Genital herpes Positive - My worst Valentine gift. Don't know how I got it.

[heatingup]

I got to know I am Genital herpes positive on 14 Feb 2008, valentine's day.
My heart was smashed into pieces and I almost cried in the DSC counsellor's room. Till now I am still puzzled when and how I got it.

Let me briefly tell u my limited cheonging experience.

20.09.2006 PRC Jiang Hong. BBBJ but quick capped penetration.
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/welcome-fl-dome-free-stds-included/58828-jiang-pleasant-looking-snrt-prc-2.html#post1659313

06.10.2006 PRC Xiao Ye. Protected BJ and quick capped penetration.
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/welcome-fl-dome-free-stds-included/59708-prc-xiaoye-60-a-post1684284.html#post1684284

15.11.2006. OKT's Thai gal. 2 times capped BJ.

06.01.2007. PRC. Protected BJ.

12.02.2007. PRC. Xiao Yu. Protected BJ.
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/welcome-fl-dome-free-stds-included/65401-cheap-thrills-50-prc-xiao-yu-light-rain-post1857455.html#post1857455

01.03.2007. RTF. PRC Jiang Hong. (See above)

03.05.2007. PRC. Protected BJ.

12.06.2007. Singapore FL. Jessy.
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/welcome-fl-dome-free-stds-included/52647-matured-ol-bbbj-post2092610.html#post2092610

10.10.2007 PRC. groin massage & handjob.
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/welcome-fl-dome-free-stds-included/75916-pretty-plc-complete-package-service-fjbmhjmm-mandhood-massage-post2321578.html#post2321578
For her , I remember that she did not wash her hands before starting groin massage on me and she just had finished with another customer.

Not tried any one since then.

I went to DSC for Oral & Genital Herpes tests on 30 Oct 2007 since have time. Positive for Oral but negative for Genital. Thought very heng.

Late Jan or early Feb 2008, I had pimples on my chest, arms, waist and penis.
As I have atopic dementatis (sensitive skin problem) and out-break often, I though nothing of it. I though my new tremendous work stress triggered them.

On 4 Feb 2008, I had unprotected oral and virginal sex with wife first before using Durex Performa. The next morning, my penis was itchy and I discovered 4 pimples near the base of my penis. More pimples on the skin near the head. I thought I am allergic to local anaesthesia in Durex performa. How CNY was close I thought better to a check up at DSC. Causasian doc said could be Herpes or could be atopic dementatis so better to do a culture test. So it do.

As I know my wife would want sex on Valentine's day, I called DSC and rushed down to get result. Was told to see counsellor. Was told positive for Genital Herpes!!!!!!!!

My last commercial sex - protected oral sex was in June 2006 and my Oct 2007 blood test for genital Herpes was NEGATIVE. Long enough for window period to be over, isn't it? In between only had groin massage & HJ and sex with wife. What went wrong? can groin massage & handjob transmit Genital Herpes?
Can anyone enlighten me?

As my last sex with wife was on 4 Feb 2008 and I already had 2 pimples on my dick, is my wife likely to get genital herpes from me since she did bbbj and i did her raw before putting condom? :(

I am extremely worried as she had said that if I fooled around, she will divorce me and take the 2 kids way. :(

I rejected her sexual advance on 15 Feb 2008 morning and I am still suffering from my primary infection. I don't know for how long I can avoid her...

Before my primary attack started, i hand high anxiety and high stress month and I experienced body ache and flu. That could be the reason of the trigger.
I just read that men usually get 4 to 6 recurrent attacks a year and will decrease as years go by. I have to suffer till I die.

I am going to AFA to do HIV test next week. If thing goes wrong, I won't know how to face my wife and kids. I may commit suicide.

To new cheongers, quit commercial sex.

[lazydudz]

I won't know how to face my wife and kids. I may commit suicide.

To new cheongers, quit commercial sex.
bro don't do rash thing

[sammyboyfor]

I am going to AFA to do HIV test next week. If thing goes wrong, I won't know how to face my wife and kids. I may commit suicide.

To new cheongers, quit commercial sex.

30% to 40% of the sexually active population is infected with HSV2 so don't worry about it.

Most people do not experience any symptoms and don't even know they have it. For more info, go to Home page of the Herpes Viruses Association and Shingles Support Society (http://www.herpes.org.uk/)

[Midnightiger]

Bro,

I'm not trying to be funny here.

It seams that all your commercial sex, you had protection. The only one without protection is sex with your wife. Could it be...? You know what I mean.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be funny. But there ARE cases where the wife also have affairs, not only the husband.

Regards
Tiger

[heatingup]

I rejected her sexual advance on 15 Feb 2008 morning and I am still suffering from my primary infection. I don't know for how long I can avoid her...

I had to physically reject her sexual advance this morning, 17 Feb, saying that my penis was cut by shaving blade when I shaved in the afternoon. So just rubbed her to climax.

Should I just own up to her before she develop any symptoms or wait till she has the symptoms and diagnosed by doctor? She does complain of itch in groin area on and off.
Should I suggest she shares part of the blame?
The reason i eat out is because my wife deprived me for a long period of time.

I posted the following on 11 Oct 2006.

"Sex --> mostly off, rarely on.
Last count is 2.5 months of no-action.
Just requested for her to do HJ for me but been rejected outright, "Don't you know it is very late now? Don't you have to wake up very early in the morning?"
What the fuck!
No FJ, no BJ, no HJ. Sexless marriage!!!
No wonder my premature ejaculation problem deteriorates over the years.
Other guys' stamina get better while mine is the reverse.
Emotionally and sexually frustrating to have such a wife."
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/adult-discussions-about-sex/59097-how-long-did-you-not-have-sex-your-wife-gf-21.html#post1690198

Our second child is born on Jun 2006. A few months after her delivery, after many many traumas at home, absence of child care support, and absence of sex, she told me she felt like committing suicide. Then I realised she is down with post-natal depression.

But when she recovered from postnatal depression, she was busy with the baby and deprived me. I always ask myself during that period, "Why can't she gives me half an hour per week for sex? I don't last very long and, apart from sex, I need her love too". As such, I always reckon my wife to be a good mother but not a good wife.

Now is too late. Don't know how to face her and the kids. Extremely afraid of passing the disease to them, esp kids. :(

[<<<SUCHINDA>>>]

Bro,

I'm not trying to be funny here.

It seams that all your commercial sex, you had protection. The only one without protection is sex with your wife. Could it be...? You know what I mean.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be funny. But there ARE cases where the wife also have affairs, not only the husband.

Regards
TigerGood point brought up by big bro Midnightiger.......:D

[sammyboyfor]

Bro,



It seams that all your commercial sex, you had protection. The only one without protection is sex with your wife. Could it be...? You know what I mean.



When it comes to herpes, condoms don't provide much protection as the virus is transmitted via skin to skin contact in areas not protected by the condom... eg the base of the shaft of the penis and the scrotum.

I have been warning everyone here about the risks of herpes and genital warts for the last 6 years!!!

eg

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/sexual-health-issues/74864-really-nid-very-big-help-all-brothers.html#post2256402
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/sexual-health-issues/68709-question.html#post1955844
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/sexual-health-issues/64052-help-mi-gota-2-question-clarify.html#post1788846
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/sexual-health-issues/42796-herpes-sufferers-fall.html#post1163740
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/sexual-health-issues/3751-possible-get-std-when-capped.html#post64338

The only way to avoid herpes 100% is never to have sex at all and no frenching and blow jobs either.

[heatingup]

Boss,

My last commercial sex - protected oral sex was in 12 June 2007 (not 2006, typo error) and my 30 Oct 2007 blood test for genital Herpes was NEGATIVE. Window period of 2 to 3 months should be over. I should be tested positive for Type II instead. Could there be a chance the blood test be wrong or not enough antibodies to be detected as accurate?

I had groin massage & handjob on 10 Oct 2007. Can it transmit Genital Herpes? If can, won't be able to be detected by blood test since window period not over.
If yes, and if my wife discovers, i will tell her groin massage (which I seek to rectify my serious premature ejaculation) and handjob caused it, not the earlier adventures. I wish to keep my marriage and family intact.
Thank you.

[heatingup]

Bro,

I'm not trying to be funny here.

It seams that all your commercial sex, you had protection. The only one without protection is sex with your wife. Could it be...? You know what I mean.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be funny. But there ARE cases where the wife also have affairs, not only the husband.

Regards
Tiger

Bro Tiger,

I am constantly torn mentally whether to put the blame solely on myself, partly on her as she deprived me for a long period of time, or think that she has been unfaithful and passed Herpes Type II to me.

But for the time being I wish to keep the assumption that I am her only sex partner. I am her one and only boyfriend and we gave each other our virginity after our customary marriage.

Nonetheless, I need to eliminate my doubt by checking her hp.

I personally know of two cases of wife who strayed as their husbands are sexually stronger but did not give them enough attention.

[Show Stopper]

Bro, guess only "White lies" could help to save ur marriage coz i dun think any wife would forgive her husband totally for 'eating out'.

U could tell ur wife u had some Juagen sessions whereby u heard from friend/internet which could help to solve ur premature ejaculation problem gradually. However, u went for a full body check-up and was referred by the doctor to see a specialist and found out tat u have contracted Genital Herpes whereby u have no idea of how u contracted it except tat u went for the Juagen sessions.

Hope it helps and all the best to u. :)

[Robbie_williams]

I had to physically reject her sexual advance this morning, 17 Feb, saying that my penis was cut by shaving blade when I shaved in the afternoon. So just rubbed her to climax.


Should I suggest she shares part of the blame?
The reason i eat out is because my wife deprived me for a long period of time.

"Sex --> mostly off, rarely on.
Last count is 2.5 months of no-action.





Errhh....u said ur wife these few days wanna bonk with u, but u kept rejecting her sexual advances? How cum now she feels like having sex with u? Is it becux she is guilty of what she done? Or has she became more horny with age.....:cool:

[jasont]

Or.....the alternative is that she might not even show symptoms. But if she does, who's to say she'll freak out and go to a doctor about it, she might just see it a irritation and forget about it. Either way, it's no time to freak out.

[Midnightiger]

Bro Tiger,

I am constantly torn mentally whether to put the blame solely on myself, partly on her as she deprived me for a long period of time, or think that she has been unfaithful and passed Herpes Type II to me.

But for the time being I wish to keep the assumption that I am her only sex partner. I am her one and only boyfriend and we gave each other our virginity after our customary marriage.

Nonetheless, I need to eliminate my doubt by checking her hp.

I personally know of two cases of wife who strayed as their husbands are sexually stronger but did not give them enough attention.

Bro,

Whatever it is, you have to face it up to reality. Check with the doctor on how serious Herpes is and whether it will affect your sex life with your wife or how to go about having sex with your wife eventhough you have Herpes.

If both of you can't die of it, then what the hell. Just make sure she's not pregnant again as I believe it will affect your your unborn child if you have herpes or if the herpes is "active" when you are having sex.

But if your wife wants to leave you if she finds out you have Herpes, just too bad. That's reality. If you have Herpes, means you have. Nothing can change it. Just see how best you can make out of the situation.

Take care and regards
Tiger

[sammyboyfor]

The tests aren't 100% accurate. I don't know what tests you went for but both false positive and false negative results are quite common.

From Herpes Serology (http://www.stdservices.on.net/std/herpes/serology.htm)

False negative and false positive results

*

All tests may sometimes give an incorrect result.
*

The current test used by our laboratory service gives a positive result in about 5% of people who do not have HSV infection (this is called a false positive result).
*

The test will give a negative result in 15% of people who really are infected with HSV (this is a false negative result).
*

The herpes blood test varies in its reliability, so the meaning of a test result must be considered along with your medical history.





Boss,

My last commercial sex - protected oral sex was in 12 June 2007 (not 2006, typo error) and my 30 Oct 2007 blood test for genital Herpes was NEGATIVE. Window period of 2 to 3 months should be over. I should be tested positive for Type II instead. Could there be a chance the blood test be wrong or not enough antibodies to be detected as accurate?

I had groin massage & handjob on 10 Oct 2007. Can it transmit Genital Herpes? If can, won't be able to be detected by blood test since window period not over.
If yes, and if my wife discovers, i will tell her groin massage (which I seek to rectify my serious premature ejaculation) and handjob caused it, not the earlier adventures. I wish to keep my marriage and family intact.
Thank you.

[heatingup]

I have been tearing these few days and spending more time with my kids. I become more tolerant of their annoying behaviour. Every time, I hug them, I become more emotional. I once teared in office and my male colleague saw.


19 Feb 2008, Tuesday

I went back to DSC for further checkup, to clarify many doubts, and ask for daily oral suppressive medicine. I was seen by the same Caucasian doc. Said that the culture test is 100% accurate so don’t have to do again.

I told her that my last protected BJ was in early June 2007 and my blood test was in Oct 2007. Only had genital massage and unprotected sex with wife in between. Yet…..

She said that if I had contracted HSV II from last protected BJ, my blood test should have shown. She raised suspicion about my wife too but, knowing my wife, I rejected that possibility.

The doc enquired about groin massage I had. I told her it is genital massage with bare hands that is supposed to treat my premature ejaculation. She said I probably contracted HSV II from genital massage via skin contact from one genital to another. I told her I remember that day she did not wash her hands and I was too shy to suggest that. I asked her that if I should be considered unlucky. She answered yes but she said HSV II is common. Some people get it on their fingers.

I also enquired when am I infectious (during & some days after outbreak. Normal day is just 3-4%), how to prevent transmission (no sex during outbreak & don’t share towel & shaving products), recurrent attacks (first two years more often then reduced).

The doc gave me another dose of antibiotics for standby though I asked for daily suppressive medicine. She suggested I monitor and understand my body better by waiting for another attack (ie. first recurrent attack). She said people have more recurrent attacks in the first two years. Some may have 3 or 4 in a year. Some may have once every month. I have hereditary sensitive skin problem and hereditary arthritis. I will die harder now that with herpes. Then subsequently the body develops resistance to it and thus less recurrence. Nonetheless, sunburn and exhaustion tend to lead to more recurrent attacks.

She suggested my wife to have a blood test.



20 Feb 2008, Wednesday

I went to AFA for HIV test. Being the first-timer for HIV test, I was asked many questions by health counselor. Told him I was just diagnosed with Herpes Type II and I asked him more questions. I told him my last penetration with WL was in Jan 2007 and last protected BJ was in May/June 2007 but my Oct 2007 was negative. I told him about my genital massage. He told me likely to be that as herpes can be passed on by skin to skin contact, not necessarily oral sex or virginal sex though virginal sex was the most common mode of transmission. He also said that some people have herpes on their hands.

My heart pounded for 30 minutes while I waited for my results. I almost collapsed there. Later numbers were called before mine. I thought die liao…

When my number was called, the counselor told me I am HIV NEGATIVE. I was so relieved. He told me to be more careful next time (when I visit WLs). I told him “No more!”


23 February 2008, Saturday
Anyway I have not had any erection since Valentine’s Day, the day I got my Herpes result.

I am going to tell my wife tonight, as I want her to go for a blood test and take precautions for the sake of our kids. I saw a few pimples on my son's forehead this morning and, remembering genital herpes can be on face also, I freaked out and decided to tell her tonight.

Hope she will forgive me, not break up the marriage and family, and keep this secret for me. I don’t want to be condemned by our parents and siblings.


For those who have offered ideas, suggestions and explanations, I thank you very much. But I still have a few critical questions. Brothers please help.

1. Can herpes virus in the body be detected by blood test even though the person shows no symptoms?

2. My handphone is registered under my wife’s corporate account. I am concerned that she would request mobile line provider to provide numbers and content of sms that i sent to FL or masseur. Will mobile line provider like SingTel or M1 be willing or able to provide details of my sms sent last year if my wife requests and pays?

3. My primary attack has started at the beginning of February and my penis still has dried-up pimple scars that have not gone away. Will they disappear completely?

[sammyboyfor]

1. Can herpes virus in the body be detected by blood test even though the person shows no symptoms?

2. My handphone is registered under my wife’s corporate account. I am concerned that she would request mobile line provider to provide numbers and content of sms that i sent to FL or masseur. Will mobile line provider like SingTel or M1 be willing or able to provide details of my sms sent last year if my wife requests and pays?

3. My primary attack has started at the beginning of February and my penis still has dried-up pimple scars that have not gone away. Will they disappear completely?[/B][/COLOR]

The statistics show that only 10% to 15% of people who are infected with herpes ever display symptoms. Most are asymptotic.

I don't think you need to tell your wife. Chances are she is already positive and is one of those who is asymptotic. Just carry on life as normal. You only need to come up with an explanation if she does come down with symptoms... something I doubt will happen but I suggest you cross that bridge when you come to it. She may never have any symptoms and you'll get away scott free if you keep your little secret. :p

Based on what I have read, herpes heals without any scarring.

[heatingup]

25 February 2008, 12.15am

I reminded her of my serious Premature Ejaculation (PE) and told her the types of medicine I consumed these few years. Told her all medicines are of no use, when i saw an internet posting, I went for it once, and did not know whether she washed her hands before treating my groin. I did not feel anything amiss until 5 Feb, the next day after I had sex with her. I told her I went to DSC and doc said could be my sensitive skin problem manifesting on my pubic area and penis. I collected my result after CNY and turned out to be positive. I apologized to her profusely and in tears. I told her I contacted HSV II from the groin massage either the masseuse has it on her fingers or she transplanted the virus from the guy(s) before me to me during the visit last October. I told her it is incurable but non-fatal. However, it involves blisters, ulcers, pain and itch using outbreak.

To my surprise, she told me we are married and should go through anything together. Since the disease is not life threatening, we just have to live with it. I told her I have gone for HIV test and is negative. She added that even if I have AIDS she will live with me. My heart cried in deep regrets and nothing but regrets.

I explained about primary infection and recurrent infections to her and showed her the handouts printed from Internet about HSV II. She suggested we strengthen our body and immunity system so reduce chances and severity of recurrent infections. She added the we need time to be together too, without the kids. My heart melted.

She told me she does not mind my PE problem and she does not have much sexual urge. She continued that many times in the past she was frustrated with my impatience with my kids though I spent only a short time with them. That frustration became the main reason for her not to have sex with me. I was very guilty of my intolerance of nonsense from my kids.

25 February 2008, 6 am

My wife snuggled up to me and told me she wanted sex! I was horrified!!!
I told her to give me a few more days for me to be completely recovered and let the lesions disappear. It is unbelievable that she INSISTED of doing it. I guess she wants to share what i "have" and we manage "it" together. I relented on the condition that I wear a condom.

Before penetration, I inspected her private part and found some pimples and rashes on inner thigh! Guess she was infected by me on 4 Feb and is experiencing a mild outbreak :(

I told myself that all forms of commercial sex is completely out for me, and I strive to be a better husband and father, irrespective whether she deprives me in the future.


I take this episode as a final stop to sexscapdes though it is late for me; but better late than never.

[my23]

hey bro,

based on what ur wife told u, can see tt she loves u very much. i can only say that u're a lucky man to have wife like her...

dun worry so much, okie?
life have to carry on, besides, situation is pretty much under control, isnt it?

juz cherish her, cherish ur family, enjoy ur life, bro!:)


if u worry too much, ppl around u can feel it.
so for ur sake, for ur love ones' sake, relax & be happy! enjoy ur life & be a good husband, good father!

lastly, trust ur doc! i'm sure ur doc can justify the risk level of infecting others & will advice how u could carry on with ur routine life!

u should look at the bright side, this could be an opportunity to make u realize how important ur family is to u:D

Cheers, bro!!! Take care!

[Big Sexy]

wearing a rubber doesnt help at all in your case.
small pimples and rash doesnt necessary mean Herpes..
i suggest you read up more on herpes.




I relented on the condition that I wear a condom.

Before penetration, I inspected her private part and found some pimples and rashes on inner thigh! Guess she was infected by me on 4 Feb and is experiencing a mild outbreak :(

[Orgasdo]

25 February 2008, 12.15am

To my surprise, she told me we are married and should go through anything together. ~~
She suggested we strengthen our body and immunity system so reduce chances and severity of recurrent infections. She added the we need time to be together too, without the kids. ~~

25 February 2008, 6 am
It is unbelievable that she INSISTED of doing it. I guess she wants to share what i "have" and we manage "it" together. ~~



You are a very blessed and lucky man..... I hope i will never see ur nick as active in this forum again... go...leave for good and never be back... the temptation will be too much for you to handle....... and all the best..

[Big Sexy]

visiting this bbs doesnt mean we have to get ourself involved in commerical sex. self control and responsibility matters more when it comes to commerical sex temptation.

We could indeed learn and share more by visiting this bbs. :D



. I hope i will never see ur nick as active in this forum again... go...leave for good and never be back...

[catlover]

25 February 2008, 12.15am

I reminded her of my serious Premature Ejaculation (PE) and told her the types of medicine I consumed these few years. Told her all medicines are of no use, when i saw an internet posting, I went for it once, and did not know whether she washed her hands before treating my groin. I did not feel anything amiss until 5 Feb, the next day after I had sex with her. I told her I went to DSC and doc said could be my sensitive skin problem manifesting on my pubic area and penis. I collected my result after CNY and turned out to be positive. I apologized to her profusely and in tears. I told her I contacted HSV II from the groin massage either the masseuse has it on her fingers or she transplanted the virus from the guy(s) before me to me during the visit last October. I told her it is incurable but non-fatal. However, it involves blisters, ulcers, pain and itch using outbreak.

