06:49 AM
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Re: JB Point Exchange/TCSS/Discussion

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Good Morning.

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