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21-12-2017, 02:43 AM
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hahaha; how good is your tieng viet? Consult you? I dunno how well my tieng viet now but i can understand most of their communication. I know vb more than 12 years and H88 didn't recommend any SYT as my bx. I find bx myself. I chiong vn myself is just that i chiong disco more than KTV. Tatime my frd all 50 plus wana to go KTV for a quick fun so i ask his help. tat all. I had change few bx liao cos few yrs ago i know their pattern in & out. Like i said everytime; there are good and bad eggs just that whether you can find the good eggs. Furthermore; im also feel tired of chionging liao thus nowadays i just go tour around vietnam with my bx. Frankly speaking; no point of pointing fingers at others. Like i have issue with this MC; if I was still at 30s; I sure make he pay for what he said. Now; Im start to get old liao; feel that what that point of keep thinking the past problems & errors. Live to the fullest now is the best thing for me cos i dunno when i will burn to ashes. Keep fighting for something empty for wat. keep flaming others for what. KARMA is what i believe cos I see it for myself when l get older
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21-12-2017, 12:45 PM
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I have a sincere question here. Genuine one asked out of concern for a close fren. He has married a VN gal for abt 3 years. But wife still not given PR. She's on social visit pass, renewable every 6 mths (i think).
My fren is a grad earning a stable income of 4k+. However, wife is not highly educated or skilled. Think probably not completed Sec 4 and working in the beauty sector for salary less than 1k. They have no kids. What are the chances of her gettin PR? Does she stand any chance at all even in the near future? Appreciate all advice. 
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21-12-2017, 01:32 PM
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Ma sao khong the tha thu cho nhau mot lan Last edited by naemlo; 21-12-2017 at 01:45 PM.
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21-12-2017, 01:51 PM
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21-12-2017, 01:59 PM
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1. apply LTVP or LTVP+ 2. best make babies...sin gahmen love babies...make sure babies sinkie citizen 3. after 2 years LTVP/LTVP+...then apply PR Like what bro naemlo said...if LTVP cannot approve no point to apply PR... ICA look at almost everything when wife hv no education...recently too many foreigner wife divorce or ran away whereby after getting PR or even before getting...hubby try to cancel LTVP or PR with ICA...so ICA is monitoring if proper nucleus family can last long...
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21-12-2017, 02:56 PM
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How do you know his age? Have you met him? So what karma hit him if I may ask you? Wonder how old are you and still so childish.  Question your IQ and EQ here? 
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21-12-2017, 04:26 PM
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I duwan to side anyone. Similar to duckking, I read the entire thread before I question. I questioned your IQ - you attacked him mercilessly. I questioned your EQ - you were angry with him and seeking revenge. duckking and you mentioned this is free forum and when did points ever matters?
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21-12-2017, 05:12 PM
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You wrote many fictitious allegations but no substantial justifications. I hate clones and liars. So now you think I am one of his clones and reason why I question your IQ.
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21-12-2017, 08:11 PM
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No worries I hv plenty of time at hand for you. All that you post are personal scandalous attack and no basis in allegations. You are just sore that your original nick got banned. This was all your vendetta and nothing to do with Hurricane88 having sex tour or not?
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21-12-2017, 09:16 PM
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I have been on this forum since the 2000s alright. This is my second nick. My first nick, I lost the password, I don't know where it is.
I wrote something today. Hope to share with everyone. It is a summary of what has been said on this thread - peppered with my own views and opinions of course. Feel free to critique! Vietnam On big economy When Vietnam opened up its economy with the Doi Moi reforms of 1986, many observers expected it to prosper along the path of China. Instead, it went down Indonesia’s route, becoming another former poster boy for IMF/WB which ultimately ended in failure. Unlike China (and to a lesser extent Cambodia), which can showcase its Great Wall (Angkor Wat), the Vietnamese were never known to be great builders. Ambitious engineering projects, like the ship building Vinashin company, have failed spectacularly. Vincom is now thinking about making cars, but it is clear that Vietnam’s domestic market cannot sustain an industry by itself; the key is whether Vietnamese companies can reach the level of competing overseas conglomerates and sell itself internationally. One of the issues plaguing Vietnamese economy is that of leadership. Sons and daughters of the top leaders lead a blessed life, and they are given high positions before they have proven themselves. The Vietnamese economy, in my opinion, needs an external stimulus, pretty much like what the Vietnam War has done for Bangkok/Pattaya, and what the Cold war has done for the recovering economics of South Korea/Japan in the aftermath of WW2. But all these are just ifs and buts. In the meantime, I think the Vietnamese economy will just plod along. Every now and then a big investor will come in, but a big show of fireworks and self congratulatory announcements will always be followed by the inevitable time delays, funds drying up, unfinished projects and what have you. On small businesses In China, you cannot do anything without relationships, but the Vietnamese seems to have taken this concept to a whole new level altogether. Positions are given out almost purely based on connections. Without inter govt-govt, govt-business connections, nothing gets done. Existing within this complex network of societal relationships, corruption is the big endemic issue. No business can survive without bribery of some sort of another. Consequently, Vietnamese girls are