To my surprise, she told me we are married and should go through anything together. Since the disease is not life threatening, we just have to live with it. I told her I have gone for HIV test and is negative. She added that even if I have AIDS she will live with me. My heart cried in deep regrets and nothing but regrets.

I explained about primary infection and recurrent infections to her and showed her the handouts printed from Internet about HSV II. She suggested we strengthen our body and immunity system so reduce chances and severity of recurrent infections. She added the we need time to be together too, without the kids. My heart melted.

She told me she does not mind my PE problem and she does not have much sexual urge. She continued that many times in the past she was frustrated with my impatience with my kids though I spent only a short time with them. That frustration became the main reason for her not to have sex with me. I was very guilty of my intolerance of nonsense from my kids.

25 February 2008, 6 am

My wife snuggled up to me and told me she wanted sex! I was horrified!!!
I told her to give me a few more days for me to be completely recovered and let the lesions disappear. It is unbelievable that she INSISTED of doing it. I guess she wants to share what i "have" and we manage "it" together. I relented on the condition that I wear a condom.

Before penetration, I inspected her private part and found some pimples and rashes on inner thigh! Guess she was infected by me on 4 Feb and is experiencing a mild outbreak :(

I told myself that all forms of commercial sex is completely out for me, and I strive to be a better husband and father, irrespective whether she deprives me in the future.


I take this episode as a final stop to sexscapdes though it is late for me; but better late than never.


you are the luckiest man on earth. I salute you for having such a wife. She is rare indeed so treasure her as much as you can.

[Insider]

Wow, this is a wakeup call to all samsters .... :rolleyes:

[Book-keeper]

I sympathy with you and glad that you have a caring wife. The reason for me to start astray is also due to sexually frustrating. Reading your post is a wake up call for me. Please continue to share with us on how you are coping with herpes with your wife.

Thanks.

[sexytoy.com.sg]

Man you have a wonderful wife and I can tell from your posting that you will live life better that before you get infected. With the kids and wife by your side.

[nacho]

Your story really scared me. I must think seriously to quit commerical sex to avoid getting myself trapped in this situation.

Please update us how your family and you will go forward from here.

Thanks for sharing.

[sean69]

wow.. what a real life story from a samster... after reading thru, it really got me thinking about going for commercial sex... while the pleasure and excitement is there, I had never really thot about the implications and consequences if I contacted STD/HIV and pass it to my wife...

guess it is time to seriously think about "retiring" from commercial sex ...

[Boost]

Scary...
I have barely started cheonging... maybe its time to quit...

But it is heng suay... yes? Some guys cheong for years and years yet never get anything...

Think I should go for a check up soon. :o

[ironmaiden89]

yr thread is rather an emotional one. i too, have just got married and will surely learn from yr lesson. Am very happy for you that you have such a lovely wife. Will pray that you don't do any more commercial sex anymore..

stay clean bro..

[mock]

I got to know I am Genital herpes positive on 14 suicide.

To new cheongers, quit commercial sex.

Hi, I am visiting Singapore on March 8,9,10,11. For the last one month I have been fantasizing on having sex outside my marriage for the first time ever. I too am married and have a son. My marriage is also pretty sexless, average of less than once a month, same old stuff again and again so i was looking forward to something like this.

However your post has highlighted one thing - is that 90 minute session and those probably 10 seconds in all of orgasm worth risking health, safety, marriage, trust, kid, career - everything? no way. I think the best way is to tell my wife how I feel, and if that doesn't work, then just rent the best porn movies I can and masturbate.

Thank you for your message and I hope you get well. reading your message, is it possible you contracted from your wife? I believe you should sit down and speak to her. good luck !

[kelvindartz]

Bro. thanks for having this thread. I have added this into my subscribed thread and will be reading about the developments. Your experience made me realise the reality of life and to luv & treasure my gf. May god bless u too.

[blondes]

i also recently got into a FL.
raw with her. so stupid of me. caught by my wife from sms & she copy my storage card that store where we go, which hotel, her name & tel & etc..... i smart. but she more smarter. . press me till corner.
until i cannot tahan. i told her all story. thought game over liao..
surpraise she forgave me. & even can have sex with me raw !
i am so touched. but i decided not to have sex with her till i went for a HIV test.

recently felt my penis abit itchy. cha 6 liao....

i hope anything i got. i wont pass to my wife. she is a lovely girl. hope god bless her... pls . any kind hearted pls pray for her. i alone mistake. i die alone... pls quiit all bro... play play.. but remember yr limits..

this is my first & last time. very scaring !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-SBF-]

recently felt my penis abit itchy. cha 6 liao....

i hope anything i got. i wont pass to my wife. she is a lovely girl. hope god bless her... pls . any kind hearted pls pray for her. i alone mistake. i die alone... pls quiit all bro... play play.. but remember yr limits..

this is my first & last time. very scaring !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bro,how come is dick itchy?Did you go for a test?Hope everything is fine for you and wife.Cheer!!!

[TonyMontana]

thanks for sharing... rly feel for u... hope that everything will be ok

take care ! =)

[aczeta76]

Never go raw.. bad for the girl, u and if u have wife.. all three persons.

Play safe and be responsible

[mock]

25 February 2008, 12.15am

I take this episode as a final stop to sexscapdes though it is late for me; but better late than never.

Well I must say that you are very luck to have such a wife, most wives would have sliced your balls off. You should thank God that you have been given a second chance, and bro, nothing is more important in life than family, remember it

[heatingup]

I want to thank many bros for your well wishes and compliments. A kind bro advised me through PMs to consume Herpanacine, which has a high level of L-lysine, to lower recurrent attacks.

“Success of L-lysine therapy in frequently recurrent herpes simplex infection.”
Dermatologica. 1987;175(4):183-90.
“L-Lysine appears to be an effective agent for reduction of occurrence, severity and healing time for recurrent HSV infection.”
Success of L-lysine therapy in frequently recurren...[Dermatologica. 1987] - PubMed Result (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3115841)


“Effect of L-lysine-A-oxidase on the development of genital herpes infection in guinea pigs”
Abstract: Positive effect of local treatment with L-lysine-a-oxidase on the course of herpes genital infection was demonstrated on guinea pigs even after the appearance of infection symptoms. In animals treated with L-lysine-a-oxidase, the severity of the disease, virus reproduction and virus-induced changes in cells were significantly less pronounced than in untreated animals. The preparations exerted no toxic effects.
SpringerLink - Journal Article (http://www.springerlink.com/content/f8v3j7420x5317t7/)


Many thanks to you. You know who you are.



A quick update for all.

My primary infection took 3.5 weeks to clear. During this period, I experienced flu-like symptoms, depression, and had suicidal thoughts. Definitively one of the low points in my life.
As you should have known by now, my wife did not over-react. Nonetheless, a few thoughts still persist and I would to voice them out.

1.
There is an old saying, “An apple a day keeps the doctor away.” My parallel is, “A penetration a week keeps infidelity and STIs away.” Sadly, my wife did not understand such parallel and the logic behind it. I was started to cheong, my main motivation was of course sexual depravation. I was a good guy when my wife was pregnant twice and couldn’t have sex due to medical reasons. I did not blame her. Sometimes could still coax her to give me handjobs. However, the last straw that broke the camel’s back was the persistent sexual depravation after her second pregnancy. I started cheonging with vengeance in my mind. “I cannot last long in bed. Hence what so difficult about sparing me 15-20 mins per week in bed? You have been so difficult and have not been doing your conjugal duty as a wife. So, should I stray, don’t blame me.” In fact, I had shared my premature ejaculation woes with 3 female colleagues & friends. Till today, objectively speaking, I wonder am I entirely to be blamed or should she shoulder half of the blame.

2.
My wife is now more open or I should say proactive in sex. After I broke the bad news to her, there were twice she suggested we become cosy or she snuggled up to me. Whether she genuinely want me or feel remorseful for her past depravation towards me thus tries to make up to me now, I really don’t know. I don’t know how to ask her without provoking any backlash. Nonetheless, I feel it is too late (see point 4).

3.
I love bbbj more than penetration as I love the moist, pressure and suction of a hardworking mouth. I don’t dare to request my wife to do it for the fear that she may acquire HSV II from my penis and when she kisses the kids, she will pass the virus to them, causing them irreversible harm. For the same set of fear, I don’t dare to go down on my wife. In other words, oral sex and 69 now are a no-go. I miss 69. Any suggestion how can I have oral sex without getting genital herpes on mouth?

4.
Whenever I think about the fact that I am HSV II positive or look at my cock when I urinate or bathe, I feel really lousy. My self-esteem hurts. My objective self + virus = low subjective self/low self-esteem. That feeling sucks.

5.
I read a few times regarding the suggestion or hypothesis that my wife may be the actual culprit but does not show any symptoms. While for the time being there is no evidence to suggest so, I am prepared to keep an open mind for such an even more unfortunate event. Hopefully not. Don’t want a double tragedy.

6.
That brings me to my next point. Hypothetically, if a friend or a colleague I like let me get close to her physically or even fuck her, being HSV II positive, I actually don’t have the heart to screw her for the damage I may bring to her.

7.
I hope that my wife has been faithful to me and is not the cause of my genital herpes. Otherwise, I would not know how to react and who to screw, now that commercial sex is out for me and I don’t have any fuck buddy or fling.


Best wishes to all.

[massageboy666]

I want to thank many bros for your well wishes and compliments. A kind bro advised me through PMs to consume Herpanacine, which has a high level of L-lysine, to lower recurrent attacks.

“Success of L-lysine therapy in frequently recurrent herpes simplex infection.”
Dermatologica. 1987;175(4):183-90.
“L-Lysine appears to be an effective agent for reduction of occurrence, severity and healing time for recurrent HSV infection.”
Success of L-lysine therapy in frequently recurren...[Dermatologica. 1987] - PubMed Result (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3115841)


“Effect of L-lysine-A-oxidase on the development of genital herpes infection in guinea pigs”
Abstract: Positive effect of local treatment with L-lysine-a-oxidase on the course of herpes genital infection was demonstrated on guinea pigs even after the appearance of infection symptoms. In animals treated with L-lysine-a-oxidase, the severity of the disease, virus reproduction and virus-induced changes in cells were significantly less pronounced than in untreated animals. The preparations exerted no toxic effects.
SpringerLink - Journal Article (http://www.springerlink.com/content/f8v3j7420x5317t7/)


Many thanks to you. You know who you are.



A quick update for all.

My primary infection took 3.5 weeks to clear. During this period, I experienced flu-like symptoms, depression, and had suicidal thoughts. Definitively one of the low points in my life.
As you should have known by now, my wife did not over-react. Nonetheless, a few thoughts still persist and I would to voice them out.

1.
There is an old saying, “An apple a day keeps the doctor away.” My parallel is, “A penetration a week keeps infidelity and STIs away.” Sadly, my wife did not understand such parallel and the logic behind it. I was started to cheong, my main motivation was of course sexual depravation. I was a good guy when my wife was pregnant twice and couldn’t have sex due to medical reasons. I did not blame her. Sometimes could still coax her to give me handjobs. However, the last straw that broke the camel’s back was the persistent sexual depravation after her second pregnancy. I started cheonging with vengeance in my mind. “I cannot last long in bed. Hence what so difficult about sparing me 15-20 mins per week in bed? You have been so difficult and have not been doing your conjugal duty as a wife. So, should I stray, don’t blame me.” In fact, I had shared my premature ejaculation woes with 3 female colleagues & friends. Till today, objectively speaking, I wonder am I entirely to be blamed or should she shoulder half of the blame.

2.
My wife is now more open or I should say proactive in sex. After I broke the bad news to her, there were twice she suggested we become cosy or she snuggled up to me. Whether she genuinely want me or feel remorseful for her past depravation towards me thus tries to make up to me now, I really don’t know. I don’t know how to ask her without provoking any backlash. Nonetheless, I feel it is too late (see point 4).

3.
I love bbbj more than penetration as I love the moist, pressure and suction of a hardworking mouth. I don’t dare to request my wife to do it for the fear that she may acquire HSV II from my penis and when she kisses the kids, she will pass the virus to them, causing them irreversible harm. For the same set of fear, I don’t dare to go down on my wife. In other words, oral sex and 69 now are a no-go. I miss 69. Any suggestion how can I have oral sex without getting genital herpes on mouth?

4.
Whenever I think about the fact that I am HSV II positive or look at my cock when I urinate or bathe, I feel really lousy. My self-esteem hurts. My objective self + virus = low subjective self/low self-esteem. That feeling sucks.

5.
I read a few times regarding the suggestion or hypothesis that my wife may be the actual culprit but does not show any symptoms. While for the time being there is no evidence to suggest so, I am prepared to keep an open mind for such an even more unfortunate event. Hopefully not. Don’t want a double tragedy.

6.
That brings me to my next point. Hypothetically, if a friend or a colleague I like let me get close to her physically or even fuck her, being HSV II positive, I actually don’t have the heart to screw her for the damage I may bring to her.

7.
I hope that my wife has been faithful to me and is not the cause of my genital herpes. Otherwise, I would not know how to react and who to screw, now that commercial sex is out for me and I don’t have any fuck buddy or fling.


Best wishes to all.


What were the initial symptoms that made you see DSC in the first place?

Did you experience pain during urination etc ?


Thanks for sharing and stay strong

[Orgasdo]

A quick update for all.

.....


Best wishes to all.

I dunoe why....... but somehow after reading ur update.. i have the feeling you will be back on the cheong scenes but choeng with more caution...maybe not now... but it wont be too long as well....

Hope that i am wrong... and all the best to stay clean.

[mock]

I dunoe why....... but somehow after reading ur update.. i have the feeling you will be back on the cheong scenes but choeng with more caution...maybe not now... but it wont be too long as well....

Hope that i am wrong... and all the best to stay clean.


I had the same feeling, but I too hope I am wrong. Bro, you were given a second chance, very few people get that, so don't succumb to temptation and abuse it.
Also, just think that by Cheonging again you would be putting the FL / etc at risk, and in turn, putting other cheongsters at risk - that in itself is a crime, especially since you already know it.

B est of luck

[Book-keeper]

Any suggestion how can I have oral sex without getting genital herpes on mouth?


Use CD for BJ?

[heatingup]

I had the same feeling, but I too hope I am wrong. Bro, you were given a second chance, very few people get that, so don't succumb to temptation and abuse it.
Also, just think that by Cheonging again you would be putting the FL / etc at risk, and in turn, putting other cheongsters at risk - that in itself is a crime, especially since you already know it.

B est of luck

Rest assured. I won't cheong again. I had been very careful when cheonging. I did not cheong much and opted mostly protected bj. Yet...

Genital herpes ulcers made me more susceptible to HIV. I won't want to contract that fatal disease. Second chance does not come easy. I won't want to blow it.

I am spending my limited free time reading up books on early childhood development, sending my kid to enrichment class during weekends, reading story books to them at night, playing with them, and chatting with OC on work and kid management and development. Since I brought my kids to this world, it is my responsibility to educate and nurture them with love.
My kids are my top priority now :)

[sammyboyfor]

My kids are my top priority now :)

If your kids are really your top priority, you should be planning to do whatever it takes to get them out of that shithole.

There is no future for them in Singapore. The region is inherently unstable and Singapore is not going to last much longer.

Get out while you can.

[nacho]

If your kids are really your top priority, you should be planning to do whatever it takes to get them out of that shithole.

There is no future for them in Singapore. The region is inherently unstable and Singapore is not going to last much longer.

Get out while you can.

I have this same thinking too. Telling my childern to either stay in London or NY. At least being a 2nd class citizen there is not so hurting than in Singapore.

[sammyboyfor]

I have this same thinking too. Telling my childern to either stay in London or NY. At least being a 2nd class citizen there is not so hurting than in Singapore.

You are out of date. Whites are fast becoming the minority in NY, London and other large cities around the world. All races have equal opportunity.

In Singapore, you are 3rd class citizen. You rank way below the PAP elites and Foreign talent.

[nacho]

Genital herpes ulcers made me more susceptible to HIV. I won't want to contract that fatal disease. Second chance does not come easy. I won't want to blow it.

So much for your Herpes.

How is your ED now? Did you manage to overcome it?

[nacho]

You are out of date. Whites are fast becoming the minority in NY, London and other large cities around the world. All races have equal opportunity.

In Singapore, you are 3rd class citizen. You rank way below the PAP elites and Foreign talent.

Looks like home games I loose, away games also I loose.

Foregin talents are really taking away jobs from the locals. Life for us will be super tough. I hope PAP loose many seats in the next election to listen to the people. Till now, I dont have a chance to vote, everytime walkover.

[heatingup]

What were the initial symptoms that made you see DSC in the first place?

Did you experience pain during urination etc ?


Thanks for sharing and stay strong

My initial symptoms were strong itch and 2 clusters of pimples which developed into blisters. No pain or puss during urination.

No pain throughout. I guess is because the blisters appeared at the base and middle position of my penis, not the cock head. I wonder those on cock head are painful when the blisters become ulcers.

Follow this link.
DSC (http://www.dsc-sexualhealth.com.sg/tpl/common_infections_gh.php)

[xxxnoobxxx]

bro heatingup.

I ve decided to quit the scene after reading your post. Thank you for writting this here and im so happy that your wife forgive you. May god bless you forever.

question: for everytime you cheong, did you always do BJ and FJ with condom and also no fingering, kissing, frenching?

if you did, the chances for getting any STD is very low, right? correct me if im wrong... :confused:

And to share my experience to all bro. I started my commercial sex since i found out there are some "problems" on my spinal cord and i would be unable to walk and erect. It is a complicated medical case and i do not want to explain it here. My walking and erect ability are getting weaker and weaker, and doctor said there is no 100% sure to recover even after surgical treatment. And what i was thinking on that time was:" what the XXXX, im not even 30 yrs old and i get this and my only sex partner is my girlfriend. she is the only one girl in this whole world i had sex with...". by then my attitude changed as i know there is a very low possibility that i could recover. I would like to spend some money to try other girls, touch difference boobs. "what for i had earn myself alot of money but im not able to fuck/walk anymore?" that is what always cross my mind.

i want to stop here and ask bros here: IF You facing the same problem like me, what would you think/do??? am i forgivable?

sorry bro heatingup that i think i better start my own thread... :(

[sammyboyfor]

question: for everytime you cheong, did you always do BJ and FJ with condom and also no fingering, kissing, frenching?

if you did, the chances for getting any STD is very low, right? correct me if im wrong... :confused:



The use of condoms significantly lowers the risk of many STDs. However, genital herpes and genital warts are transmitted by skin-to-skin contact via areas not covered by a condom.. eg the base of the penile shaft and the scrotum.

Condoms therefore do not provide much protection from HPV and HSV 1 & 2.

[Eastpipper]

i got a scare a few months ago also which make it quit commercial sex scene.

I am glad u related your experience to all bros here which might have encouraged them to really quit as well.

Take care bro, esp ur kids.

[heatingup]

New York Times
March 12, 2008

Sex Infections Found in Quarter of Teenage Girls
By LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN

The first national study of four common sexually transmitted diseases among girls and young women has found that one in four are infected with at least one of the diseases, federal health officials reported Tuesday.

Nearly half the African-Americans in the study of teenagers ages 14 to 19 were infected with at least one of the diseases monitored in the study — human papillomavirus (HPV), chlamydia, genital herpes and trichomoniasis, a common parasite.

The 50 percent figure compared with 20 percent of white teenagers, health officials and researchers said at a news conference at a scientific meeting in Chicago.

The two most common sexually transmitted diseases, or S.T.D.’s, among all the participants tested were HPV, at 18 percent, and chlamydia, at 4 percent, according to the analysis, part of the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey.

Each disease can be serious in its own way. HPV, for example, can cause cancer and genital warts.

Among the infected women, 15 percent had more than one of the diseases.

Women may be unaware they are infected. But the diseases, which are infections caused by bacteria, viruses and parasites, can produce acute symptoms like irritating vaginal discharge, painful pelvic inflammatory disease and potentially fatal ectopic pregnancy. The infections can also lead to longterm ailments like infertility and cervical cancer.

The survey tested for specific HPV strains linked to genital warts and cervical cancer.

Officials of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the findings underscored the need to strengthen screening, vaccination and other prevention measures for the diseases, which are among the highest public health priorities.

About 19 million new sexually transmitted infections occur each year among all age groups in the United States.

“High S.T.D. infection rates among young women, particularly young African-American women, are clear signs that we must continue developing ways to reach those most at risk,” said Dr. John M. Douglas Jr., who directs the centers’ division of S.T.D. prevention.

The president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Cecile Richards, said the new findings “emphasize the need for real comprehensive sex education.”

“The national policy of promoting abstinence-only programs is a $1.5 billion failure,” Ms. Richards said, “and teenage girls are paying the real price.”

Although earlier annual surveys have tested for a single sexually transmitted disease in a specified population, this is the first time the national study has collected data on all the most common sexual diseases in adolescent women at the same time. It is also the first time the study measured human papillomavirus.

