Jakarta Info thread

[Gikko]

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter

You forget who these guys are, they have a history of OVERTIPPING to compensate for their many short cummings

Walk me through your theory bro hahaha. First time Im hearing of it.

[Gado2]

Originally Posted by Gikko

So you're saying that if you're good looking and you enter an establishment that offers sex services for a price, where the girls survive on tips and some margin, you get treated better than someone who allows them to earn more money? Hmmmm.

Yes I am, especially at a place like Classic. I get better treatment from the girl based on chemistry and communication, than tips alone. IMO tips do not affect her service routine at all, it only matters a bit if you see her again, and even that it doesn't change her routine much anyways as long as u tip at least 100k.

What did your girl do at Classic above SOP to earn her extra tip from you? Did she Rim you, real massage, or let you fuck her ass? Or speak the King's English? Or not try run up your bill with smokes and Lady Drinks? I am all for giving good tips, but ONLY when they have earned it by exceptional service or provide something above standard SOP to deserve it, otherwise you are defeating the system.

Classic is not a 5star restaurant, it is a fast food sex factory where they must do 5-8 guys a day. They don't care about quality just making u cum fast to get to next customer. locals that go there are 'generally' cheap and tip only 50-100k per shot. The girls just follow their standard routine no matter what u give, so by overtipping for their SOP u are spoiling market and rewarding standard/bad services which affects everyone in long run. if the girl gave me a shower BBBJ, good additude throughout , real massage after sex and stayed full hour without complaints or rushing or playing on her HP, and she was very good looking I would tip above 100k but never otherwise as it would set a bad precedent for other customers. Whatever u give her it really doesn't change how she operates, which defeats the purpose of incentivised tipping when they realize they can still get good tips while being lazy.

When the last time u gave a tip at McDonalds? Does tipping at McDonalds give u a better hamburger or faster/better service? Nope, it doesn't, because the workers there do not have a customer oriented mentality, just like at Classic, they are just mass production factories. however if you feel like paying more you should goto a more expensive restaurant (Malio, Emporium, King Cross) instead of overpaying for standard fast food to get better value.

[TonyCheong2]

Originally Posted by Gikko

Noted bro. I've never looked at it that way nor do I compare tips from different clusters of customers. I usually tip based on my experience. �� So you're saying that if you're good looking and you enter an establishment that offers sex services for a price, where the girls survive on tips and some margin, you get treated better than someone who allows them to earn more money? Hmmmm.

IMO, wouldn't the unmemorable service be an effect of low tips by the locals? Maybe they're tired of going an extra mile for a measly tip ��

I guess I haven't been to enough of these establishments ��

Stop the overtipping habit as you're ruining the playground for the regular and local punters!

RP50-100K tip is suffice!

[Gikko]

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter

We have no words for speaking of wisdom to the stupid. He who understands the wise is wise already.
Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

Hahaha thanks bro. But stop trolling me man, I know you're bored and all but go troll somewhere else.
I'm still learning. If you could reply like Gado2, it'll be helpful, rather than lame quotes to boost your ego ��

[Gikko]

Well put bro. I regretted not joining you at CJs the other night. Might learn a thing or two ✌️ Well if tipping less solves the problem, I guess I'll tip less 😂

Originally Posted by Gado2

Yes I am, especially at a place like Classic. I get better treatment from the girl based on chemistry and communication, than tips alone. IMO tips do not affect her service routine at all, it only matters a bit if you see her again, and even that it doesn't change her routine much anyways as long as u tip at least 100k.

What did your girl do at Classic above SOP to earn her extra tip from you? Did she Rim you, real massage, or let you fuck her ass? Or speak the King's English? Or not try run up your bill with smokes and Lady Drinks? I am all for giving good tips, but ONLY when they have earned it by exceptional service or provide something above standard SOP to deserve it, otherwise you are defeating the system.

Classic is not a 5star restaurant, it is a fast food sex factory where they must do 5-8 guys a day. They don't care about quality just making u cum fast to get to next customer. locals that go there are 'generally' cheap and tip only 50-100k per shot. The girls just follow their standard routine no matter what u give, so by overtipping for their SOP u are spoiling market and rewarding standard/bad services which affects everyone in long run. if the girl gave me a shower BBBJ, good additude throughout , real massage after sex and stayed full hour without complaints or rushing or playing on her HP, and she was very good looking I would tip above 100k but never otherwise as it would set a bad precedent for other customers. Whatever u give her it really doesn't change how she operates, which defeats the purpose of incentivised tipping when they realize they can still get good tips while being lazy.

When the last time u gave a tip at McDonalds? Does tipping at McDonalds give u a better hamburger or faster/better service? Nope, it doesn't, because the workers there do not have a customer oriented mentality, just like at Classic, they are just mass production factories. however if you feel like paying more you should goto a more expensive restaurant (Malio, Emporium, King Cross) instead of overpaying for standard fast food to get better value.