very good at calculating how much coffee money to give to who – based on positions, relations, rewards, and various other factors that make up the social hierarchy and business community. Any Vietnamese girl worth her salt can do these stuffs very quickly in her head, you can trust the final figure they come up with – it will not be far off the mark. To save face, they sometimes come up with ingenious ways to hide the obvious, like a red packet hidden underneath a flower vase etc. The legal business framework in Vietnam is very much is its infancy stage. Big companies such as corporate banks have been caught with their pants down because they underestimate how little protection they get from Vietnamese business laws. A Singaporean businessman once advised me, “A contract in Vietnam is not worth the paper it is written on. Don’t expect the legal system or the ministries to help you too. They are more perplexing and frustrating then you think. At the end of the day, all you have are your relationships. Never burn bridges...” I think it is sound advice. The issue of face saving is an important sociological concept in Vietnamese society and is worth delving into again. Singviet has mentioned many times how prevalent this concept is, it permeates every segment, every caveat of life in Vietnam. Only one person has argued otherwise (he argued well too), that the concept is a largely superficial one, and has often been overstated. For example, the Vietnamese apparently do not like to ‘lose face’, but they have absolutely no qualm about making you do so. Western writers talking about this concept claimed that this face saving thing is really just an excuse for inefficiency, indecisiveness, and generally not solving any problem altogether. Nevertheless, it is a conspicuous concept in Vietnamese vocabulary, it is how they organise their relationships, their community, and the least any foreigners should do is to spend some time to understand it. Vietnamese grasp on larger economic concepts is on very shaky grounds. Some Vietnamese political leaders have made speeches which astounded international observers because it highlights how financially ignorant they are. These are people in very high positions, but they do not seem to understand how money works at all. As LKY said, the Vietnamese simply cannot comprehend that one happy investor equals to more investors. For them, every time an investor comes in, it is an opportunity to corner him and squeeze him dry. Vietnamese officials, business, the public easily be in cahoots with one another to con a foreigner. On the other hand, I have read a westerner wrote that in six years in Vietnam, he has never paid a single cent of bribe before. Albeit it took him a long time to build any kind of sustainable and meaningful relations, over dinner and coffee etc, with genuine sincerity shown on both sides. Vietnamese also argue that foreigners can be at fault too, overseas investors earn profits but do not want to pay corporate tax. Foreigners think they can just go in, earn money and walk away without giving anything back to Vietnamese society. On views towards foreigners The only people who are able to paint Vietnam onto a romantic canvas are westerners who see everything Asian from an orientalist (exotic) perspective. The rest of us go to Vietnam for very practical purposes, there is no such thing is ‘falling in love’ with Vietnam or whatsoever. In my opinion, Vietnam is one of the most hostile places for foreigners. They spend an inordinate amount of time and energy thinking of creative ways to trap unwary foreigners who are arrogant (unfortunate) enough to step onto their sacred soil. Many have tried to explain this social phenomenon; most attribute it to their war experiences, their heavy sufferings resulting in a complex that the world owes them something. I do not agree with such explanations because it is simply not true, and I caution against going down this path of thought. Intra Vietnamese relations are complicated on another level. The income gap has reached a point where animosity is being fostered at every levels of society. In every social setting, the rich (old) always pays. It is like an impromptu, ad hoc tax on his wealth, the amount varying with each interaction, purpose, setting, and personnel involved. Many travellers to Vietnam have hence advised that if various societal transactions with Vietnamese have made you feel like you were being scammed in some way or another, there is no need to take it personally. It is just the way their society is, and is more an indictment of your wealth and status rather than your nationality. Someone on this thread once mentioned that it is far easier for a westerner to understand Vietnam than a Singaporean, despite our proximity to Vietnamese (Chinese) culture and traditions. I have also read a westerner who once advised never to lose your temper no matter what happens. The Vietnamese are careful not to lose their temper FIRST in front of a foreigner, and you should never do so too. When you show that you are angry, they will know they have bullied you. On family issues Vietnamese girls are close to their parents. Nothing happens between you and the girl without the parents knowing. The Vietnamese also have a comparatively large family; they find solace in community and relationships and take pride in communal living. Vietnamese girls hate being alone – solitude and individualism does not exist in their vocabulary. If you tell a Vietnamese girl that you are travelling/eating/working alone, they look at you in pity, asks you what is wrong, and then think of ways to help you. The Vietnamese penchant for gossip is legendary, almost on par with the Singaporean love for complains. It is amazing the amount of time, energy and effort Vietnamese girls put into this particular pastime, there is not a single caveat of the friends/relatives/family’s life, not a single piece of juicy bits which cannot be dissected, analyzed and discussed to death, with or without a satisfactory conclusion. There is a sociological explanation that gossiping serves a bonding purpose within and among social groups. So it’s more than just fun. And oh, of course it also makes you feel better because you are talking about the failures of other people. Many have also made the observation that Vietnamese girls like to compare – from husband’s salary to types of houses to weight of gold necklace etc. I do not have much experience in this particular aspect of Vietnamese behaviour, so I’ll leave it here. In my opinion, all these are just poor country symptoms – if and when Vietnam becomes a developed country, all these will disappear. To be continued...