Dr. Douglas said that because the new survey was based on direct testing, it was more reliable than analyses derived from data that doctors and clinics sent to the diseases center through state and local health departments.

“What we found is alarming,” said Dr. Sara Forhan, a researcher at the centers and the lead author of the study.

Dr. Forhan added that the study showed “how fast the S.T.D. prevalence appears.”

“Far too many young women are at risk for the serious health effects of untreated S.T.D.’s, ” she said.

The centers conducts the annual study, which asks a representative sample of the household population a wide range of health questions. The analysis was based on information collected in the 2003-4 survey.

Extrapolating from the findings, Dr. Forhan said 3.2 million teenage women were infected with at least one of the four diseases.

The 838 participants in the study were chosen at random with standard statistical techniques. Of the women asked, 96 percent agreed to submit vaginal swabs for testing.

The findings and specific treatment recommendations were available to the participants calling a password-protected telephone line. Three reminders were sent to participants who did not call.

Health officials recommend treatment for all sex partners of individuals diagnosed with curable sexually transmitted diseases. One promising approach to reach that goal is for doctors who treat infected women to provide or prescribe the same treatment for their partners, Dr. Douglas said. The goal is to encourage men who may not have a physician or who have no symptoms and may be reluctant to seek care to be treated without a doctor’s visit.

He also urged infected women to be retested three months after treatment to detect possible reinfection and to treat it.

Dr. Forhan said she did not know how many participants received their test results.

Federal health officials recommend annual screening tests to detect chlamydia for sexually active women younger than 25. The disease agency also recommends that women ages 11 to 26 be fully vaccinated against HPV.

The Food and Drug Administration has said in a report that latex condoms are “highly effective” at preventing infection by chlamydia, trichomoniasis, H.I.V., gonorrhea and hepatitis B.

The agency noted that condoms seemed less effective against genital herpes and syphilis. Protection against human papillomavirus “is partial at best,” the report said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/science/12std.html?hp

[heatingup]

recently felt my penis abit itchy. cha 6 liao....

i hope anything i got. i wont pass to my wife. she is a lovely girl. hope god bless her... pls . any kind hearted pls pray for her. i alone mistake. i die alone... pls quiit all bro... play play.. but remember yr limits..

this is my first & last time. very scaring !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bro blondes,

Have u gone for any tests?
What is the outcome?


Best wishes.

[heatingup]

1.
I had my primary attack from 5 to 25 Feb, about 3.5 weeks.

On 7 March, I experienced flu-like symptoms and low-watt electric currents (see below) again.
On 10 March, I experienced intense itch (like what I had during my primary attack) and saw a pimple on my penis. I wonder is it my first recurrent attack.
If yes, then it is really too near; only 2.5 weeks after my recovery.
The pimple has subsided but not disappeared.
Can anyone comment?


2.
I can't help wondering who did I get the infection from.
I feel that it is likely from a juagen session.
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/welcome-fl-dome-free-stds-included/75916-pretty-plc-complete-package-service-fjbmhjmm-mandhood-massage-4.html#post2321578
As I have mentioned before, the lady did not wash her hands and i was stupid enough not to insist, thinking that no sex and therefore no risk involved.

I remember mentioning to my cheonging friend (a SBF member too) that I had weird feeling in my right leg some days after my juagen session. Like having low-watt electric currents running through the back of my right thigh and knee. Told him that maybe she did not pull my vein correctly and had injured it. I had juagen by An An (the former JG queen at 30A) and did not have similar aftermath. He told me to monitor my situation.

After reading up more about genital herpes and the symptoms, I feel that the JG lady is the source.

Frequently asked questions (http://www.herpes.org.uk/faq.html#24)

24 - I sometimes get odd feelings/pains around my buttocks or down one leg. What does this mean?
Occasionally, herpes simplex virus can cause ‘burning skin’ sensations, deep aches or sudden twinges in the genital area. When they occur in the thighs or buttocks, they are sometimes compared to ‘sciatica’. These symptoms are called prodromes – or prodromal symptoms. They are a sign that the virus is trying to reactivate. Sometimes sores will follow, but very often your immune response overcomes the virus before visible signs appear.

Sad to say, due to hereditary reason, I have low immunity level. I experience these prodromal symptoms (low-watt electric current sensation) many times everyday and know that "that stupid thing" is trying to come again :(

Feel so sad......

[heatingup]

So much for your Herpes.

How is your ED now? Did you manage to overcome it?

Not ED. Premature eja.

With 2 FLs, with condom and yet lasted less than 2 mins.

With OC is usually being starved for more than a week.
bbbj first then jap 003 condom, lasted 3-4 mins.
Without bbbj, 4-5 mins.
If is second time in a week, can last slightly longer, 5-7 mins.

I bought a rubber pussy from a sex shop 2 years ago to train myself and to relieve, since wife was not providing. Nonetheless, i was too deprived and cummed within 20 strokes of pulling and pushing. Very upset and demoralised. So started cheonging. Only bros with sexually unresponsive and unobliging wife will understand how i felt.

[centuri]

I have been actively reading this forum for the past few years from previous years when the board was a different one.

I would just like to say that I have tried to quit many times and I am still trying... However after reading your story, I am even more determined to quit.

The first time I cheonged I freaked out so much cause it was not a House girl but a FL from the streets. I had no idea then and just wanted to try out. Little did I know that one time encounter would lead me to several years of fighting my inner conscience on what was right and wrong. This I would like to concur is a matter of ones personal opinion.

Although I thought having a girlfriend would stop me from continuing my second life. It still continue and I am very ashamed of myself and unable to face my girlfriend or even my family if I were to contract some form of disease. Hence, I understand where you are coming from and I am totally supportive of what you are doing.

There is a saying that goes 'Once bitten Twice Shy.' I would like to today stop and quit what I am doing instead of getting bitten.

I have a huge problem which I must admit is sex addiction and the adventure/adrenalin I get from it. Especially from commercial sex. I am dreadful of what the future might hold for me even though I have used a condom for every single sexual activity I have done with a WL. The fear is always still there.

I will set up a thread where everyone can monitor my progress on quitting commercial sex or rather all kinds of illicit sexual activities. I hope that all brothers who want to quit will join me on this form of 'Quit Sex Addiction therapy.'

[Book-keeper]

Only bros with sexually unresponsive and unobliging wife will understand how i felt.


Understood totally. This is the same reason for me to cheong...

You get a wife who may not be the prettiest or sexiest but you just wish for one thing... To get the bonking that you need. I doesn't mean once or twice a day... Just don't reject us too often... Both of us are working and definitely will be tired... Don't push to weekend... And when weekend comes, we may be tired again and missed the action and need to wait for another week...

I sometime wonder if Singaporean Women need to be educated on this issue...

[HellMonster]

jus a curious question.having a few white spots which look like pimples on penis mean herpes??

[heatingup]

jus a curious question.having a few white spots which look like pimples on penis mean herpes??

For my case, the process is pimples --> blisters --> ulcers --> scary skin.

[HellMonster]

wat abt other cases ?straight away scary skin?so how long it become scary skin from pimples?mean the weeks..

[municum]

Bro

I am glad that you told your wife because you don't want to infect her if you have not already. It is true that if your wife is pregnant and have a baby, the baby can get infected so, you really have to be very careful.

Genital herpes take sometime to incubate so, you did not get it from your wife immediately after sex, so I don't think it can be from her. If she had it, she will have complained of pain and itchiness in her vagina already to you unless she knows it and did not bother which I do not think a wife will normally do that. Careful Condom handling is very important so don't think that having a condom means that you are very safe.

Genital herpes is known to gradually subside through the years in carriers (sometimes it does not come back at all) and actually bro, it is very common in the world, so no need to be so negative about everything.

I have friends who have this problem and they are not in anyway inferior, so bro, you need to get your emotional life together.

What you really need right now is a very good counsellor (for both you and your wife) to get grips of the situation. This may actually help your marriage a lot, I can tell you.

It does take sometime to get over it. Seek forgiveness not only from your wife but also yourself and from God. Then, don't CHEONG again for your own and family's sake........

[sammyboyfor]

jus a curious question.having a few white spots which look like pimples on penis mean herpes??

Do a test.

[anchor868]

Bros
Thanks for sharing with us. Personally i learnt alot. Like all bros, we have needs. And one of them is sexual needs. I,myself, wanted to completely give up all commercial sex. But it is very difficult as we keep giving ourself excuses. However, after reading your sharing, it gives me more determination to do so. It is better to masturbed off and regret later.

Thanks again.

[Huluman]

jus a curious question.having a few white spots which look like pimples on penis mean herpes??


May be PPP ..harmless..
if they are lined up in a nice row at the edge of the Head

[HellMonster]

if one 2 pimples is harmless..jus to get more knowledge abt it.if is jus a pimples plus urine don have the burning sensation mean nothing??

[spboy]

Bro,

Thanks very much for sharing your story. I just want to add in my own experience here for more bros who are still contemplating to quit...

I've been in the cheonging scene for quite some time. Maybe 4yrs or so. I became more active in it after my wife got pregnant with my our son. Even before that, we seldom had sex. More like we did it to get her pregnant. Should I put some blame on her at all for my now cheonging addiction? In fact about 2yrs ago, I contracted some kind of STD. The doc didn't tell me what it was, and it just went away after medication. It hasn't recurred since then, and I've continued cheonging after awhile. Trust me, the feeling when you were having wild thoughts whether you'd HIV or STDs was terrible then. I told myself I would stop cheonging. But, sadly, I returned to it. Many bros here will curse me for not learning from mistake. What I want to say here is that it is easier said than to do (quit) it. After reading your story, I'm thinking again to quit. But, I doubt if I can last it. You need alot of determination, plus other factors (your relationship with your wife and family, your sexual urges, etc).

Bros who are contemplating to quit, I hope you get your will to do so. I didn't have that.

Sorry, if my story sounds discouraging to many. But, just really wanted to say something after coming across this thread...

[heatingup]

if one 2 pimples is harmless..jus to get more knowledge abt it.if is jus a pimples plus urine don have the burning sensation mean nothing??

What u can do is:

1. Read FAQs from Herpes Viruses Association (HVA) and Shingles Support Society web site
Home page of the Herpes Viruses Association and Shingles Support Society (http://www.herpes.org.uk/)
Frequently asked questions (http://www.herpes.org.uk/faq.html)


2. Go to DSC, see the doc, and request for all the tests that they provide.
DSC (http://www.dsc-sexualhealth.com.sg/tpl/healthscreening.php)

Hope the info helps.

Take care.

[heatingup]

For bros who have read my postings, I thank u.
If u are determined to quit commercial sex, please persevere even though u may have an unresponsive, unobliging and unreasonable wife.
If u have not, please read my experience again. I kena despite my limited FJs & BJs.

Don't let 10-30 min of sex and 10 sec of cumming lead to lifelong regret and dangers to your family.

[heatingup]

Bro

I am glad that you told your wife because you don't want to infect her if you have not already. It is true that if your wife is pregnant and have a baby, the baby can get infected so, you really have to be very careful.

Genital herpes take sometime to incubate so, you did not get it from your wife immediately after sex, so I don't think it can be from her. If she had it, she will have complained of pain and itchiness in her vagina already to you unless she knows it and did not bother which I do not think a wife will normally do that. Careful Condom handling is very important so don't think that having a condom means that you are very safe.

Genital herpes is known to gradually subside through the years in carriers (sometimes it does not come back at all) and actually bro, it is very common in the world, so no need to be so negative about everything.

I have friends who have this problem and they are not in anyway inferior, so bro, you need to get your emotional life together.

What you really need right now is a very good counsellor (for both you and your wife) to get grips of the situation. This may actually help your marriage a lot, I can tell you.

It does take sometime to get over it. Seek forgiveness not only from your wife but also yourself and from God. Then, don't CHEONG again for your own and family's sake........

Bro municum,

Thank u for your kind words and advice.
I guess the first few years and the frequency of recurrent infections will be a constant dark reminder to me. Will have to live with the virus since it is incurable for the time being. Hope advanced medical science will bring a cure for genital herpes soon.

As I have related, my wife took my explanation at face value and did not probe much further. Maybe as a bro stated in his PM to me that women prefer to believe in white lie than to face the ugly truth. So far, managed to keep my marriage more or less intact. Hence don;t need to see a marriage counsellor.

Won't cheong anymore. Freaked out already.

U take care too.

[municum]

There is a cream and also tablets named Zovirax which is quite effective and there are also some cheaper variants that can be used. Your skin specialist can help you in this area.

Don't worry about recurrent infections. Rather treat it like a common cold. After all, you do get the common cold off and on and no one worries about it. The herpes virus is a "cold" virus similar to the chicken pox family. Just be careful and make sure that you don't infect your loved ones. That is a big "no no".

From your posts, I see that you are really traumatized by what happened, so I really recommend that you talk to a counsellor whom you can trust and lay down your burdens once and for all. Life is more than a mistake made and so, get on with it and go on from there.

Take care bro

[heatingup]

There is a cream and also tablets named Zovirax which is quite effective and there are also some cheaper variants that can be used. Your skin specialist can help you in this area.

Don't worry about recurrent infections. Rather treat it like a common cold. After all, you do get the common cold off and on and no one worries about it. The herpes virus is a "cold" virus similar to the chicken pox family. Just be careful and make sure that you don't infect your loved ones. That is a big "no no".

From your posts, I see that you are really traumatized by what happened, so I really recommend that you talk to a counsellor whom you can trust and lay down your burdens once and for all. Life is more than a mistake made and so, get on with it and go on from there.

Take care bro

What cream and where to get?

I am most concerned with my kids. Hope I did not and will not pass to them.
I wash my hands with hand soaps many times a day though i should not, given my dry skin condition.

[municum]

This is a very common cream and you can get it from any pharmacist. If you want to save some money, ask for a variant that can work just as well. They Pharmacist will definitely be able to assist you.

No need to wash your hands like mad if you did not touch your pimples on your didi. Another thing I was told that can help and is cheap (but can be painful) is applying tea tree oil (buy from any Guardian Pharmacy, etc) on the infected part which promotes healing. Most people use the cream and/or take the tablets. Usual vitamin C tablets and common multi vitamins also help to promote healing.

Bro, don't get too worried. Just make sure that you wash your hands (no need 10 times lar!!) before you play with your kids

[municum]

Oops, missed what you were asking. I mean Zovirax cream

[heatingup]

Oops, missed what you were asking. I mean Zovirax cream

Many thanks. Will look for it over the weekend.
Enjoy your weekend. Good night. :)

[Papaya]

heatingup,

1) dont worry, herpes wont kill u. Its like oral herpes but just that this lies in ur dick.

2) based on ur encounter, yes.. they was a chance u got it from ur chionging.. HOWEVER, from what I learn about herpes it is very very seldom HSV-2 get from mouth to dick/dick to mouth. In theory it does, but practically its much more difficult for it to happen.

As a receiving end of a oral sex (ie bj), u are at the risk of HSV-1. Here's why: when a person giving bj to a HSV-2 +ve person, her mouth will get the virus but HSV-2 does not like to stay in month area for unknown reason to many health professional. Therefore the virus does not shed and tranmission from there on is much much harder (see this HSV 2 risk from recieving brief oral sex - STDs - MedHelp (http://www.medhelp.org/forums/STD/messages/754.html) , look at the doc's reply)

Ppl who get HSV2 normally engage in unprotected anal or vergina sex.

Since you have protected BJ, the chances of HSV2 infection is pretty much slim.. even people get BBBJ risk mostly HSV1 infection and HSV2 is rather uncommon (but still possible). But knowing u are protectec, you shld access the other possibilities of u getting it.

what i am saying is HSV2 via oral is possible in theory, but many reliable website such as Medhelp did say that they never seen once that happens

So with ur history you posted in the 1st post, it seem you are more likely expose to HSV1 and genital warts (due to unprotected area by comdon).

Not to bring up any problem, and I am also glad ur marriage is saved. But did you ever think there might me a mild chance u got it from your wife? i mean she might be faithful, but how about times BEFORE your marriage?

as for woman, herpes is much more assymtomatic in Woman then man... so she might not hv known it if she got it prior knowing u (general health chk dont chk herpes types also).

I am no doctor, but i read a lot about herpes and i asked some doctors also... I still can be wrong.. but I am posting this to highlight what I understands about herpes tranmission, hope you dont mind.. not trying to pour oil into fire but I think you and everyone deserve to know

more reading to understand herpes 1 and 2 and their difference:

HSV1 vs. HSV2 (http://www.herpesonline.org/hsv1vs2.html)
Can one with HSV2 really give/receive unprotected oral sex? - STDs - MedHelp (http://www.medhelp.org/forums/STD/messages/4032.html)

[heatingup]

Dear all,

Pls help.

I saw blisters on my kid's left hand last week and I thought nothing of it. Today I encountered this website containing herpes pictures on arm and hand and jumped up!

Herpes Pictures (http://www.herpes-coldsores-treatment-pictures.com/?aid=47&gclid=CKKuy4WajpICFRs9bwodfXr8-Q)

Then I took several pictures of my kid's left hand and posted the best one here. I also saw similar but less severe blisters on my kid's right hand.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/heatingup/Hands.jpg

Do anyone think I have unknowingly passed herpes to my innocent one?
I am so worried.

I am thinking of bringing him to see a GP but i have to tell the doc I am suffering from HSV 2. Very embarrassing and awkward.

Any opinion and suggestion?

[Papaya]

See a GP to ease ur mind.. but u ask me, its not herpes from u. HSV to hand is again possible but very rare.. and many even say impossible

Hands to genital accordingly never happens (Asymptomatic HSV2 shedding on hand - STDs - MedHelp (http://www.medhelp.org/forums/STD/messages/2961.html)), so u can also assume genital to your hand, then to your son's hand is virtually impossible.

Think again if its really possible, then this world will hand ppl having herpes all over their body.

hope this relaxes your concern.

[Papaya]

7.
I hope that my wife has been faithful to me and is not the cause of my genital herpes. Otherwise, I would not know how to react and who to screw, now that commercial sex is out for me and I don’t have any fuck buddy or fling.



Bro i been reading this thread 2 times, hoping not to miss any details. If your encounter is true from what you paste in your #1 post. Then I remain my view in my previous page's long post.

I am not sure why doctor agreed that u get it from HJ, but I am sure he/she is not a marraige breaker so he/she will just go along with the assumption and continue to treat ur outbreak.

HSV-2 chances of a BBBJ is already low as its almost always HSV-1 infection
HSV-2 chances of a protected BJ makes it every lower to get any HSV-1
HSV-2 chances of a HJ is said by a few (incl DSC Q&A page) that is not possible and no documented cases, only by theory its possible)
HSV-2 to your kid is something never ever happens unless kids sexual abuse. (all minor with HSV-2 +ve is sexual abuse by medical term, just for u to know, so if ur kid REALLY has HSV-2, bro u gonna jail.. YES ,that's how is being interpreted)

so it now boils dn to your wife whom is the only person hving raw sex with u. If I am u, even if she pass it to u I will forgive my wife as much as how she forgave u, come on la.. her previous relationship before you has nothing to do with not being faithful to u.

I am not too concern with ur herpes bro.. ITS REALLY NOT A SERIOUS MATTER for u go be +ve, esp in Singapore with so much medical access. It wont kill u, it wont cause ur dick not able to stand (unless ur mind is depress like how u feel now), it wont even cause any major damange with some exception (Hey, even HSV1, where 70% ppl get it by 50 will also infect ur crucial vain/brand/eyes and will cause serious illness, but its rare and very rare in most causes so same as HSV-2 infection).

So, as we are all man, I think you shld ask ur wife her past sexual history in truth, truth!!!!! . This is NOT to lay finger on her and say her fault, but at least you get a clearer mind that if u get it from her, THEN YOU SHLD BE FEELING LESS GUILTY AND FEELING LIKE SHIT NOW. While on the other hand, FORGIVE HER AS ITS THE PAST and move on.

Bro, I am not doctor, i am not nurse. I really just want to help and tell u some facts here. Dont see me as trying to give u more problem via accusing your wife as the one infect u. I think for u to know the truth, it will do better for you and your relationship. As at this point for u, truth and support is the best medic for ur mental depression over such incident.

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See my embedded response in blue. Thanks.

Bro i been reading this thread 2 times, hoping not to miss any details. If your encounter is true from what you paste in your #1 post. Then I remain my view in my previous page's long post.

I am not sure why doctor agreed that u get it from HJ, but I am sure he/she is not a marraige breaker so he/she will just go along with the assumption and continue to treat ur outbreak.

My only 2 FJ with FLs are as follow:
20.09.2006 PRC Jiang Hong. BBBJ & short capped FJ. Less than 1 min. As I did not have sex for more than 2 weeks then.
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/welcome-fl-dome-free-stds-included/58828-jiang-pleasant-looking-snrt-prc-2.html#post1659313

06.10.2006 PRC Xiao Ye. Protected BJ & fast capped FJ. Less than 1.5 min & was scolded by her.
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/welcome-fl-dome-free-stds-included/59708-prc-xiaoye-60-a-4.html#post1684284

One more time of BBBJ. 01.03.2007.

The rest are capped bj. Limited frequency too. My workload is very heavy.