[Gado2]

Originally Posted by Gikko

Well put bro. I regretted not joining you at CJs the other night. Might learn a thing or two ✌️ Well if tipping less solves the problem, I guess I'll tip less ��

my point is not that you should tip 'less' at Budget quickie places like Classic, but rather that u should tip 'fairly' and not reward bad/lazy behavior. By now u should know the standard SOP routine that merits the standard 100k tip. This amount should be adjust accordingly depending on their service level, not your sympathy for them.

if a girl refuses to BJ/BBBJ, I reduce tip to 50k and tell her why (and this kills the chance of her want to see me again, but so many choices who cares). A few rare times i have given 200k/300k tips when she has gone above the SOP. For example, one girl gave me a REAL massage after sex which was quite nice, another girl let me nonstop porno fuck her 30 min straight , until both of us sweaty mess, while suck her tits and cum in her mouth without complaint. in those rare cases I believe extra tip is earned.

In all cases, it's not the tip amount that affects the service in the room, the chemistry and communication much more important factors.

[narrah]

Originally Posted by Gikko

Noted bro. I've never looked at it that way nor do I compare tips from different clusters of customers. I usually tip based on my experience. �� So you're saying that if you're good looking and you enter an establishment that offers sex services for a price, where the girls survive on tips and some margin, you get treated better than someone who allows them to earn more money? Hmmmm.

IMO, wouldn't the unmemorable service be an effect of low tips by the locals? Maybe they're tired of going an extra mile for a measly tip ��

I guess I haven't been to enough of these establishments ��

My 2c - in general, there's a standard level of tipping for different places (Malio or others, 300K would be quite normal; not for classic).

Look at it this way - would you provide the same $ or IDR tip at McD as you would after a five star restaurant meal?

Being very different for a once-off experience can create future problems both for others and for you; what happens if next time around, you don't enjoy as much, but she expects the same?

There have been times when I've upped the tip; I was a regular with one specific girl at another joint where the chemistry was exceptional, and after the first few sessions I made it a point to provide both higher tips and gifts. But that's an exception, not a norm.

[Vitorloke]

27 July to 30 July I will go travel to Jakarta? Who want to meet?

[davidlah]

Originally Posted by Gikko

Short. FR:
Classic hotel - been here 3 times in the past week. Good price for some beer and fun. Girls can vary drastically. Best bet is to tell the mummy what you want and QC from the lot. Be firm on your rejection because they like to sai nai. Rooms are clean, however can be quite cold, no blanket too. For some reason all the shower head spoilt. Girls don't rush you because theyre hoping for a good tip. I usually tip 300k.

Wow. Just a bit of maths here for those who like to overtip abv the max 100k. If you are tipping 300k, she adds just 200k to her earnings. The girl probably have 8 customers a day, from each customer she would receive her due wage from Classic plus tips. So the additional 200k overtip wont be incentive enough to perform good service other than the SOP. However, it would spoil the market as collateral damage for others. Luckily those who overtip is in the minority. Heard that the Japs have moved to Thailand and South Korean to Phillipines, bringing their huge tips along to those markets. Seems like Singapore overtippers still around in Jakarta.

Hope that explains why girls never hope for overtip by giving good service. They have enough shit customers thatvtreated them badly. Good service happens if you can somehow connect or convince them to give good service by other means except money.

Loke many have said earlier, get the chemistry right, and you get good sex. You cant buy emotional connection using money.

[eugenexlimastar]

Hi everyone. I'm new here and heading to JKT late August. Any recommendations for places with MILFs?

[Gado2]

Originally Posted by eugenexlimastar

Hi everyone. I'm new here and heading to JKT late August. Any recommendations for places with MILFs?

Try BATs , CJs, and HaloMas/Aloha massage

[Luvless]

Last time in Jakarta was 2006. It left me an impression of a dump. Now it still feels like a dump with horrendous air pollution, strewn trashes, dilapidated buildings and chaotic traffic.

Went to B Fashion Hotel in search for a nice massage. Had oily massa for 350k + 200k for HJ. She wanted 700k for FJ and I gladly refused. HJ was served up with a grumpy face.

Went to Classic 2F. Out of about 30 girls only found one semi cute with somewhat Chinese facial features. Most girls in Jakarta are fat, short and dark, all opposite of what I like. Add the fact that usually there is minimal GFE and facilities can’t compare with soapies in BKK, I venture to say i will stick to BKK as my playground.

It is however unmistakingly cheap. But it’s true u get what u pay for.

[Manggis]

Originally Posted by Luvless

It is however unmistakingly cheap. But it’s true u get what u pay for.

It's cheap if you want the ugly girls from the villages at places like Hotel Classic. But there are very nice girls as well for about 20 times the price of a girl at Hotel Classic.

[Gado2]

Originally Posted by Manggis

But there are very nice girls as well for about 20 times the price of a girl at Hotel Classic.

Even 50% higher price have nicer caliber of girls if he did research. WHO CARE ABOUT THIS LAZY JOKER that Judge a city based on a low end brothel for locals and only 2 trips in 13years. Who goto Indonesia and expect chinese gals? let him go Bangkok for soapie and service with fake plastic girls bonked by AngMoh and Blackies all day. Don't need JKT become like BKK.

[otokonoko]

I dug around this thread and mostly found classic and malio etc, any more places to explore around the National monument? Prefer direct kind haha, going there in 3 weeks