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21-12-2017, 09:17 PM
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On Vietnamese girls
Girls come in different types and form, on this thread itself the main divisions are countryside vs city gals, middle income vs low income family, WL vs non-WL. I want to start with the undergraduates – a group which Singviet has mentioned a few times but nobody has picked up upon. It is well known that most people in the HCMC or Hanoi are not from HCMC or Hanoi; they come from the neighbouring provinces. There is a romantic notion surrounding poor young girls from the countryside who struggle to move to the city to pursue their dreams. Ho Mingfong has written a novel based on it – “Sing to the Dawn There are many countryside girls who have moved to the cities to attend universities. I am very impressed by them. Their worldview is small, their knowledge is limited because they come from the countryside after all, but they are young, smart, hardworking, humble and eager to learn. Their intelligence is raw, but they are curious and they put in a lot of work. A young girl once told me that her village school did not teach her much English, so she would practise by standing in front of the mirror and talking to herself. I find it amazing. Many young Vietnamese girls want to learn English for practical purposes, above all the chance to find a foreign boyfriend or husband. Many girls have admitted privately or publicly, that they would always choose to marry a foreigner if they have the chance. Vietnamese men are deemed to be immature, lazy, and irresponsible – many comments have been made about this here. I am not sure the extent of the men’s perceived laziness. Some girls have however told me, that there are a lot more girls in Vietnamese universities than guys. The reason is because the guys don’t work hard enough. Apparently from a very young age, these are all bread and butter, common sense stuffs for Vietnamese girls. It is however, not true that Vietnamese girls will open their legs for the first foreign guy she sees. Many Vietnamese girls have heard of the story of Miss Saigon – young innocent girl who waits in vain for her American soldier boyfriend. Many Vietnamese girls are emotionally torn between wanting to want a foreigner husband and not wanting to become just another ‘Vietnam Girl’. Saying that, they can be very aggressive and pushy when it comes to marriage and commitment issues. Their jealous nature is another point noted frequently in this thread. Another issue discussed often is the way Vietnamese girls view/spend/save money – their outlook on finance. Mostly negative views, it is hard to argue against the views that have been input in this thread. This week tired – so quit job. Next month – find new job. “Why?” “Because I want to buy iphone...” To call it frustrating is an understatement. I remember the way one guy on this thread put it, “Don’t bother, their value system is all screwed up.” I think that about sums everything up. The question then becomes, why are the Vietnamese so bad at finance? Is it due to society, culture, tradition, habits, and lifestyle – or is it in their blood? Does a change of environment help? Can they be taught? If they are already in their 20’s, can they learn? Is it too late? And if so, how? Who can teach and how to teach? And of course the big question – is it all worth it? On Singapore and Immigration A constant theme is how to get Vietnamese wives to Singapore – from social visit pass to long term pass, from seeking MPs help to writing to the press to arguing with the ICA officer, everything has been covered. In my opinion, Singviet’s views and advice on this topic is spot on. I have things to add, but I’ll think I’ll do it in another post. On this topic, it is worth noting a historical lesson. When the boat people reached Singapore’s shore in the 1980’s, we turned them away - for reasons clear and obvious to everyone except the western press. This gives you an idea of how we viewed/view/will view Vietnamese immigrants. For all its worth, we can look at case studies of ‘Vietkus’ in other countries, America or Canada, doesn’t matter. They are into their second generation now, have been given almost everything, but have nothing to show for it. Very few of them have become successful, hardly any go on to prominent positions. I do not think it is a discrimination issue. Make what you want of it. On WLs and Non-WLs It is a long and contentious topic, maybe I’ll write another post. The End Thank you for reading.
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22-12-2017, 07:30 AM
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Read carefully, when did I ever said Hurricane88 is a sex tour agent? If you said so then really up to you because was your own verdict and not mine? I did said you are on personal vendetta and not about anything. You just wanted to discredit him My conclusion - you just a sore loser.
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22-12-2017, 07:38 AM
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You are avoided answering me. At least you are not like 55055 who post contradictory replies. Your personal attack against bro Peacekris and H88 showed you have nothing to backup your allegations. Just pure liars and personal opinions. Let me ask you this, how do you feel if a stranger followed you and attack you without justifications.
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22-12-2017, 08:23 AM
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