Groin massage and handjob on later Sep or early oct 2007.
Blood test at DSC on Oct 2007 was negative for Herpes 2.

But symptoms (pimples on chest, waist and penis) appeared in early Feb 2008.

Based on my Oct 2007 negative blood test result and absence of commercial sex thereafter, DSC's Dr Alison Ward deduced that the most probable cause is infection via groin massage and handjob.

HSV-2 chances of a BBBJ is already low as its almost always HSV-1 infection
HSV-2 chances of a protected BJ makes it every lower to get any HSV-1
HSV-2 chances of a HJ is said by a few (incl DSC Q&A page) that is not possible and no documented cases, only by theory its possible)
HSV-2 to your kid is something never ever happens unless kids sexual abuse. (all minor with HSV-2 +ve is sexual abuse by medical term, just for u to know, so if ur kid REALLY has HSV-2, bro u gonna jail.. YES ,that's how is being interpreted)

so it now boils dn to your wife whom is the only person hving raw sex with u. If I am u, even if she pass it to u I will forgive my wife as much as how she forgave u, come on la.. her previous relationship before you has nothing to do with not being faithful to u.

Many bros have raised is point and I accept the logical reasoning of it.
Nonetheless, as I had mentioned before, I am my wife's first, one and only bf. We did not have sex with anyone else before we lost our virginity to each other.

If she has or had been unfaithful, I will forgive her, just like how she forgave me, and we will start afresh.

Despite saying that, I will step up my surveillance of her. She is in a sales job since last year and does meet many guy clients and colleagues.

I am not too concern with ur herpes bro.. ITS REALLY NOT A SERIOUS MATTER for u go be +ve, esp in Singapore with so much medical access. It wont kill u, it wont cause ur dick not able to stand (unless ur mind is depress like how u feel now), it wont even cause any major damange with some exception (Hey, even HSV1, where 70% ppl get it by 50 will also infect ur crucial vain/brand/eyes and will cause serious illness, but its rare and very rare in most causes so same as HSV-2 infection).

Though herpes is not fatal, I don't wish anyone or my kids to get it from me, esp my son. He is the only male in my extended family line.

So, as we are all man, I think you shld ask ur wife her past sexual history in truth, truth!!!!! . This is NOT to lay finger on her and say her fault, but at least you get a clearer mind that if u get it from her, THEN YOU SHLD BE FEELING LESS GUILTY AND FEELING LIKE SHIT NOW. While on the other hand, FORGIVE HER AS ITS THE PAST and move on.

Bro, I am not doctor, i am not nurse. I really just want to help and tell u some facts here. Dont see me as trying to give u more problem via accusing your wife as the one infect u. I think for u to know the truth, it will do better for you and your relationship. As at this point for u, truth and support is the best medic for ur mental depression over such incident.
Don't worry. I know u meant well and I appreciate your responses very much. God bless everyone.

[nacho]

Not ED. Premature eja.

With 2 FLs, with condom and yet lasted less than 2 mins.

With OC is usually being starved for more than a week.
bbbj first then jap 003 condom, lasted 3-4 mins.
Without bbbj, 4-5 mins.
If is second time in a week, can last slightly longer, 5-7 mins.

Bro, just to find out a bit more about your pre eja.

1) Are you above 40 years?
2) Is your job very stressful?
3) Are you under pressure at home about your relationship with your wife?
4) Any other problems that are constantly stressing you?

These could be the root of the problem for your pre eja.

[municum]

Bro

You are suffering from a case of "worse case scenario". Just go to a doc - or if you are worried, see a skin specialist about your son's condition. I don't think it is your herpes problem. Children have allergies too like ezema (not sure if I have the spelling right) so don't think you have passed something on to your kids. For your information,it is not easy for you to pass your herpes to your kids unless they touch your dick directly - if that never happened (I think it never did, right??), you cannot pass it to them or else you must be the most contagious person in the world.

Hey bro, go and seek some specialist advice so that you can lay to rest all your fears. I know it can be stressful but you gotta get over this fear syndrome.

Remember, herpes only strike when you are all stressed out and you should really try and relax and enjoy life - easier said than done but you got to get out of the "witch hunting mode" OK???

Take care bro.:)

[Papaya]

bro heatingup:

I am studying your case on how you get it.. can I ask u one quick question?

I understand that:
12/6/07 u had capped BJ
10/10/07 u got HJ
***30/10/07 tested and negative for HSV2***
4/2/08 u had raw sex with wife.

I guess ard early Feb 08 u tested in DSC and HSV2 positive?

beside the unprotected sexual encounter on 4/2/08 with ur wife, did u have any unprotected sex with ur wife (or anyone else) btw 30/10/07 to early Feb 08?

as I am still very surprised u get HSV2 with what u history described..

[Papaya]

sORRY.. it should read:

beside the unprotected sexual encounter on 4/2/08 with ur wife, did u have any unprotected sex with ur wife (or anyone else) btw 30/8/07 to early Feb 08?

[heatingup]

sORRY.. it should read:

beside the unprotected sexual encounter on 4/2/08 with ur wife, did u have any unprotected sex with ur wife (or anyone else) btw 30/8/07 to early Feb 08?

Thank u for following this thread.

Nope. i only had unprotected sex with wife since protected BJ with local FL in June 2007 and handjob on Oct 2007.

My Feb 2008 DSC culture result is -
HSV Type 2 - Oral --> Negative, Genital --> positive.

[heatingup]

My Feb 2008 DSC culture result is -
HSV Type 2 - Oral --> Negative, Genital --> positive.

If i remember the above highlighted in purple correctly as I was in a depression.

[Papaya]

Thank u for following this thread.

Nope. i only had unprotected sex with wife since protected BJ with local FL in June 2007 and handjob on Oct 2007.

how often, may I ask? meaning to say from around 30 Aug 2007 (or early Sep 07) until late Jan/early Feb 2008, did u have multiple unprotected sex with your wife
(NOT counting the one you mentioned that you had on the 4 Feb 2008, as that one is too soon to give u a Herpes outbreak with HSV2 positive in Feb 2008)



My Feb 2008 DSC culture result is -
HSV Type 2 - Oral --> Negative, Genital --> positive.

HSv2 positive dont different itself in oral or genital, as HSV blood test dont pin point the location, only chk u hv HSV1 or 2 or both or non at all. while HSV2 outbreak only or almost only has outbreak in genital so surely urs is no exception and happens in genital area only.

[heatingup]

I found the following articles on genital herpes for those who are interested in know more.

The Journal of the American Medical Association. Pdf files.

Genital Herpes - Basic info.
Graphics are horrible.
Genital Herpes -- 285 (24): 3212 -- JAMA (http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/285/24/3212)

Treatment option and life after infection.
Genital herpes -- 280 (10): 944 -- JAMA (http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/280/10/944)



Journal of Infectious Disease. 2002 Oct 15;186 Suppl 1:S34-9
Genital shedding of herpes simplex virus among men.

Epidemiologic studies suggest that most sexual transmission of genital herpes occurs when persons shed virus but lack lesions. This study assessed 79 men (63 with a history of genital herpes simplex virus [HSV] type 2 infection, 5 with a history of genital HSV-1 infection, and 11 with HSV-2 antibodies but no history of genital herpes) and obtained daily swabs for viral culture. HSV was isolated at least once from 60 (81%) HSV-2-seropositive men. The total viral shedding rate in HSV-2-seropositive men was 5%; the subclinical shedding rate was 2.2%. Of 11 HSV-2-seropositive men without a genital herpes history, 7 recognized typical recurrences and HSV was detected in 10. The shedding rate among men with genital HSV-2 was significantly higher than among men with genital HSV-1 infection (odds ratio, 4.4; 95% confidence interval, 1.2-15.3). The frequency of viral shedding in men with genital herpes appears comparable with that in women.

Genital shedding of herpes simplex virus among men. [J Infect Dis. 2002] - PubMed Result (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12353185?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA)


New England Journal of Medicine. 2000 Mar 23;342(12):844-50
Reactivation of genital herpes simplex virus type 2 infection in asymptomatic seropositive persons.

BACKGROUND: Most persons who have serologic evidence of infection with herpes simplex virus (HSV) type 2 (HSV-2) are asymptomatic. Historically, it has been assumed that these persons have less frequent viral reactivation than those with symptomatic infection.

METHODS: We conducted a prospective study to investigate genital shedding of HSV among 53 subjects who had antibodies to HSV-2 but who reported having no history of genital herpes, and we compared their patterns of viral shedding with those in a similar cohort of 90 subjects with symptomatic HSV-2 infection. Genital secretions of the subjects in both groups were sampled daily and cultured for HSV for a median of 94 days.

RESULTS: HSV was isolated from the genital mucosa in 38 of the 53 HSV-2-seropositive subjects (72 percent) who reported no history of genital herpes, and HSV DNA was detected by the polymerase-chain-reaction assay in cultures prepared from genital mucosal swabs in 6 additional subjects. The rate of subclinical shedding of HSV in the subjects with no reported history of genital herpes was similar to that in the subjects with such a history (3.0 percent vs. 2.7 percent). Of the 53 subjects who had no reported history of genital herpes, 33 (62 percent) subsequently reported having typical herpetic lesions; the duration of their recurrences in these subjects was shorter (median, three days vs. five days; P<0.001) and the frequency lower (median, 3.0 per year vs. 8.2 per year; P<0.001) than in the 90 subjects with previously diagnosed symptomatic infection. Only 1 of these 53 subjects had no clinical or virologic evidence of HSV infection.

CONCLUSIONS: Seropositivity for HSV-2 is associated with viral shedding in the genital tract, even in subjects with no reported history of genital herpes.

Reactivation of genital herpes simplex virus type ...[N Engl J Med. 2000] - PubMed Result (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10727588?ordinalpos=14&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum)

[RogerChongZY]

Dear all,

Pls help.

I saw blisters on my kid's left hand last week and I thought nothing of it. Today I encountered this website containing herpes pictures on arm and hand and jumped up!

Any opinion and suggestion?

Bring kid to a GP. Could be a case of Hand foot mouth disease that is commom amongst kids. Nothing to be shameful or shy esp your wife also aware of your conditions.

[heatingup]

[QUOTE=Papaya;2644474]how often, may I ask? meaning to say from around 30 Aug 2007 (or early Sep 07) until late Jan/early Feb 2008, did u have multiple unprotected sex with your wife
(NOT counting the one you mentioned that you had on the 4 Feb 2008, as that one is too soon to give u a Herpes outbreak with HSV2 positive in Feb 2008)

Not possible to recall exactly how many times between early Sep 2007 and Jan 2008. However, safe to say probably 2 times a month only.

[heatingup]

Bring kid to a GP. Could be a case of Hand foot mouth disease that is commom amongst kids. Nothing to be shameful or shy esp your wife also aware of your conditions.

Wife had brought kid to a GP. She did not tell the GP I have HSV II.
GP said is allergy. Now the blisters are subsiding. Hopefully not HSV II or HFMD.
Thanks for your concern. :)

[Papaya]

Thks bro heatingup for ur answers. Its for my own study only. if u still wondering how u get it, do PM me and let me state my findings for a case like yours.

Wife had brought kid to a GP. She did not tell the GP I have HSV II.
GP said is allergy. Now the blisters are subsiding. Hopefully not HSV II or HFMD.
Thanks for your concern. :)

Dont worry, your son won't get HSV2 from u on daily life activities. Other stuff i duuno, but never HSV2. And if he get HSV2 positive at child age, u better start preparing, as police will be called in for sexual abuse.

if any worries u still hv, feel free to post here or pm me. will be glad to help out anyone in stress.

[JediSkull]

i understand tat sharing of towels can also pass this virus......... if tat's the case, will washing of clothes in same washing machine pass the virus? how strong is the virus? seems that herpes is more resilent to destruction, unlike hiv which is dies off after awhile when exposed to air.

[heatingup]

i understand tat sharing of towels can also pass this virus......... if tat's the case, will washing of clothes in same washing machine pass the virus? how strong is the virus? seems that herpes is more resilent to destruction, unlike hiv which is dies off after awhile when exposed to air.

Herpes Viruses Association
FAQ Number 16 -
Can I catch herpes simplex off towels, cups, or anything?

The virus is caught off the skin, not from objects. It is a delicate virus and dies quickly when away from the skin where the sore is.

Frequently asked questions (http://www.herpes.org.uk/faq.html)

Nonetheless, a DSC doc told me not to share bath towel with my kids as virus may survive longer on wet or damp towel.

[everywhere]

heatingup, just a heads up: i just found out that Lysol disinfectant spray can kill HSV-1 and HSV-2, it's stated right there on the bottle. you may wish to get a bottle for your home to spray on some places where both you and your kid may come into contact. probably not necessary but it may help you feel more at ease.

[heatingup]

heatingup, just a heads up: i just found out that Lysol disinfectant spray can kill HSV-1 and HSV-2, it's stated right there on the bottle. you may wish to get a bottle for your home to spray on some places where both you and your kid may come into contact. probably not necessary but it may help you feel more at ease.

Thanks for the recommendation. I never know that is such a thing.
I have physical contact with my young kids everyday. I carry and hug them. However, after being diagnosed as HSV Type 2 positive, I don't kiss them anymore as I did oral sex with my wife the night before my outbreak; more as a form of precaution for the kids :(

Thanks again. U take care.

[SamsungBoy]

Bro, take care and all the best!
Hope you recover fast.
The best is, stop surfing this web, so you will not be tempted

[virginboy926]

Majority, between husband and wife on sexual relationship. it's due with communication problem.

You've to open up to your wife and yourself more.

As an advice, Herpes is not life threatening, but, for cautious, i suggest you can have a check up regularly with your GP about yours condition maybe every 3 months. Just some consultation, won't burn alot.


However, it's may not be a must to subdue the occurance of the outbreak as some of the episode come and goes within few days, but, it may or maynot causing some difficulties in your daily life.

Regardless of that, you've childrens. Therefore that my 2 cent's of advice.

Your doctor may prescribe antibiotics as a backup.

because, you've mention about yours sensitive body immune systems issue.




anyway, i was moved by yours wife words.

indeed, you're one of the lucky man of the world.

I am staying single.
i do admit stray around with protected commercial sex.

But herpes and Genital warts are very common.

therefore, you've to know what type of risk you maybe getting, even in legalise commercial sex scene.

sometimes, if you are out for commercial sex, there are thousand of ways to say no to yourself, if you're married.

but as a man, there always a urge and desire for excitement on opposite sex.
it's in our native instinct behaviours.

Don't be guilty and blaming yourself. What happened had been history.

Move on and be a better man.









25 February 2008, 12.15am


To my surprise, she told me we are married and should go through anything together. Since the disease is not life threatening, we just have to live with it. I told her I have gone for HIV test and is negative. She added that even if I have AIDS she will live with me. My heart cried in deep regrets and nothing but regrets.


.

[virginboy926]

Herpes Viruses Association
FAQ Number 16 -
Can I catch herpes simplex off towels, cups, or anything?

The virus is caught off the skin, not from objects. It is a delicate virus and dies quickly when away from the skin where the sore is.

Frequently asked questions (http://www.herpes.org.uk/faq.html)

Nonetheless, a DSC doc told me not to share bath towel with my kids as virus may survive longer on wet or damp towel.

You only need to do that when there are outbreak. Actually, some doctor may or may not knowns, it really depend on the humidity of yours environment.

The research for herpes is always in quatitative form.

The percent of transmitting disease from wet towel to one another is not zero percent. but very low.

Very hard to justify, will it be transmitted or not.

But i always have a practise, of using seperate towels even though with family. Perhaps, For hygiene reason


For HIV, there are experiment done on toothbrush.

As we brush out teeth, we often encounter our gum bleed, so will it transmit the disease when we share the brush with a carrier?

Well, chance are couple of percent only. When and Where the variable comes in. which you and me, maybe confuse about that. Or probably asking " What the hell ? "

So The best way is to take precautions.

[sammyboyfor]

As an advice, Herpes is not life threatening,

You cannot say "As an advice" as "advice" is non count noun (http://www.chompchomp.com/terms/noncountnoun.htm).

The correct term is "As a piece of advice.".

[penitent]

I've been HSV positive for a few years now... learning to cope with it...

A few things to share:

1. It gets better over time. Outbreaks become less frequent and less painful or severe each time. Also, the duration of the outbreaks shorten.

2. Stress and over-exertion brings an OB. So watch your time management to avoid unnecessary stress. Spend time for personal health maintenance like light sports and relaxing. I find swimming to be extremely beneficial.

3. Poor diet brings an OB. Watch wat you eat. Avoid foods that contain high caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, chilli and spices. Avoid high arginine foods. Drink lots of water especially on hot days.

4. Have a supply of medication ready at hand plus the cream for applying. Valtrex is good drug which I always have at hand cos its effective and dun have to take many times a day. But it's also the expensive one around. At the first sign of an OB, take one every 12 hours until you feel alright again... then continue for another 2-3 days before you ease off the medication.

5. Use separate towels and cups for hygiene purposes. I recommend those smaller towels so you can use once, wash once. Dun hang there and run the risk of your kids using them.

6. Wash your undies separately. Or if unavoidable, I usually will pool my undies and towels together in one pail, and add a full kettle of boiling water with washing powder, let it soak for 15 minutes, then wash with rest of my family's clothes... no virus can survive tat...

7. Some herbs and supplements may help. But the verdict is still out. They are: Olive Leaf Extract, L-Lysine. Don't take them together. That is, if you're on one, dun take the other.

8. Lastly, dun worry too much... it adds to point number 2: Stress!!! I've learned to deal with it and still live a pretty much normal life (with my wife's forgiveness). Also, remember these OBs will decrease in time in both frequency and duration, also will become almost non-painful. So hang in there, time will be to your advantage.

and yes... we really do need a support group for herpes sufferers in sg. A web thread like this is great. Let's keep this thread alive!

All the best.

[lim_gordon]

Hi Bro,

I also have oral herpes, once it very rarely breaks out, only when I am damn stressed. Got it from my dad when I was young I think, sharing straws :confused:

I've heard that oral herpes can pass on to genital herpes so sometimes BBBJ is quite risky if the girl has a small breakout of herpes, theres a chance it could pass on to you.

Always use a condom!

[AfA_hmor]

thanks pentient. Think some bros here could find your info here really helpful. :)

[xiaoquan]

hi bros, i had my first try yesterday and was already feeling guilty about doing it, cause I'm dating a girl currently. the reason for me to try out commercial sex, its just curiosity.

what we did was BJ, french and vaginal sex wth CD.

had been feeling moody for the entire day, when i see her i just feel like telling her what i did and apologized to her. I fear of contacting some sexual diseases, which i hope i don't.

can someone advise me what to do? should i go a checkup asap?

This is my first, and last time! :(

[xiaoquan]

hi bros, i had my first try yesterday and was already feeling guilty about doing it, cause I'm dating a girl currently. the reason for me to try out commercial sex, its just curiosity.

what we did was BJ, french and vaginal sex wth CD.

had been feeling moody for the entire day, when i see her i just feel like telling her what i did and apologized to her. I fear of contacting some sexual diseases, which i hope i don't.

can someone advise me what to do? should i go for a checkup asap?

This is my first, and last time! :(

[69kmph]

Had a terrible scare recently as I have been following this thread. In the past month, I developed itchiness around the groin area and there were some patches. Was too busy at work to see the doctor until recently. He took one look, without taking any tests, confirmed it is a simple case of fungal infection. Heng ah!

Are there any medical professionals out there reading this who can advise how to prevent fungal infection around the groin area? I take shower and change underwear everyday. Does the use of hotel towels spread fungal infection? Thanks

[penitent]

hi bros, i had my first try yesterday and was already feeling guilty about doing it, cause I'm dating a girl currently. the reason for me to try out commercial sex, its just curiosity.

what we did was BJ, french and vaginal sex wth CD.

had been feeling moody for the entire day, when i see her i just feel like telling her what i did and apologized to her. I fear of contacting some sexual diseases, which i hope i don't.

can someone advise me what to do? should i go for a checkup asap?

This is my first, and last time! :(


Well, do you feel or see anything wrong?

Firstly, if you can actually feel pain, itchiness, fever etc, go see a doctor immediately.

Secondly, if you don't feel anything but is worried still, go for a checkup for STDs plus HIV blood test at 6 weeks after suspected exposure.

Thirdly, go for the same tests again at 3 months.

Then you're safe.

Cheers

[heatingup]

Update & questions

1.
I am surprised to see thread has more than ten thousand hits :)

2.
My wife has been sexually obliging & proactive lately. 2 times sex in 3 days. Seems like honeymoon time.
There were twice she agreed to sex but after sleeping for a few hours. she sexually assaulted at 4 am when my cock was hard. she even did cowgirl, something she had not done for years.
During the second assault, i lasted for more than 30 mins, something i have not achieved for ages. No premature ejaculation problem.
So, if she had been obliging, not necessarily proactive, all these years, i would not have to eat out, risk myself, & contacted HSV II.
I am still bitter about it.

3.
I need first hand info.
Though I have had my primary infection/outbreak, I am not sure for secondary/recurrent outbreaks.
I read that if an outbreak is coming or if there is asymptomatic genital shredding, the person will have a weird pricking sensation or a mild electric current passing through at his thighs and back.
My problem is I keep having this weird pricking or mild electric current passing through sensation at my thighs and sometimes at my back many times almost everyday. So am I having asymptomatic genital shredding everyday?
I need people who have first hand info to share with me or PM me.

4.
16 April, 3 am.
I woke up at 3 am and found out I was scratching my balls unknowingly. then i turned around and touched my wife who was sleeping beside me. To my surprise, my daughter was sleeping on top of my wife's chest and my hand touched her head/forehead/face. I was too tired and sleepy to figure out.
I also can't remember which hand i used to scratch my balls (and cock?) and touched her head/forehead/face.
I have been worrying this 7 am of 16 April.

Hopefully my kids are safe from my disease.

[LTKay]

Read your queries and thought I'd add my comments. Like yourself I have HSV and fully understand how you're feeling.

Regarding your secondary outbreak, here are some pointers:
1. It should occur at the same or close to your primary attack.
2. You may feel some slight itch or tingling sensation. In my case I did. It's similar to the itchy feeling you had in your primary attack.
3. Suggest at this stage you avoid sex till certain.
4. Check the area where your initial primary attack occurred for slight lesions or inflammation. If its your secondary attack these will develop into herpes sores over the next few days.
5. Once you've confirmed, start taking your meds. They help.
6. Should be over in 5 to 7 days.

Good news is it won't be as painful as the first time. Hurts a lot less. And not as traumatic psychologically.

Asymptomatic shedding means there are no symptoms. There are no indications and you won't be aware that the virus is active and on your skin.

A large part of the trauma most HSV sufferers go through is mental. I think you need to look at it in perspective:

The positive bits:
1. It's not fatal.
2. It doesn't cause cancer or organ failure.
3. Doesn't cause any long term physical damage to your health.
4. Doesn't cause long term medical complications.
5. As long as your outbreaks are confined to your genitals, no one can tell you have HSV.

The negative bits:
1. It hurts. (But pain lessens with future outbreaks. And the meds help.)

2. Can't be cured. You'll live with recurring attacks rest of your life. (But outbreaks lessen over time. And with meds it should clear within a week.)

3. When the virus is active, you're contagious and can infect others. (This is probably the thing that bothers most. Infecting someone they care and love. Best you can do is abstain when you have outbreaks. And accept that its quite likely that eventually your spouse may be infected. And take comfort in the positives listed above that it won't affect your lives adversely by much.)

One other bit. I feel you worry a lot about infecting your kids. I can understand this. But the chances of this is really low due to how the virus is transmitted. Just take sensible precautions.

Finally, worry less. Lead a normal life.

[SamsungBoy]

Wish you recover fast fast.........

You are a good dad

[heatingup]

Bro LTKay,

Thank u for taking the effort to reply. My reply as follows in blue and size 4 font.

Read your queries and thought I'd add my comments. Like yourself I have HSV and fully understand how you're feeling.

Regarding your secondary outbreak, here are some pointers:
1. It should occur at the same or close to your primary attack.
2. You may feel some slight itch or tingling sensation. In my case I did. It's similar to the itchy feeling you had in your primary attack.
3. Suggest at this stage you avoid sex till certain.
4. Check the area where your initial primary attack occurred for slight lesions or inflammation. If its your secondary attack these will develop into herpes sores over the next few days.
5. Once you've confirmed, start taking your meds. They help.
6. Should be over in 5 to 7 days.

Good news is it won't be as painful as the first time. Hurts a lot less. And not as traumatic psychologically.

Asymptomatic shedding means there are no symptoms. There are no indications and you won't be aware that the virus is active and on your skin.

So far, after my primary attack, i only had once a pimple or two on my penis & experienced flu symptoms. So I am not sure if I have had any secondary attack.
I experienced a half-a-day itch on my penis last week. i think the itch is somewhat similar to what i had during primary attack but less severe. However, i don't see any pimple or blister. Nonetheless my pubic bones around my penis hurt quite a bit. Will pubic bones hurt during primary or secondary attacks and asymptomatic shredding?

A large part of the trauma most HSV sufferers go through is mental. I think you need to look at it in perspective:

The positive bits:
1. It's not fatal.
2. It doesn't cause cancer or organ failure.
3. Doesn't cause any long term physical damage to your health.
4. Doesn't cause long term medical complications.
5. As long as your outbreaks are confined to your genitals, no one can tell you have HSV.

The negative bits:
1. It hurts. (But pain lessens with future outbreaks. And the meds help.)
My primary attack's ulcers did not hurt. So secondary attack will be even less severe?
2. Can't be cured. You'll live with recurring attacks rest of your life. (But outbreaks lessen over time. And with meds it should clear within a week.)

3. When the virus is active, you're contagious and can infect others. (This is probably the thing that bothers most. Infecting someone they care and love. Best you can do is abstain when you have outbreaks. And accept that its quite likely that eventually your spouse may be infected. And take comfort in the positives listed above that it won't affect your lives adversely by much.)

My wife accepted the eventuality that she will be infected, if she is not already is. Nonetheless, raw sex is out to delay the eventuality and to prevent pregnancy.

One other bit. I feel you worry a lot about infecting your kids. I can understand this. But the chances of this is really low due to how the virus is transmitted. Just take sensible precautions.

I wash my hands with hand detergent particularly after urination and bath. Now i use toilet paper to hold my penis during urination. Inevitably I use my hands to wash my penis during shower but will use hand detergent to wash my glasses and hands after shower and try not to touch my kids immediately after shower. Nonetheless sometimes they dashed to me and held my hand, to my horror and worry.
Though i love to lick my wife and be sucked, all forms of oral sex are out for us for fear of getting HSV II in our mouth and pass to kids. I probably have to wait till my kids become adults and we don't have to kiss them to reassure and love them that my wife and I resume oral sex, if we still have the loving mood.
Finally, worry less. Lead a normal life.
I am trying rather hard.

[LTKay]

Hi Bro heatingup

Read your reply. What I'll suggest is that when you next feel you're having an outbreak with visible pimples, go see the doc at DSC. That's what I did initially. They'll be able to confirm and this will help you recognise an outbreak in future.

What I was told though is it'll usually appear at or close to the original site. Was also told it's extremely unlikely for new sores to develop on other sites, such as mouth, legs, hands etc. You may wish to check on this with the doc on your next visit to reassure yourself.

The thing to note with herpes is it varies for different folks. Some get more frequent attacks, some hardly get another. Some get really severe attacks while for others it is barely visible. Over time you'll get to understand how it affects you better.

I think you're doing all you can as far as preventive measures go. You may wish to speak to the doc as well on risk of transmission to your kids. Might be good to ask what's the chances of HSV virus being present in your mouth given your condition. I think a visit would do you good. I do find the DSC docs to be sympathetic and helpful, and they always encourage you to come back if you have any doubts.

[UndeaD80]

bro all the best to u n ur family
after reading ur post i also got thoughts quiting commercial sex

[heatingup]

The Amino Acid Lysine Controls Herpes

Is it true that the amino acid called lysine, is good for herpes outbreaks?

Yes. Supplementation with free-form lysine has shown to be beneficial in controlling herpes along with a diet high in lysine and low in arginine. "This suggests that physicians in a position to study the effect of lysine in herpes simplex infections should do so. It appears to do no harm and may be a useful therapeutic measure."

Tissue culture studies have demonstrated a beneficial effect on viral replication when the amino acid ratio of arginine to lysine favors arginine. The opposite, preponderance of lysine to arginine, suppresses viral replication and inhibits cytopathogenicity of herpes simplex virus."

L-Lysine appears to be an effective agent for reduction of occurrence, severity and healing time for recurrent HSV infection.

What foods are high in lysine and low in arginine?

Fish, chicken, beef, lamb, milk, cheese, beans, brewer's yeast, mung bean sprouts and most fruits and vegetables have more lysine than arginine, except for peas. Gelatin, chocolate, carob, coconut, oats, wholewheat and, white flour, peanuts, soybeans, and wheatgerm have more arginine than lysine.
Herpes Treatment (http://www.herpes.com/Treatment.shtml)


Uses of Lysine

Herpes and Shingles
L-lysine can be used to treat mouth and genital lesions caused by herpes simplex virus as well as shingles caused by herpes zoster viruses. Taking lysine supplements can speed recovery time and reduce the chance of recurrent breakouts of the herpes infection.

Dietary Sources
Good sources of lysine are foods rich in protein including meat (specifically red meat, pork, and poultry), cheese (particularly parmesan), certain fish (such as cod and sardines), nuts, eggs, soybeans (particularly tofu, isolated soy protein, and defatted soybean flour), spirulina, and fenugreek seed.


How much to take - Adult
Adults with herpes simplex should follow these guidelines:

* To treat symptoms: 3,000 – 9,000 mg per day in divided doses
* To prevent recurrences: 500 – 1,500 mg per day
Lysine (http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/lysine-000312.htm)


Diet and Nutrition {Musr Read}

People with viral diseases can benefit from a diet high in lysine and low in arginine. In the following chart, the foods at the top of the list have higher lysine to arginine ratios.

Diet and vitamin supplements may influence viral replication. A total approach to nutrition should be used. Use this chart as a guide or a reference only, and see what happens. Look at the absolute figures for lysine and arginine content. There is no reason to avoid a food if it has a low lysine/arginine ratio and only a few mg of arginine in it.

Ratio of Lysine to Arginine in Certain Foods, by James M. Scutero.
Transcribed and calculated using data from Agricultural Handbook, 1-23, U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Follow this link to look at the chart
Herpes - Nutrition (http://www.herpes.com/nutrition.html)

[slicky2012]

Take L-Lysine once every morning and two time a day during breakout. Wash your hand each time you finished peeing and you are safe to hug your children.

[slicky2012]

Sorry, forgot to mention, take 1x 1000mg of L-Lysine per day and 2x 1000mg during breakout. You can get L-Lysine from GNC.

[LTKay]

Hi bro heatingup

Got this off a forum HERPES and clothing or other objects - STDs - MedHelp (http://www.medhelp.org/forums/STD/messages/4314.html). Key Q&A reproduced below:

Question:
Hi.
Lately I am abit terrified of passing HSV-2 to my baby. I have a genital herpes for years and high positive IgG. I wash my hand after I use the toilets ofcourse, but lately I started to over react I guess...this is why I am asking you.
1. For example: If I have a lesion around the anus and after I weap it with a paper (after stool) maybe a virus can move up a bit (I weap from frontal to back), and then I can wash my hands and go out the toilett, and without even notice fix my T-shirt in my pants and by mistake touch this virus from earlier...Can I transmit the virus in this way????
2. Or even a towel...should I use a different towel to the lesion area?
3. Is the virus staying on the door when I go out from the bathroom??
4. How much does it live on a wet place?
5. On a dry place?

Please help me.

Thanks.

Answer:
You are badly overreacting. Transmission of HSV-2 does not occur except by sex. The exceptions are too rare to worry about. Children are at risk for HSV-2 through only 2 possible mechanisms: exposure during delivery, if mom has active herpes when in labor; and through sexual abuse. (There might be rare cases of transmission if kids sleep in the same bed with an infected parent, but even that is rare if it occurs at all.) The virus does not survive in sufficient amounts on towels, doorknobs, clothes, or elsewhere in the environment.

Bottom line: Continue to use commonCommon cold-sense hygiene (handwashing after toilet, for example), but otherwise don't worry about this. You also could confirm all this information with your child's pediatrician. But if you cannot shake these unreasonable fears despite these facts, you might consider whether you need counseling to understand why you are so freaked about it.

Good luck-- HHH, MD

Hope above helps.

[heatingup]

Hi bro heatingup

Got this off a forum HERPES and clothing or other objects - STDs - MedHelp (http://www.medhelp.org/forums/STD/messages/4314.html). Key Q&A reproduced below:

Hope above helps.

Bro LTKay,

Thank u so much for the posts. I really appreciate them.
I will visit DSC during my next outbreak to confirm it and to get advice on how to recognise lesions and how to prevent possibilities of spreading the virus accidentally.
The downside is the DSC queue and waiting time are very long and I can't take leave to go in the morning.

[heatingup]

Sorry, forgot to mention, take 1x 1000mg of L-Lysine per day and 2x 1000mg during breakout. You can get L-Lysine from GNC.

Bro Slicky2012,

Thank u for your recommendation.
In fact, I am taking "Herpanacine".
Small bottle 100 capsules cost $74.50.
Big bottle 200 capsules cost about $125.
Very expensive indeed.
last time spent money on FLs to eject; now spend money to prevent herpes outbreaks.
Don't know what to say... :(

One question, can daily intake of L-Lysine reduce the frequency of asymptomatic genital shredding or prevent it altogether?

[heatingup]

I sometimes get odd feelings/pains around my buttocks or down one leg. What does this mean?

Occasionally, herpes simplex virus can cause ‘burning skin’ sensations, deep aches or sudden twinges in the genital area. When they occur in the thighs or buttocks, they are sometimes compared to ‘sciatica’. These symptoms are called prodromes – or prodromal symptoms. They are a sign that the virus is trying to reactivate. Sometimes sores will follow, but very often your immune response overcomes the virus before visible signs appear.

Frequently asked questions (http://www.herpes.org.uk/faq.html#24)


I was down with an illness recently and rested at home for 2 days.
Knowing my immunity system is down, I expected a herpes outbreak.
But it didn't happen. Don't know whether because i took antibiotics.
During this time, I slept 12 hours a day and didn't experience any prodromal symptoms (see above).
On the contrary, during my healthy days, I keep having these prodromal symptoms. I wonder is it because I work 14 hours and sleep only 5 hours per day during normal time but slept 12 hours during my sickness.
So physical exhaustion is a potential cause for prodromal symptoms and even an outbreak.

[slicky2012]

Herpanacine? Are they effective? Where did you buy it? So far as I know,only L-Lysine and Olive leaf Extract is good.

[heatingup]

Herpanacine? Are they effective? Where did you buy it? So far as I know,only L-Lysine and Olive leaf Extract is good.

I bought Herpanacine from GNC. So far only bought one 100-capsules bottle.
Don't know its positive effects yet.
U can see product info at
Diamond Herpanacine Associates: Herpanacine is a total skin system... (http://www.diamondformulas.com/herpana.aspx)
One serving of three capsules contains about 1400 mg of L-Lysine.

May I know where did you buy L-Lysine and Olive leaf extract? GNC also?
How much is L-Lysine?

[dicky4321]

Just delay her, the most use fungal infection as excuse. No need to commit suicide la. If blow job raw your wife never swallow your cum then shouldn't get infection. if you release your load in her mouth or virgina then possible infection eventhough not 100% certain. Some STI can be cure with antibiotics.

[sammyboyfor]

Just delay her, the most use fungal infection as excuse. No need to commit suicide la. If blow job raw your wife never swallow your cum then shouldn't get infection. if you release your load in her mouth or virgina then possible infection eventhough not 100% certain. Some STI can be cure with antibiotics.

If you don't know what you're talking about, it would be best if you just remained silent. :rolleyes:

[hack29lee61]

II



For those who have offered ideas, suggestions and explanations, I thank you very much. But I still have a few critical questions. Brothers please help.

1. Can herpes virus in the body be detected by blood test even though the person shows no symptoms?

definately yes.

A lot depends on the titre.
basically, the titre is high during attacks.

2. My handphone is registered under my wife’s corporate account. I am concerned that she would request mobile line provider to provide numbers and content of sms that i sent to FL or masseur. Will mobile line provider like SingTel or M1 be willing or able to provide details of my sms sent last year if my wife requests and pays?

I'm lost here!

get your own!

3. My primary attack has started at the beginning of February and my penis still has dried-up pimple scars that have not gone away. Will they disappear completely?

it will go away once the titre comes down.

too much of alcohol and stress leads to frequent attack episodes.

It is not a death sentence!

Live life to the fullest.

[LTKay]

Hi Bro Heatingup

Anything to help a fellow HSV sufferer.

Don't know about Herpanacine, although studies have shown L-lysine does help in high dosage concentration. Note there are no claims that L-lysine eliminates outbreaks and recurrences. Just that it reduces frequency and severity. Note though that reports suggest L-lysine may increase cholesterol levels.

What I suggest though is understanding how your body is coping with HSV before relying on any supplements or medication. You should get an idea of how often you're getting outbreaks and how severe they are without any anti-viral suppressants and supplements.

In my case, it was 4 months before I had my first outbreak and it wasn't severe (well to me). Apart from popping my pills and abstaining while infected, I didn't feel much inconvenienced. Presently, I'm not on any supplements or long term medication as I feel my outbreaks aren't frequent or severe enough to justify them. This may of course change in the future.

On the contrary, during my healthy days, I keep having these prodromal symptoms. I wonder is it because I work 14 hours and sleep only 5 hours per day during normal time but slept 12 hours during my sickness.

I'd say more than supplements, you'd benefit most from sufficient sleep, rest, proper diet and exercise. That's the cheapest and best way to keep your immune system healthy. And worry less to keep the stress at bay.

[xxrain]

Hi boys and girls,

YouTube - Basic Sex Ed: STDs: Prevention (Kicesie) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQblGUj2qIc)

here's a video that explain STDs on youtube. It is pretty well done and quite true as to what uncle sam was trying to explain here.

sit thru it and hope it helps

cheers

[slicky2012]

You can get L-Lysine at GNC. A bottle of 90 Tablets at 1000mg is retailing at $29.54.

[heatingup]

You can get L-Lysine at GNC. A bottle of 90 Tablets at 1000mg is retailing at $29.54.

Thank you.
Just bought what u mentioned using my fren's GNC VIP card and got a 20% discount. When I told the staff it is for eczema, she pushed for Herpanacine. The price of Herpanacine is more than twice that of Lysine.

[leow102]

No cure for herpes. It stays for life with occasional outbreak. Lesson learned is do not fuck (including oral or french) without protection. I do not mean to hurt our buddy but unfortunately truth hurts.

[kim_hwoarang]

Time to quit, dont wait till irreversable stage then regret. ;)

[MaxBonk]

Hi bro , I wish you all the best and may a cure be found one day. good luck.

[kelwong135]

Hi All Bro here,

Now i m eat this type of pill when i m having the outbreak ( ANTIVIRAL AGENT VIRLESS TABLET ACYCLOVIr 800MG) i went to geylang clinic and see this doctor he give me this pill it is very good i have a outbreak on 19-05-2008 and it recovery is only 2 to 3 day.

[analog]

Hey Bro Heating up...

Only read the first page of posts and you said you've been diagnosed with Genital Herpes.....there are 2 kinds my friend, HSV-1 and HSV-2.
Which one? HSV-1 is no big deal, you could just as well get it form your wife from a BJ..its the same virus that causes mouth ulcers. If you had bad luck and she gave you a nice sensuous BJ the day the virus was shedding, then you'll get it on your dick. ~80% of the population tests positive for HSV-1 antibodies.

HSV-2 is the one that is predominantly on genitals . This one is possible to get form a BJ except that HSV-2 RARELY infects the oral cavity. Its not impossible, its just very rare.

Tell us which one you were diagnosed with.

Cheers,
Jim

[heatingup]

Hey Bro Heating up...

Only read the first page of posts and you said you've been diagnosed with Genital Herpes.....there are 2 kinds my friend, HSV-1 and HSV-2.
Which one? HSV-1 is no big deal, you could just as well get it form your wife from a BJ..its the same virus that causes mouth ulcers. If you had bad luck and she gave you a nice sensuous BJ the day the virus was shedding, then you'll get it on your dick. ~80% of the population tests positive for HSV-1 antibodies.

HSV-2 is the one that is predominantly on genitals . This one is possible to get form a BJ except that HSV-2 RARELY infects the oral cavity. Its not impossible, its just very rare.

Tell us which one you were diagnosed with.

Cheers,
Jim


Hi Jim,

I am suffering from HSV-II at genitals, not mouth. Confirmed by culture test.

Regards.

[peter_lee_1969]

bro, was following your thread and realise u got hsv-ii via hj?? i thought prior to hj there should be some massage and all the oil and exposed air would have killed the virus?

[analog]

Hi Jim,

I am suffering from HSV-II at genitals, not mouth. Confirmed by culture test.

Regards.

Hey Bro Heating....
yah, yikes.
You'd better tell your wife. There is no other way around this....
You're going to have an outbreak at least once a year for the first while....she has to know. Its up to her what she's going to do about it.
Tough break pal.

Cheers,
jim

[analog]

Oh, one more thing...
You get HSV-2 either from a BBBj or from fucking raw. A woman who has HSV-2 will usually have ulcers inside the vagina so you wouldn't even know...AND, the virus doesn't necessarily spread from an ulcer...it shedds from time to time...this mechanism is not well understood. It is EXTREMELY unlikely you got it from a HJ.

It is also possible.....
that you got it from your wife?

Cheers,
jim

[heatingup]

Hey Bro Heating....
yah, yikes.
You'd better tell your wife. There is no other way around this....
You're going to have an outbreak at least once a year for the first while....she has to know. Its up to her what she's going to do about it.
Tough break pal.

Cheers,
jim

Jim,

I informed my wife regarding my HSV-II on 25 Feb 2008.
I posted it on the second page of this thread.


Regards.

[Erotican]

Jim,

I informed my wife regarding my HSV-II on 25 Feb 2008.
I posted it on the second page of this thread.


Regards.


How well are you recovering right now?
I up you 1 point... My spiritual support

Get well soon:)

[slicky2012]

One can get HSV-2 when receiving oral too if the girl got ulcer in the mouth.

[heatingup]

One can get HSV-2 when receiving oral too if the girl got ulcer in the mouth.

Oral ulcers can be due to HSV I or 2 right?

if my memory serves me correctly, my case is
HSV 1 - oral --> positive (see below)
- genital --> negative

HSV 2 - oral --> negative (i should think so, and see below)
- genital --> positive (confirmed by culture test)

Nonetheless, with reference to your statement above, pls read with patience...

I had 2 ulcers in my mouth last week. Not on the lips but on the underneath of my left cheek. I drank coffee and put my cup on my study table.
When I was attending to my son (younger), my daughter (older) secretly drank the coffee from my cup. She is a coffee lover like me. I scolded her, knowing I had ulcers.

2 to 3 days later, she complained of 2/3 ulcers in her gum and my wife spotted them. At the same time or later, she developed fever, runny nose and throat inflammation, as examined by a GP. She and my son have gotten flu from their child care centre. I was both upset and angry with her.

Sorry for being paranoid,

How can I know if I am HSV 2 - oral positive or negative? do I have to visit DSC again to get my old report?

Is my daughter likely to have gotten HSV 1 oral or HSV 2 oral (if i were positive) from me?

[piper]

This is taken off the DSC Question and Answer website:

05-Nov-2007
Question: Dear doc, i have got a few questions about herpes:

1) How long will herpes virus last on human skin(as in hands without cuts)? What is the risk of transmission from a massuer if she got expose to herpes through her hands and followed by giving the next customer a masturbation using massage oil.

2) Does herpes generally comes with blisters and lesions? Cos i understand that there can be no symtoms prior to outbreaks.

Answer - 1. Herpes is transmitted through direct skin-to-skin contact with an infected person during oral, vaginal and anal sex. There is no risk for tranmission from the way you described.

2. Once infected with Herpes, some patients may develop the signs and symptoms while others may not. Herpes can be transmitted both when symptoms are present and sometimes when symptoms are not present.


This answer is so different from your doctor's answer.

[Erotican]

You better make a trip down better. Let the professionals do the examination

[heatingup]

The following is an interesting and useful article on genital herpes.
"Improving the care of patients with genital herpes"
Regular review: Improving the care of patients with genital herpes -- Drake et al. 321 (7261): 619 -- BMJ (http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/321/7261/619)

Available in pdf also.

[sexbomb!]

play safe, bonk with caps!

[5ag1_Boar]

SexBomb... I drop bomb on you! :p

You can catch genital HSV simply from skin to skin contact. So caps will not protect you! You can get it when your groin (i.e. uncapped area) contact her groin.

To be really safe, you must wear full body condom....

or just refrain from casual bonking, frenching, etc.

[heatingup]

I was diagnosed with HSV 2 genital via a culture test in Feb 2008.
I wanted to start right away on daily oral suppressives to decrease asymptomatic shredding and number of secondary outbreaks but was advised against it. The DSC doctor told me to wait till my secondary outbreak so that I'll know the interval between my primary and first secondary outbreak and use it to gauge the interval between secondary outbreaks.
It has been four months since and I truly don't know if I had any secondary outbreak.

I wish to start on a course of daily oral suppressives for 2 years since the first 2 years have most outbreaks and is more infectious.
I am doing it to minimize chances of accidental transmission to my kids, not for my wife since we have had been doing raw.

Anybody knows of any side-effect of these daily oral suppressives, especially taken over a period of 2 years? Any possible damage to the kidneys?
I appreciate sharing of personal experience of taking daily oral suppressives and scientific reports published.
Many thanks to all.

[Soopafly]

Bro Heatingup,

You should follow up with your doctor with respect to your diagnostics and treatments. No one is more qualified here to answer your questions than your own doctor, though you might seek a second opinion just to make sure. Also, some doctors will be more aggressive than others in treatment. The key is to find someone you trust and feel comfortable.

Good luck bro,

[Rock91]

Bro Heatingup,

How big and how's the pimple look like? I have some red dots and quite worry too... But it disappear after 2 days.

Can share how big the pimple is about

Cheers!

[AfA_hmor]

If you think its a possible STI, its best to go and see a doctor.
No one can really help you here.

And next time, can you wear a condom? It can save your life.

[Erotican]

heatingup, how's ur updates?
pray for ur safety of u and ur loved ones

[heatingup]

Dear bros Soopafly & Erotican,

Thank u so much for the advice, regards and prayers.

I went to DSC 3 weeks and was seen by the Registrar (higher position than Medical Officer).

I asked him a series of questions about my medical records at DSC and was told by the doc to use medical terms like HSV1 & HSV2 instead of oral herpes and genital herpes.

Oct 2007 blood test showed HSV1 positive, HSV2 negative
Feb 2008 culture test from penis showed HSV2 positive.

I told him I want to go on daily oral suppressives. He enquired about the number of outbreaks I have. I told him I had my primary outbreak on Feb 2008 and I don’t know if I have any secondary outbreak yet. I also told him I read that first 2 years most outbreak and therefore most infectious. He told me 80% of HSV2 sufferers have 4 outbreaks and 60% have less than 4 times in the first 2 years. I told him I want to reduce outbreak numbers and chance of accidental transmission to kids. What asked me, “When is your ending pointing? How do you know that is your ending point?’ In other words, for how long do I want to take daily oral suppressives for and how do I know I have to take 6 months or 9 months. He added that, even with daily oral suppressives, asymptomatic shredding/viral shredding/sub-clinical shredding will still take place and therefore transmission is still possible.

I was also told no point doing blood test to find out whether I have HSV2 in mouth. Only do swab and culture test then will know.

Told him I brought this up because I had 2 or 3 mouth ulcers on 29 May and my daughter drank the coffee I just drank. 2 days later, my daughter developed 3 ulcers. Both my son and daughter had fever for the next few days. However, my son had no ulcers.

I asked doctor how about my daughter’s case. I asked did or could she has gotten HSV2 from me if I have it in my mouth (since I practiced oral sex with wife until outbreak in Feb). He said that it is possible if there is transfer of fluid and the only way to know is to do swab and culture test from my daughter should she has mouth ulcers again. If she were to have HSV2 in her mouth, she could have outbreak on her genital! I almost collapsed there and then.

I asked also whether safe for me to do oral sex with wife when I have no ‘crawling feeling’ on my back and hip. He appeared that he does not know what crawling feeling I was referring to. (Thinking back, of course la, since he does not suffer from HSV2.) I was told my wife and I have to weigh the risks. So oral sex between my wife and I is still out.

I also enquired whether is it possible to get HSV2 from groin massage. He replied yes as she may have herpes on her hands (known as willow"), there may be a transfer of fluid or there is skin to skin transmission.

Then I insisted to have 3 months of daily oral suppressives for the above reasons and since I waited for almost 3 hours there! When I was collecting my big bag of medications, a SYT and her boyfriend were sitting near the pharmacy. She stared at me and I really really really feel stigmatized. I thought to myself: I didn’t ask to have HSV2 and if my wife let me fuck once a week I would not have to risk outside. Since Feb and particularly that day, I do not have good appetite, have lost quite a bit of weight, and have been suffering from varying degree of depression. I have been faithfully taking my medications twice a day.

My relationship with my wife has been deteriorating rapidly these few months. She became more difficult and more domineering these few years and more so this year. I have no pleasant time at work and my kids like to scream and shout at home. Nothing beats my wife screaming at the maid the whole night when she is not working. When she is busy (with work hopefully and not fucking around), she comes back home late at 11.30pm 3 times a week, neglecting children, their welfare and studies. Cold wars are often these 2 years. 3 cold wars since Jan 2008.

Communication with her is difficult. She tends to raise her voice and shut me out. Sometimes when I have important kid related issue to discuss with her, I will swallow my saliva and pride and continued the conversation. Otherwise I will walk away.

How could sex with wife be possible under such circumstances? I have been deprived for long again. After my HSV2 outbreak and my wife forgive me, I vowed not to fuck outside again. But given her temperament, my sex deprivation and our rocky marriage, I have been using my toy pussy more often these days and I wonder how long I can keep my vow not to out fuck outside my marriage.

I have to resort to emailing her yesterday to tell her how she has been putting me down rudely several times at home and in public, in front of kids and maid, how I am feeling now and why I am talking lesser to her these days. I did tell her that if I couldn’t control myself, she would have lied flat on the ground there and then because if I strike I don’t have the intention to hold back. I did not complain about my sex deprivation.

She has not seen my mail. Hope things turn out for the better after she read it. Otherwise I won’t know whether how long my marriage will last. Like what George W. Bush said about Iran, ‘All cards are on the table.”

Don’t force my dick to fuck FLs again.
Don’t force my hands to “take u out.”
Don’t force my mouth to say “I want to divorce u.”

[sammyboyfor]

She has not seen my mail. Hope things turn out for the better after she read it. Otherwise I won’t know whether how long my marriage will last.

If you have to resort to EMAILING the person you live with, it's time to get out of the relationship.

Just walk out and don't look back. Let her have the kids. You can start a new family and make sure you choose someone who is nice, kind and considerate this time round.

If you want to know how a future wife is going to treat you, observe how she treats members of her own family and how she interacts with the less fortunate of society.

[lacoruna69]

If you want to know how a future wife is going to treat you, observe how she treats members of her own family and how she interacts with the less fortunate of society.

Hi Boss,
After seeing so many crap messages posted by you on the 'Advice' and 'Advise' thing, this is one which I (and I believed all Bros) will remember for life. :)

[heatingup]

If you want to know how a future wife is going to treat you, observe how she treats members of her own family and how she interacts with the less fortunate of society.


She scores well on the first count and perfect on the second all these years.
So these 2 Performance Indicators are not accurate.

[sammyboyfor]

She scores well on the first count and perfect on the second all these years.
So these 2 Performance Indicators are not accurate.

If that's the case, the problem must be YOU!:p

However, I have to say that screaming at the maid does not strike me as the behaviour of someone that is kind and considerate towards the less fortunate. I know married friends where both husband and wife treat the maid as a member of the family and voices are never raised in anger.

[sammyboyfor]

Hi Boss,
After seeing so many crap messages posted by you on the 'Advice' and 'Advise' thing, this is one which I (and I believed all Bros) will remember for life. :)

CRAP messages:mad: ???

Show me ONE other member who tries to raise the standard of English here!:rolleyes:

You have to realise that this forum can be read by the whole world. You may not bother if Singaporeans communicate using half fucked English but I find it to be a major embarrassment.:eek:

However, if you want to be the laughing stock of the English speaking world, I can't stop you.

[Iron Piston]

Dear brother heatingup,

I am very sorry to hear about your situation. But let me encourage you not to give up on your marriage. Things may be rocky now, but if you are determined, you can tide through it. You must have had something beautiful before to get two kids and I am sure you are thinking of them. Why not work to make those good days come back?

May I suggest you give Lakeside Family Service Centre a call. They have a very good Marriage and Family Department there with good and discreet counsellors. And it's free! 65649722

They helped me before. ;)

[JediSkull]

CRAP messages:mad: ???

......................

However, if you want to be the laughing stock of the English speaking world, I can't stop you.

Boss........ I also advocate the use of proper english! but as u can see, i'm very prone to the use of abbreviation like most other sgreans! :rolleyes:
Boss........ u catch those using advice and advise. I go catch those using practice and practise lor. ;) :D

[s(Aint]

Hi bro im 25 years old and ive been chionging for a while now..

i have contracted gonorrhoea twice during my chionging (once this year)

however, i have met the girl of my dreams (at my workplace) and im eeply in love. for once in my life, i found a good reason to stop chionging, stay truthful and honest to her.

all i hope is that my past doesnt come to haunt me .. technically, my window period for stds is not up yet so i wont know. not 6 mths since my last encounter. i'd say ive have plenty of capped intercourse and about 2 or 3 uncapped bbbjs.

just wanted to share. hope everything will be okay on your side too.

im done chionging. bye guys and safe bonking.

[JeffArch]

Dear bros Soopafly & Erotican,

Thank u so much for the advice, regards and prayers.

I went to DSC 3 weeks and was seen by the Registrar (higher position than Medical Officer).

I asked him a series of questions about my medical records at DSC and was told by the doc to use medical terms like HSV1 & HSV2 instead of oral herpes and genital herpes.

Oct 2007 blood test showed HSV1 positive, HSV2 negative
Feb 2008 culture test from penis showed HSV2 positive.

I told him I want to go on daily oral suppressives. He enquired about the number of outbreaks I have. I told him I had my primary outbreak on Feb 2008 and I don’t know if I have any secondary outbreak yet. I also told him I read that first 2 years most outbreak and therefore most infectious. He told me 80% of HSV2 sufferers have 4 outbreaks and 60% have less than 4 times in the first 2 years. I told him I want to reduce outbreak numbers and chance of accidental transmission to kids. What asked me, “When is your ending pointing? How do you know that is your ending point?’ In other words, for how long do I want to take daily oral suppressives for and how do I know I have to take 6 months or 9 months. He added that, even with daily oral suppressives, asymptomatic shredding/viral shredding/sub-clinical shredding will still take place and therefore transmission is still possible.

I was also told no point doing blood test to find out whether I have HSV2 in mouth. Only do swab and culture test then will know.

Told him I brought this up because I had 2 or 3 mouth ulcers on 29 May and my daughter drank the coffee I just drank. 2 days later, my daughter developed 3 ulcers. Both my son and daughter had fever for the next few days. However, my son had no ulcers.

I asked doctor how about my daughter’s case. I asked did or could she has gotten HSV2 from me if I have it in my mouth (since I practiced oral sex with wife until outbreak in Feb). He said that it is possible if there is transfer of fluid and the only way to know is to do swab and culture test from my daughter should she has mouth ulcers again. If she were to have HSV2 in her mouth, she could have outbreak on her genital! I almost collapsed there and then.

I asked also whether safe for me to do oral sex with wife when I have no ‘crawling feeling’ on my back and hip. He appeared that he does not know what crawling feeling I was referring to. (Thinking back, of course la, since he does not suffer from HSV2.) I was told my wife and I have to weigh the risks. So oral sex between my wife and I is still out.

I also enquired whether is it possible to get HSV2 from groin massage. He replied yes as she may have herpes on her hands (known as willow"), there may be a transfer of fluid or there is skin to skin transmission.

Then I insisted to have 3 months of daily oral suppressives for the above reasons and since I waited for almost 3 hours there! When I was collecting my big bag of medications, a SYT and her boyfriend were sitting near the pharmacy. She stared at me and I really really really feel stigmatized. I thought to myself: I didn’t ask to have HSV2 and if my wife let me fuck once a week I would not have to risk outside. Since Feb and particularly that day, I do not have good appetite, have lost quite a bit of weight, and have been suffering from varying degree of depression. I have been faithfully taking my medications twice a day.

My relationship with my wife has been deteriorating rapidly these few months. She became more difficult and more domineering these few years and more so this year. I have no pleasant time at work and my kids like to scream and shout at home. Nothing beats my wife screaming at the maid the whole night when she is not working. When she is busy (with work hopefully and not fucking around), she comes back home late at 11.30pm 3 times a week, neglecting children, their welfare and studies. Cold wars are often these 2 years. 3 cold wars since Jan 2008.

Communication with her is difficult. She tends to raise her voice and shut me out. Sometimes when I have important kid related issue to discuss with her, I will swallow my saliva and pride and continued the conversation. Otherwise I will walk away.

How could sex with wife be possible under such circumstances? I have been deprived for long again. After my HSV2 outbreak and my wife forgive me, I vowed not to fuck outside again. But given her temperament, my sex deprivation and our rocky marriage, I have been using my toy pussy more often these days and I wonder how long I can keep my vow not to out fuck outside my marriage.

I have to resort to emailing her yesterday to tell her how she has been putting me down rudely several times at home and in public, in front of kids and maid, how I am feeling now and why I am talking lesser to her these days. I did tell her that if I couldn’t control myself, she would have lied flat on the ground there and then because if I strike I don’t have the intention to hold back. I did not complain about my sex deprivation.

She has not seen my mail. Hope things turn out for the better after she read it. Otherwise I won’t know whether how long my marriage will last. Like what George W. Bush said about Iran, ‘All cards are on the table.”

Don’t force my dick to fuck FLs again.
Don’t force my hands to “take u out.”
Don’t force my mouth to say “I want to divorce u.”

Hi Bro,

Hows things? Hope you have managed to communicate with your wife. Take care

[heatingup]

Just an update on my medical conditions & a few questions.

I have been taking Acyclovir 400 mg daily for more than a month since my last visit to DSC.
Strangely, ever since I started taking the medicine, i have been having recurrent mouth ulcers. One to two ulcers for 5 days then recovered then the whole process repeat itself for 3 weeks. I thought Acyclovir should suppress HSV1 & 2 instead of activating them, be it in genital or mouth?


Are all secondary / recurrent HSV2 (mouth or genital) preceded by flu-like symptoms like body aches and pain?


Any bro knows of any scientific explanations?


I will take Acyclovir 400 mg daily for at least 4 months since 71% of recipients recurrence-free after 4 months & 80-94% reduction in the number of days with subclinical shedding.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/heatingup/TherapeuticManagementofGenitalHerpe.jpg

(Source: Genital Herpes. David W Kimberlin, Dwight J Rouse. The New England Journal of Medicine. Boston: May 6, 2004. Vol. 350, Iss. 19; pg. 1970, 8 pgs)

[Wtapss]

Hi , how's life going on? I have been reading your thread since page 1. You are a lucky man to have such a understanding wife. I have a wonderful girlfriend who loves me alot and your post really touched me. I'm feeling ashamed of myself now for what i had done(One week ago , having a HJ from a FL). I'm not fit to be her boyfriend and I own her alot.After reading your post , i decided to quit this cheonging. I will follow this thread until ur last post. Thanks for your thread and hope that everything goes well for u & your family.

[boonsiong1]

Hi Heating Bro,

I am another victim of HSV2, I got it in May 2008.

Regarding your quote "I have been taking Acyclovir 400 mg daily for more than a month since my last visit to DSC.
Strangely, ever since I started taking the medicine, I have been having recurrent mouth ulcers. One to two ulcers for 5 days then recovered then the whole process repeat itself for 3 weeks. I thought Acyclovir should suppress HSV1 & 2 instead of activating them, be it in genital or mouth?"

My Experience:
I have gone on a month of supression with Acyclovir 400 mg in June. During the supression period, the genital blisters would never go away. The old ones would subside while the new ones came out.

What I did?
STOP THE SUPRESSIVE MEDICATION!
In a period of two months, there was only one outbreak which I did not take any medication. It took around a week to recover. In between, some small blisters may appear and disappear.

Thanks for sharing with us. "Accept HSV2" since you already have it as i do, it will make your life easier. Cheers for it is not the end of the world but a serious call for us to treasure those who we love...

[heatingup]

Hi , how's life going on? I have been reading your thread since page 1. You are a lucky man to have such a understanding wife. I have a wonderful girlfriend who loves me alot and your post really touched me. I'm feeling ashamed of myself now for what i had done(One week ago , having a HJ from a FL). I'm not fit to be her boyfriend and I own her alot.After reading your post , i decided to quit this cheonging. I will follow this thread until ur last post. Thanks for your thread and hope that everything goes well for u & your family.

The term "understanding" is no longer appropriate to be used on her.
I would not have to risk myself and being infected if she had been willing to let me fuck once a week these 5 years plus.
Sexual deprivation, having to beg for sex, & being constantly rejected, then suffering from premature ejaculation are all downright ego-thrashing for me.

Consciously, I blame myself for not able to restrain my sexual needs.
Sub-consciously, I hate her to the core. More so now that our relationship is sour.

If we had no kids and I were not infected with HSV2, I would have divorced her sometime ago. No single lady will want me if she knows I'm down with HSV2. :(

[heatingup]

Hi Heating Bro,

I am another victim of HSV2, I got it in May 2008.

Regarding your quote "I have been taking Acyclovir 400 mg daily for more than a month since my last visit to DSC.
Strangely, ever since I started taking the medicine, I have been having recurrent mouth ulcers. One to two ulcers for 5 days then recovered then the whole process repeat itself for 3 weeks. I thought Acyclovir should suppress HSV1 & 2 instead of activating them, be it in genital or mouth?"

My Experience:
I have gone on a month of supression with Acyclovir 400 mg in June. During the supression period, the genital blisters would never go away. The old ones would subside while the new ones came out.

What I did?
STOP THE SUPRESSIVE MEDICATION!
In a period of two months, there was only one outbreak which I did not take any medication. It took around a week to recover. In between, some small blisters may appear and disappear.

Thanks for sharing with us. "Accept HSV2" since you already have it as i do, it will make your life easier. Cheers for it is not the end of the world but a serious call for us to treasure those who we love...


Bro boonsiong,

May I know how long and how often u cheong before u were diagnosed with HSV2? U think u got it from bbbj or fj? From pros?
If u had read first few pages of my thread, u would know that I didn't cheong that often & mostly did capped bj.

I have been taking Acyclovir 400 mg a day for past 2.5 months. Medication finishing soon.

I think I'm having a secondary outbreak now as I am having flu and there are 3 small pimples on my penis.
Don't know if this is my first secondary outbreak.

HSV2 is a bitter psychological and emotional pill to swallow. So far, still choking me.

[catlover]

A Cure for Cold Sores? - TIME (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1819739,00.html)

Cure for cold sores

[boonsiong1]

Hi heatingup Bro,

I started "cheoging" for around 1 years and 9 months before I got it.
I think I got it from raw fj which I definitely regretted very much.
I did not cheong often.

One thing I realise:
We must really clean ourselves with thorough showers after the sexual activities, even with the risks of a flu. I believe the risks of contacting any STDs will be lower as a result.

The Second Outbreak?
I believe that the three genital pimples are NOT the sign of the second outbreak as

1. Victory of the Antibody over HSV Virus

I have some small blisters on my penis from time to time. They are small, they always appear and recover within the next few days. The next batch of small blisters may just appear thereafter soon enough.

The very small blisters are normal. During the sequential outbreak, the blisters are not as big as the initial outbreak but the quantity is enornous, surely more than 3 blisters. They will be all over the penis.

I believe the antibody has triumph over the virus, which is normally the case. The immune system may one day be more efficient in dealing with the virus, this is what I hope so as to have lesser outbreaks.

2. No "crawling feeling"

From the moment you have the first crawling feeling, you can expect to see a major outbreak in 72 hours.

A prescription of Acyclovir 800 mg is advisable for 5 days as it will shorten the outbreak period to 2/3 days depending on individual, according to my doctor. I did not try that, my first outbreak recovered in 7 days.

My Observations and Declaration
1. What I have shared is my personal experience for your reference. I am not a doctor.

2. I personally take raw honey for a healthier body. Honey will take care of flu related bacteria, hence the antibody will not be down and be ever ready to combat HSV virus. When the antibody is weak, chances of an outbreak will increase tremendously.
I do not have much time to exercise and anything to make myself stronger will be good I believe

3. Acyclovir is generic and made in Malaysia, if I remember correctly. I got it at RM75 for a box of 25 (800Mg) pills. I wonder how much you have paid for them.

4. DO NOT DEPEND TOO MUCH ON THE DOCTOR! They have not experienced what a horrible scare we have gone though mentally and physically. They learn from only "medical books". Most of the doctors do not have much sympathy on patients like us as they think we deserve to pay for our "misdeed". I could see that "expression" on that doctor's face very clearly on my first visit.

Self Observation and Adjustment of Lifestyle is my strategy! It is also cheaper, hahahha

[dickster_99]

One of my buddies was diagnosed with HSV I and HSV II virus recently. He was real depressed during the period of time. He had two gfs and he suspected that it is one of them who passed the virus to him. Eventually, he got both of them to go for a blood test and gf A was tested positive for both HSV I and II while gf B was tested negative for both. He had unprotected sex with both of them for the past one year and how it is possible that one is positive and the other is negative? Gf A claims that she might had gotten the virus from his ex-bf which they had broke up more than a year ago. This seems puzzling, can someone pls enlighten me? :confused:

[boonsiong1]

One of my buddies was diagnosed with HSV I and HSV II virus recently. He was real depressed during the period of time. He had two gfs and he suspected that it is one of them who passed the virus to him. Eventually, he got both of them to go for a blood test and gf A was tested positive for both HSV I and II while gf B was tested negative for both. He had unprotected sex with both of them for the past one year and how it is possible that one is positive and the other is negative? Gf A claims that she might had gotten the virus from his ex-bf which they had broke up more than a year ago. This seems puzzling, can someone pls enlighten me? :confused:

Hi Brother,

One Possibility = Girlfriend A had sex with another person JUST RECENTLY in which she contacted the HSV viruses. She later passed them to your buddy. In between the day of infection and the first outbreak ( a period of 2 to 14 days), your buddy had no sex with girlfriend B. After the first outbreak arrived, I guess your buddy must be too devastated to have any sex with girlfriend B.

Cheers!

[LiptonTea]

Don't worry so much about it.

this isn't a death sentence. just take it as a lesson learnt as i've been warning all my friends about casual sex as well. you never know what you're taking with you when you bed a stranger.

it'll hurt when there's an outbreak. take less nuts and chocs. try to reduce stress to a minimal level. that will lesson outbreaks.

yes it's transmittable to your wife. but since you already have two kids, it should not pose as a big problem if you pass it to her. i know this doesn't sound exactly responsible. weighing between the two, you wanna be honest and destroy your marriage or try your best to control it so you dont get frequent outbreaks and still be normal and also you turn over a new leaf?

important to reduce your stress. when you get outbreaks, try to avoid sex after a week of recovering.

it's not the end of the world since it isn't HIV. just be good to your wife from now on.

[dickster_99]

I feel that what Girlfriend A is saying is a load of crap! My buddy is real damn stupid to actually believe what she says... :mad:

[wodemama]

Probably blinded by love. Ask ur buddy to think about this rationally, he should see the real picture.

[hotshot23sg]

hey guys, practise safe sex, use a condom

[Papaya]

To : heatingup

this thread still going. I read few last pages of your posting and I see one thing you are experiencing.. you difinitely are having a phobia of herpes. I think what some nurses tell you in DSC are too general.. have you try seeking consultation with a doctor there?

anyway, the one thin I think you are most worried I see is tranmission to your kids. Now.. read properly.. if an STD like genital herpes are passed via your normal living activity (like sharing cups, touching, close contact, food, etc) then it would not be call a STD.. remember that. next..

if genital herpes are so easily transmitted to your kids, then wouldnt the world already advices ppl with HSV2 to take precaution steps (beside sexual) to ensure it won't be transmited to others incl kids?

Lastly, again logic thinking.. if say you gave your kids HSV2 via non sexual way.. meaning to say you could have got it via a non sexual way too right?? HSV2 is not transmitted via daily activity. Read up or seek a doctor advice on this, not nurses or counselor.

OK.. as I mentioned to u long ago... HSV2 tranmission via hand in theory might be possible, but no case been reported to be transmitted this way and scientifically is not proven.. what's make u so special to get it via that HJ u received? we have to look at probability to access things in life.. thats why I (and a few ppl here, also the doctor initially) believe you get it from your wife as your activity calender supports it quite strongly.

whatever it is.. HSV2 is not a big deal.. it wont kill u or anyone. And I believe (this one u can chk), if you kid gets HSV2 now.. somebody is going to be arrested for child sex abuse as no doctor will go court claim that the kid get it via drinking ur coffee or touching u.

I think your HSV phobia problem is more serious then the HSV2 problem itself.

[Papaya]

No single lady will want me if she knows I'm down with HSV2. :(

again , u see this problem too serious.. i mean, good not to hv it.. but if u hv it really wont be that bad till no woman wants u.. ok i am not here to tell u to look for other woman and divorce ur wife.. but you are taking your view of having HSV2 a bit off track.. if not mistaken, 20-30% of adult have HSV2 in many developed countries..

I think now, best is that you get the proper advice regarding HSV... then fix up your marriage life.. this HSV2 thing is taking away too much of you and its really not worth the worries.. pay a good $$$ and see one private doctor specialize in STD if u no time wait in DSC..

Other member here pls help on +ve advice too.

[Lormeelover]

Herpes virus is the main cause of genital cancers, as the virus replicates via DNA manipulation. Maybe 30 years later when ur immune system is weaker the virus will take over.

[Zhangfrankie]

Hi, heatingup, bro,
I am so sorry to hear your story but it is very helpful to other bros.
I have read your thread twice. the first one was two months ago when I was suspicious about pimps on my pennis (disappeared within 1-2 days, should not be GH, i panic that time and I did herpeselect test at DSC in eight weeks after exposure (HSV I positive , HSV II negative). So far i don't have any symptoms such as blisterm & ulcer within four months, likely it is not GH, but decided to quit Cheonging ( i had protected sex with FL for 2 times last October and this June, no more in future).

In addition, I didn't talk about this episode with my wife. Sine I always use CD during sex with my wife, I feel a bit safe (Note, bros, CD is not very effective for GH and GW). I am very selfish. I think that it is always good to keep such secret because I want to keep the family intact. Although I panic that time, I read a lot from Medhelp and Herpe Virus Association. gIVEN YOUE situation, likely you got it from your wife (i trust the Herselect test used by DSC). In reality, you have no chance to contract GH from unprotected HJ/BJ (according to Medhelp, a reliable website in US, I am not a doctor). You should not have it in October 2007 because your Herpeselect HSV assay clearly showed HSV II negative (Herpeselect test is 98% accuracy after three month exposure according to Focus Inc). The typical incubation time for GH can be 2-21 days for GH. Agree with Papaya, you can't rule out the possibility that the most likely source is your wife. But since you have talked it openly with your wife, it is impossible to rescue it (other bros, if you have some happens in your pennis, don't panic. If you want to save the family, try to be patient and see a doctor at DSC, Remember females more frequently show asymptomic GH)

In addition, your wife's first reaction is not reliable and a bit weird when you inform her of your GH. Normally, partner should be very upset and fight emotinally with you when she know your betray. If lucky, the partner could forgive the other after a long period of cold war; most of case, the partner can suffer a lot from such betray and even break the family. I have never heard any case like your wife who can still forgive you immediately and have sex with you immediately after that (even more frequent proactive sex with you)?

Finally, I have to point out that Sammyboy is right. He actually suggested that it is not necessary to inform your wife very early due to many asymptomic GH case in female). Now, his suggestion on 20 July is also very correct. It is time to get out of the relationship but you must make it clear with your wife where you got the GH.

you are a nice guy. good luck with your future life.

[heatingup]

Herpes Often Spread Unknowingly

Oct 30, 2008(WebMD) Young women who don't know they have the virus that causes genital herpes could be unknowingly fueling the herpes epidemic, new research suggests.

Although they have no symptoms of the disease and have not been tested, many women are actively shedding the virus in their genital tracts, says Kenneth Fife, MD, of Indiana University School of Medicine in Indianapolis.

"They're often infectious and don't know it," he tells WebMD.

Nationwide, at least 45 million people 12 and older, or one out of five adolescents and adults, have genital herpes, according to the CDC. It's most often caused by herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2).

Fife and colleagues studied 127 young women. They entered the study when they were 14 to 18 and followed for four to six years. Only three of the women had been diagnosed with genital herpes, and the rest hadn't been tested before.

Two-Thirds of Women Actively Shedding Virus

Over the course of the study, about one-fourth of the women who originally tested negative for HSV-2 subsequently tested positive.

But what was really of concern, Fife says, was that two-thirds of the women for whom genital swabs were available were actively shedding virus. "That's when they can spread the disease," he says.

Had the women not been in the study, they might never have been tested, Fife says. Most had no symptoms - not even common symptoms like genital pain or vaginal discharge, which can be caused by a number of disorders, he says.

The research was presented at a joint meeting of the American Society for Microbiology and the Infectious Diseases Society of America.

Viral Shedding Continues for More Than a Decade

In a separate study, University of Washington researchers found that even 10 years after being diagnosed with HSV-2, adults continue to shed virus nearly 14 percent of days, says Paul Auwaerter, MD, of Johns Hopkins.

The study involved 89 otherwise healthy adults with documented HSV-2 infection. As in the Indiana study, most had no symptoms, he says. Auwaerter, who served on the committee that chose which studies to highlight at the meeting, was not involved with the work.

Together, these findings "show why this virus is so successfully spread among the sexually active population," he tells WebMD.

"Many of these women had no symptoms and hence were unaware they had herpes and hence more likely to spread it. You need to be screened specifically for it," Auwaerter says.

Hormonal Contraception May Lower the Body's Natural Defenses

Also at the meeting, researchers reported that the pill and other forms of hormonal contraception may lower a woman's natural defenses against HSV-2.

Gail Shust, MD, and colleagues at Albert Einstein School of Medicine studied the genital fluid from 16 healthy women aged 18 to 25 who were at low risk of acquiring sexually transmitted diseases. Genital fluid has been shown to have natural antimicrobial activity against HSV-2, Shust says.

Nine of the 16 women were using hormonal contraception: Seven were on the pill, one used injectable Depo-Provera, and one the vaginal ring NuvaRing.

Results showed genital fluid from the women using hormonal contraception had significantly less anti-herpes activity compared with the other women, she tells WebMD.

Shust stresses that the study was small and the findings need confirmation in other research.


By Charlene Laino
Reviewed by Louise Chang
©2005-2008 WebMD, LLC. All rights reserved.

Source: Herpes Often Spread Unknowingly, Young Women Who Don't Know They Are Infected May Fuel Epidemic - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/30/health/webmd/main4559021.shtml)

[sammyboyfor]

"They're often infectious and don't know it," he tells WebMD.

Nationwide, at least 45 million people 12 and older, or one out of five adolescents and adults, have genital herpes, according to the CDC. It's most often caused by herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2).



This is the point I have been making all along. Guys who engage in commercial sex will assume that they have caught Herpes from a whore. In reality, there is a good chance that they caught it from the wives or girlfriends.

With 1 out 5 people infected, anyone who has had a handful of girlfriends would, in all probability, have been exposed to HSV2.

Whether they develop symptoms depends largely on the state of their immune system.

[MILFseeker]

This is the point I have been making all along. Guys who engage in commercial sex will assume that they have caught Herpes from a whore. In reality, there is a good chance that they caught it from the wives or girlfriends.

With 1 out 5 people infected, anyone who has had a handful of girlfriends would, in all probability, have been exposed to HSV2.

Whether they develop symptoms depends largely on the state of their immune system.


how about HPV? which is more easier to contract? which i smore contagioius?

[sammyboyfor]

how about HPV? which is more easier to contract? which i smore contagioius?

The prevalence of HPV in females in the US (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/hpv-prevalence0307) :

Data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) published in the February 28, 2007, Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) have provided the first national estimate of the prevalence of human papillomavirus (HPV) infection among women in the United States aged 14 to 59. Investigators found that a total of 26.8 percent of women overall tested positive for one or more strains of HPV (see the journal abstract).

Herpes and Warts are transmitted the same way via skin to skin contact. However, HPV is easier to catch as the virus resides in the infected skin whereas the Herpes virus resides in the nerve tracts and is only infectious during an outbreak or during episodes of viral shredding.

[MILFseeker]

The prevalence of HPV in females in the US (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/hpv-prevalence0307) :

Data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) published in the February 28, 2007, Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) have provided the first national estimate of the prevalence of human papillomavirus (HPV) infection among women in the United States aged 14 to 59. Investigators found that a total of 26.8 percent of women overall tested positive for one or more strains of HPV (see the journal abstract).

Herpes and Warts are transmitted the same way via skin to skin contact. However, HPV is easier to catch as the virus resides in the infected skin whereas the Herpes virus resides in the nerve tracts and is only infectious during an outbreak or during episodes of viral shredding.

thanks for your great info boss, so after treatment still can fuck?:D

[MILFseeker]

thanks for your great info boss, so after treatment still can fuck?:D


i mean few day after my treatment , the warts have shed off a bit, can still fuck? afraid if oepn wond would more easily to contract hiv

[MILFseeker]

i mean few day after my treatment , the warts have shed off a bit, can still fuck? afraid if oepn wond would more easily to contract hiv


i meant i went for cryotherapy on the 29th, its been 5 days the warts shed abit and become smaller, so can i go geylang and have sex? i afraid if the skin havent heal completely will more easy to kana HIV. but i touch there no raw skin.....can cheong alrdy :rolleyes:

[sammyboyfor]

i meant i went for cryotherapy on the 29th, its been 5 days the warts shed abit and become smaller, so can i go geylang and have sex? i afraid if the skin havent heal completely will more easy to kana HIV. but i touch there no raw skin.....can cheong alrdy :rolleyes:

I would wait till the skin has healed completely. Broken skin makes it far easier for you to catch the other very common viral STD.. Genital Herpes.

[brewon]

Hi there Heating,

Not a chionger myself but i did had commercial sex twice recently. Yea i was worried if i could get anything with condom, no raw, no bbbj, no kissing. Just worried, i am not sure why. Then i read your post.

You need all the strength you need. Stay strong and live strong. If you read, go get the lance armstrong biography. Great read, Nothing much related but i guess you need to squeeze every ounce of negativity and turn it positive.


Who is Lance Armstrong? The cyclist who had testicle cancer, swollen to the size of an orange, had cancer spread all over him, lungs and brains. Survived cancer, won the toughest sports event in the world for 7 times in a row after he got cured and came back to join the sport.

Not sure how my post is gonna help but You live well and all the best with your family.

I guess after reading your post, i am never ever gonna engage in any sort of commercial sex again.

[heatingup]

Updates and emergency situation. Bros, please read and advise.

Part 1:
I had my primary outbreak in early Feb 2008 and have had raw sex with my wife since then. When I asked her, she told me she has no pain and blisters on her genital, and no crawling feeling/tingling feeling on her back. I have been wondering why. She should have been infected by me but shows no symptoms at all.

“Occasionally, herpes simplex virus can cause ‘burning skin’ sensations, deep aches or sudden twinges in the genital area. When they occur in the thighs or buttocks, they are sometimes compared to ‘sciatica’. These symptoms are called prodromes – or prodromal symptoms. They are a sign that the virus is trying to reactivate. Sometimes sores will follow, but very often your immune response overcomes the virus before visible signs appear.”
Frequently asked questions (http://www.herpes.org.uk/faq.html#24)

“The first sign of an episode is often a tingling feeling in the skin (called the prodrome). A slight swelling may then develop and then the fluid-filled blisters appear”
International Herpes Alliance, Signs and Symptoms (http://www.herpesalliance.org/signs&symptoms.htm)

I would like to ask all HSV2 sufferers: is crawling, tingling feeling a sure symptom of HSV2? In other words, if u have such feeling, that means some parts of your body have been exposed to the virus and is therefore infected. Is it wrong to say that?

Is she immuned to HSV2, an asymptomatic carrier, or she is the one that infected me? She was a virgin when we married.


Part 2:
I have not been coping well. I have been in varying degrees of depression since Feb 2008. I went hysterical 3 months as there was a situation where my son could be infected (sorry, can’t elaborate here). At that moment, I lost my sanity, screamed and threw things in my room. Hysteria!!!
When my wife came in, how my son could be infected, I hate her and there were many times I wanted to strangle her in her sleep.
I blame my wife for my sexual deprivation, pushing me to look for paid sex, and getting genital herpes but I didn’t verbalise it.
Needless to say, my marriage was the verge of breaking up. I was advised to see a marriage counsellor & a psychiatrist but I declined.
Though things are only slightly better, my mental pain has not gone away as HSV2 is for the time being a permanent condition. My greater fear is actually the possibility of having HSV2 in my mouth (as well as in my genital) and passing the virus to my kids and others accidentally.


Part 3:
I visited DSC a number of times for consultation and daily suppressive medication.
I started taking 2 tablets of Acyclovir 200mg twice (800mg) a day since June. In the process, I was seen by Visiting Fellow, Registrars, Medical Officers, and most recently, a Consultant. I told the Consultant I have been taking 4 tablets of Acyclovir 200mg twice (800mg) a day and hence I felt lesser or none crawling, tingling sensation on my back. He told me I have been taking too much. Even during a secondary outbreak, I only need to take 2 tablets of Acyclovir 200mg thrice (1200mg) a day. He said herpes symptom feeling is poking, not crawling, sensation and suggested me to see a psychiatrist!! However, what he said is different from what I have read on the internet (see Part 1) and medical journal articles.

On Sep 11, I went to DSC and was seen by a Medical Officer. Told him about the incident where my daughter secretly drank my coffee when O had 2 or 3 ulcers in my mouth and 2/3 days later, she had 3 ulcers on her front gum. The MO said, “Your daughter probably has what you have”. On heart sank again. I told him I had a small ulcer at the tip on my tongue and I requested to do a swab test to determine if it is HSV 1 or 2 or Hand Foot Mouth Disease (HFMD) as I shared soup with my daughter during her HFMD outbreak 1.5 weeks back. He said ulcer couldn’t be seen. Most likely was normal ulcer. I took his words for it.


Sep 12 was supposed to be a memorable day. I kissed a gal who I have been liking for years. Jane professed her liking for me a month ago and we agreed to be together emotionally, not sexually. I kissed and licked her upper back before French kissing her.
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/adult-discussions-about-sex/74213-anti-molestation-personal-safety-alarm.html
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/adult-discussions-about-sex/74934-asking-colleagues-panty-memento.html

Sep 25, I told Jane I have HSV2 at penis, i.e. genital herpes, but don’t know if I have it in my mouth. She did not discriminate against me and just wanted to know more about it.

Sep 26, I printed out info from Herpes Viruses Association and showed it to her. She enquired about “prodromal symptoms’. I told her it is a crawling or tingling sensation and I demonstrated it on her back. She told me she has been having crawling or tingling sensation a week after we kissed. We panicked and cried in the public. That night, she wondered about alone in hot spots area until very late before going home. I felt so apologetic towards her as she might endanger her sons and husband.

Sep 29, she went for herpes blood test. Her, and my, mood swings were violent and frequent.

Oct 4, Jane’s herpes and other STD blood test results were negative. Nonetheless, crawling or tingling sensation persists on a spot on her upper back. Very strange. Only lately that I recalled I licked and kissed her back first before kissing her mouth. Could that be the entry point for the virus?

Then, I visited a GP and an oral surgeon regarding possibility of me having HSV2 in my mouth. Both of them told me, herpes outbreak should be a cluster and the surgeon specified about 6-7 blisters, and doing a swab is needed to determine. As I don’t have any cluster outbreak, I didn’t do any mouth swab.

In the mean time, my relation with Jane accelerated (despite frequent mood swings) while my relations with my wife deteriorated after my hysteria. I managed to coax her to go to be more intimate with me while I promised I won’t do oral sex and intercourse on her and won’t take off my pants for safety reasons.

We petted 5 times altogether. Each time, I didn’t do oral sex on her, didn’t have intercourse with her, AND I always wear a disposable brief and a pair of boxer shorts. Sometimes, I wore a disposable brief and a pair of shorts. There was once I wore 2 disposable briefs and a pair of boxer shorts. She was naked and we only hugged and I fingered her. Before I fingered her, I repeatedly washed my hands with hand soap and I don’t touch my pubic area or mouth at all. She also didn’t touch my groin and penis.

Then came a shock. She told me since the third time of our petting, she has been having pain in her vagina and that sort of pain is different from her menstruation cramps or pain. She didn’t mention to me until recently when I keep having pain in my groin. I recalled that on the third occasion, after intense kissing and I bent down to smell her vagina, my nose accidentally brushed her vagina for less than a second.

When I mentioned this to the DSC Consultant, he said unlikely to get genital herpes from such a manner.

Jane just updated me that she has been having this pain every other day. I remember I had aches and pain in my groin prior to my first outbreak.

Since then, I have been emotionally tormented and experienced multiple mood swings. I see a few possible scenarios ahead of me. If

(A) No herpes in her mouth, upper back and groin --> leave her when the time comes.
(B) Herpes in her mouth or upper back --> leave her when the time comes.
(C) Possible infection in groin & blood test positive but no symptoms --> I don’t know what should I do.
(D) Outbreak in her genital and she didn’t get it from her husband --> worst-case scenario --> She asked me before and I emotionally told her I would divorce and marry her as she will be kicked out of the house by her husband. I would be reluctant to divorce as relationship with wife has just improved as she is not verbally abusive anymore (see my previous postings). Most importantly, I won’t bear to leave my young kids, not matter how naughty they are at times, and I won’t be able to see them everyday. Comparing my wife, Jane, and my daughter, I realise that I love my daughter the most and I tell her that almost everyday.
Or should I be a bastard and leave Jane, not bother with what’s going to happen to her like being ditched by husband? This option is very cruel to her. When she knew I was in serious depression early this year and didn’t know about my herpes, she showered me with care and concern. When my life was at rock bottom this year with all the troubles at home, Jane was there to nurse and nourish my heart and soul. Otherwise, I would still be a walking zombie. Despite knowing she could be possibly infected by me, she still tells me not to worry. Jane is a very caring, loving and lovely gal.

I find it rather awkward or even stupid to divorce, leave my children, see them once or twice a week, and yet stay with Jane and look after Jane’s two sons everyday while missing terribly my own children. If my wife eventual remarries, would that new father sexually abuse my daughter? If she doesn’t remarry, would she brain-wash my kids that they won’t want to see me or grow up hating me? These are my fears…

Can bros kindly advise what I should do if scenario (C) or (D) happens? I am panicking and having serious depression as I reckon from my personal experience Jane is likely to have her primary outbreak soon and time is running out for me.

[applepie99]

Updates and emergency situation. Bros, please read and advise.

Can bros kindly advise what I should do if scenario (C) or (D) happens? I am panicking and having serious depression as I reckon from my personal experience Jane is likely to have her primary outbreak soon and time is running out for me.

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Hi Brother,

You've just provided yourself the answer. Since you love your daughter the most, then you should not do things to hurt her, like getting a divorce. Your children needs you at this young age. Don't be stupid to break up your family because of an office fling. I hope you don't get into serious depression. You should consider getting professional counselling before things get worse.

[sammyboyfor]

Can bros kindly advise what I should do if scenario (C) or (D) happens? I am panicking and having serious depression as I reckon from my personal experience Jane is likely to have her primary outbreak soon and time is running out for me.

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You really seem to be off your rocker. Herpes is such a minor infection. 99% of those who have the virus simply shrug their shoulders and move on with life.

You aren't going blind. You aren't losing your ability to walk. Your brain is not rotting from madcow disease. You should thank your lucky stars and wake up every morning full of gratitude that you'll be able to see your daughter grow up and that you'll even be able to enjoy being a grandfather in the not too distant future.

This guy is not so lucky.

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[lcbguy]

Isn't Chew Chor Meng's illness worse off than you ?! Always appreciate and treasure what you've now else you'll regret for life.Cheer up brother :).Last night I watched the Chinese documentary show on Chew Chor Meng's illness and I was very lucky that we can eat,sleep,bonk,run,jog,speak,breathe, etc which many of us take for granted all these daily activities. Think abt it.Your case is NOTHING.

[heatingup]

Isn't Chew Chor Meng's illness worse off than you ?! Always appreciate and treasure what you've now else you'll regret for life.Cheer up brother :).Last night I watched the Chinese documentary show on Chew Chor Meng's illness and I was very lucky that we can eat,sleep,bonk,run,jog,speak,breathe, etc which many of us take for granted all these daily activities. Think abt it.Your case is NOTHING.

bro lcbguy,

I thank and appreciate your reply.

It is certainly true that Chew Chor Meng's illness worse off than mine.
I contain my strong emotions and suppress my resentment for my wife better now.
The critical situation now for me is, what if Jane got HSV2 from me and has an outbreak in her genital, AND what am i supposed to do with her and my family, particularly my kids.

Have a great weekend ahead.

[sammyboyfor]

The critical situation now for me is, what if Jane got HSV2 from me and has an outbreak in her genital, AND what am i supposed to do with her and my family, particularly my kids.

Have a great weekend ahead.

Genital herpes is NOT transmitted by non sexual contact.

[silverblue]

i dont know what to say about you anymore. you never learn do you?

let me refresh your memory to 10 months back. see the red font down there? no, i dont apply the colour on the font. you did.
25 February 2008, 12.15am

I reminded her of my serious Premature Ejaculation (PE) and told her the types of medicine I consumed these few years. Told her all medicines are of no use, when i saw an internet posting, I went for it once, and did not know whether she washed her hands before treating my groin. I did not feel anything amiss until 5 Feb, the next day after I had sex with her. I told her I went to DSC and doc said could be my sensitive skin problem manifesting on my pubic area and penis. I collected my result after CNY and turned out to be positive. I apologized to her profusely and in tears. I told her I contacted HSV II from the groin massage either the masseuse has it on her fingers or she transplanted the virus from the guy(s) before me to me during the visit last October. I told her it is incurable but non-fatal. However, it involves blisters, ulcers, pain and itch using outbreak.

To my surprise, she told me we are married and should go through anything together. Since the disease is not life threatening, we just have to live with it. I told her I have gone for HIV test and is negative. She added that even if I have AIDS she will live with me. My heart cried in deep regrets and nothing but regrets.

I explained about primary infection and recurrent infections to her and showed her the handouts printed from Internet about HSV II. She suggested we strengthen our body and immunity system so reduce chances and severity of recurrent infections. She added the we need time to be together too, without the kids. My heart melted.

She told me she does not mind my PE problem and she does not have much sexual urge. She continued that many times in the past she was frustrated with my impatience with my kids though I spent only a short time with them. That frustration became the main reason for her not to have sex with me. I was very guilty of my intolerance of nonsense from my kids.

25 February 2008, 6 am

My wife snuggled up to me and told me she wanted sex! I was horrified!!!
I told her to give me a few more days for me to be completely recovered and let the lesions disappear. It is unbelievable that she INSISTED of doing it. I guess she wants to share what i "have" and we manage "it" together. I relented on the condition that I wear a condom.

Before penetration, I inspected her private part and found some pimples and rashes on inner thigh! Guess she was infected by me on 4 Feb and is experiencing a mild outbreak :(

I told myself that all forms of commercial sex is completely out for me, and I strive to be a better husband and father, irrespective whether she deprives me in the future.


I take this episode as a final stop to sexscapdes though it is late for me; but better late than never.

after everything that your wife been through with you, this is how you treat her? Hooking up with Jane?

Passion goes away, it always does. Few months down the road a new Jane will appear and you will feel new sunshine again. Instead of looking for a new sunshine, why dont you appreciate your existing one that been shining on you for years?

[HCaddict]

I think most men are like that. It happens to me, went for HIV test twice and told myself to stop commercial sex and after sometime, totally forgot about the fear and cheong again.

Bro Heatingup, I think at this stage, nobody can give you a perfect solution to your problem. It's only which path choose.

When you told me about your intention of starting a relationship with Jane earlier on, I told you to stay away but you just won't listen. I really don't know how to help you at this stage when you told me your situation that day. Sigh ..... :(

[lcbguy]

At this stage I would advise you to seek marriage counselling to straighten out your confused entangled thoughts.
Try to relax and don't give yrself unnecessary pressures.:)
In yr present state you are just "banging yr head at different walls".
Tell yrself that your present problem is not the end of the world as there is always a solution for every problem and things happen to us for a certain reason.:confused:

[fee3fow]

hey Bro heatingup just read through your posting and would like to give some advice to you
Be Positive!! Jane have not been confirm with any STDs yet and you already start worrying abt she divorce her husband,ur wife leaving you etc. We are not God we will never know what will happen in the future so no point brooding over something that only have a possibility of happening and making your life miserable
Be Responsible To What You Do!! It seems that you are already in a situation between two women and one of them is bound to get hurt(either your wife or Jane) Best scenarios dun always happen in life so whatever is the outcome of your decision you will have to live with it for the rest of your life,be it in regret.remorse,joy or happiness
Mean What You Say!! you say 10 mths back "I told myself that all forms of commercial sex is completely out for me, and I strive to be a better husband and father, irrespective whether she deprives me in the future. "I know it is hard to resist temptations but You have to find a way for it if not a 2nd Jane, 3rd Jane problem will just keep appearing in this forum

Not sure what decisions you are going to make but i think got alot of Bros here with tons of life experience and advise to share with you for you to make a decision. No matter what happen, even if your wife and children really leave you or hate you for their life, still showered them with all your love for she was once your other half and they are indeed your flesh and blood. If Jane divorce her husband because of you, help her in any way you can for you are indebted to her.End of the day, you reap what you sow, they might hate you for what you did but that hatred will not stop your love for them

[juzz]

Dear Brother

I feel sorry for what has happened to you.

At such times, we really feel depressed, hopeless, lonely, unloved, as if no one in the world can help us etc etc.

As many brothers have advised, you really need to take a step back and see the big picture and learn how to let go of your problems, meaning...do not get overwhelmed by the negativity and hopelessness of your mind/situation but learn how to solve them in a calm and detached manner.

You must have read or heard about many examples about letting go especially of the negativity within the mind but just to refresh your memory....

The bird was clinging to the tree branch and calling out that it does not know how to fly. But if it is afraid to let go of the branch, how is it ever going to fly?

The monkey's hand was stuck within the coconut because it refuses to let go of the nuts that was within its grasp.

Behind every dark cloud is a silver lining.

Thunder storms and lightnings come before the downpour but it does not mean that the sky will forever be gloomy. The bright sun rays will pop up in the next instance befor eyou know it.:)

Ultimately it is all in the MIND!! :mad:

Of course, it is easier said than done. We have really lost our balance in life and are overwhelmed by our materialistic wants and as such need to balance it with spiritual strength and knowledge especially in your case. Such spirituality injection will bring meaning and reassurances to your situation and life in general.

Do consider about seeking Religious advice depending on your background or Spiritual help in terms of meditation, therapy, counselling etc. I am sure it will really help you resolve your problems.

DO NOT WASTE TIME. YOU REALLY NEED TO STEP THE FIRST STEP TO SEEK SUCH HELP IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THEM.

Good luck to you and your loved ones!!:)

[sammyboyfor]

Dear Brother

I feel sorry for what has happened to you.


He's hardly an innocent victim of circumstance. :rolleyes:

There's nothing he's suffering from that he did not create for himself.:p

[Big Sexy]

sorry mate...but you dont deserve either of them.... get out of their life..


Can bros kindly advise what I should do if scenario (C) or (D) happens?

[LostALau]

I got to know I am Genital herpes positive on 14 Feb 2008, valentine's day.
My heart was smashed into pieces and I almost cried in the DSC counsellor's room. Till now I am still puzzled when and how I got it.

I feel sorry for u for getting Genital herpes but I feel more sorry for you for putting yourself in a 'mental institution'.

I hope that your tests are wrong but in the event that yours is a confirmed case, there is nothing you can do about it now except to get into a time machine and travel back in time.

Pl wake up to the fact that Genital herpes will not kill u or anyone in your family. You may suffer from some discomfort, inconvenience or even pains but you will live on to accompany your wife into old age and see your children grow up. If you become pyscho because of the disease, you are definitely going to destroy you own life and that of your wife and children.

Imagine when you get a flu, the suffering is much worse. You get fever, headache, bone ache, running nose, loose bowels and a host of other symptoms. You will also pass it to your family members and others around you. You will become bedridden and not fit for work. Ultimately, you will get well and continue with your normal life but from time to time you will get infected again and then you will recover and carry on life again. and again........and again. ............

So take Genital herpes as another form of flu and live with it. Meanwhile, take precaution and try not to affect others as far as possible. As for your relationship with another woman, my advice is don't complicate your life further.

[LostALau]

Tks Bro Juss for your points.

Posting with the hope that Bro heating will open up himself and carry on with life normally and happily. I definitely will be saddened to see anyone destroy himself and bring about more misery to his loved ones.

Bro heating, BE BRAVE AND FACE LIFE POSITIVELY! As u can see from the postings here, many bros are behind you. DONT let us down hor. :)

[OIOIO]

like my doctor said, Genital Herpes is just having Chicken Pox at the wrong area.
You won't die from it. When there is an outbreak, it is just troublesome! Both my
wife and myself are carriers and really, we are just living our life normally! The only thing I sincerely wanted to remind is, please be faithful to your partner! There are far worse STD out there! You have a choice, choose wisely.

[sextouch]

its true that most people have in without even knowing it. my wife and I carry on with our life as normal too, and we have 3 kids now. nothing changes at all, only some days cannot have sex thats all.......

be strong since its our own doing and we will have to face it

[heatingup]

Sorry for the late updates and non-responses.
For bros who had encouraged me, thank you.
For bros who had reprimanded me, thank you too.
For those who want to know how I got into a mess, dig up all my threads and postings since I joined SBF in Sep 2005.


Valentine’s Day is a depressing day for me.
It was 2008 Valentine’s Day that I got to know in DSC I am HSV2 positive.
So much turmoil has happened in 1 year and the emotional angst, pain and guilt is tremendous.

My symptoms
I suffered from an ailment recently so stopped taking with Acyclovir for three weeks. Surprisingly, I did not have any outbreak. What’s more is I had very few times or zero times of crawling, tingling feeling on my lower back. I had only one instance of mouth ulcer. I used to get it every other week when I was on Acyclovir as a form of daily suppressives.
So I wonder does Acyclovir helps to suppress or activates HSV2 outbreak.

Nonetheless, I still get aching pain in the base of my penis. WTF


Jane’s conditions
She has been suffering in silence as she knows that if she tells me I would feel extremely depressed, guilty and remorseful.

After our petting in her apartment, she started to have 阵痛 means rhythmic pain in her groin and inside her vagina.
After our first kissing, she started to have crawling feeling at her right side of her shoulder only. That feeling was localized.
Since late December, she started to have crawling feeling at the centre of her spinal cord and each time the sensation traveled downwards. In other words, the sensation was no longer localized.

Jane did not tell me all these and her mood became very volatile, getting angry for the slightest incident of me talking with female colleagues from the accounts department. I started to be intolerant of her “nonsense”.

It is only recently that she told me of her tingling sensation at her middle back and rhythmic pain in her groin and inside her vagina.

She never had any strange sensation before we kissed and before we petted and I had my boxers on.

We fear that the one ulcer I had on our third petting was a HSV2 ulcer, I sucked her breasts, rubbed her breasts, and brought the virus in my saliva to her vagina, though we NEVER had oral sex or vaginal sex.

We both cried in a restaurant.

There is nothing we can do now. Only to pray that she is not infected by me…
I feel so guilty towards Jane.



Questions seeking answers from HSV2 sufferers and SBF samsters who are doctors

1. Is crawling/tingling sensation a signature symptom of HSV2 infection? One DSC Consultant told me it is NOT but I have been feeling it weeks before my primary outbreak.



2. Can there be an infection in the following mode: a mouth ulcer --> sucking of breasts --> rubbing of breasts --> fingering of vagina?

Sexually Transmitted Diseases: A Practical Guide for Primary Care (2006)
Edited by
Anita L. Nelson, MD
Harbor/UCLA Medical Center Torrance, CA

JoAnn Woodward, RNC, BSN, NP
Health Care Partners, Redondo Beach, CA
And Harbor/UCLA Nurse Practitioner Program, Torrance, CA

Chapter 3: Genital Herpes,
by Gene Parks, MD • Assistant Clinical Professor, Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, Los Angeles, CA
pages 49-50 state that:

INFECTIVITY AND TRANSMISSION
Herpes is highly contagious. Seventy-five percent of sexual partners of HSV-
2-infected people contract the disease. In a study of seronegative sexually active individuals, the annual rates of infection were 1.6% for HSV-1 and 5.1% for HSV-2; the primary route of transmission of HSV-2 infection is genital-to genital skin contact with an infected partner who is shedding virus symptomatically or asymptomatically. HSV-2 is responsible for about 80% of genital herpes infections, even though there are as many initial cases with HSV-1 infection, which is usually acquired through oral–genital contact, HSV-2 is more likely to cause recurrent episodes. HSV-1 genital infections are higher in men who have sex with men (MSM).

Asymptomatic shedding is responsible for most of the transmission of HSV. HSV DNA has been detected by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) from genital samples of HSV-2-infected women on 28% of days. In discordant couples, 69% of transmission occurred when the infected partner was asymptomatic. Transmission of HSV between discordant sexual partners occurs at a rate of about 10% per year. Asymptomatic shedding is more common with HSV-2 than with HSV-1 infection.

Although transmission of HSV infections generally results from intimate skin-to-skin contact with an infected individual, it can also result from exposure to infected saliva, semen, vaginal secretions, or fluid from active herpetic lesions. Drying and room temperature quickly inactivate the virus. Therefore, HSV transmission is not believed to occur often through exposure to fomites.



3. Since my first outbreak in Feb 2008 and raw fucks since then, my wife said she has no crawling sensation on her back or any blisters on her vagina. Any possible explanation for this and the difference between Jane’s conditions and my wife’s?


4. Can HSV2 be passed on via non-sexual ways like light kissing on children's face and like sharing of food, water and straw with infected people?


Thank you for reading.
God and Buddha, i beg u to bless all of us.

[DesSia]

Genital Herpes can be transferred via raw sex and bj. Is your wife clean in the first place!

[SinDellman]

reading thru the 38 pages can really made a person to give up on cheonging ...
but again, if one's wife has totally no interest in sex anymore, and if one does not outsource sex from FL, then what's the meaning of living in the world for the rest of one's life?:mad:

Do you think one can survive without sex for the rest of our life?

[Oralcraz]

Hi heatingup,
I read thru' this thread fm pg 1-14. I am not a medical guy, so am not going to advise u on yr HSV2 issue as I think the info/posting here is tremendous already.

What I want to share with u has got nothing to do with Gential Herpes but since u r somewhat in depression, I would like to share with u my true life story and I hope will help u "SEE better", "FEEL calmer" and "ACT better" with regards to managing yr emotion and relationship.

With regards to love life and relationship, I am in SIMILAR situation like u. I am 45 and married for 18 yrs. My first gf, for 5 years, wow, enjoy sex very much (as my drive is extremely high). Hv sex almost everyday once or twice. I enjoy clubbing and of course I luv her to join me (I always encourage her) but she is the homely type and in the end, we split cos she cannot accept my clubbing act.
Then I met my wife (present). Go clubbing together, enjoy great sex too, then short gun, married and be a daddy. :(That's when my life changed. She is not the girl I use to know b4 married. Started to make irrational demands both financially and behavior wise. When needed her help in trivial matters, the respone was always very rude.....so much so that is easier for a friend to help then her. I tried my best to accommodate but being 28 yrs old then, I also respone with anger and ferocious temper and quarrel many times. (I must admit I am not a 100% perfect husband too). Also, no doubt I did not hear words with my own ears, but I believe her sisters "adding gossips and unwarranted advice" didn't help our relationship either. Our sex life was totally nil. Once she even kick me off the bed when I tried to make advances (then, we were married about 2 yrs only). At that time, I said to myself, 30 only. My sex life from everyday to nil. Lack of sex, lack of luv and care. Like u, I blame her for tis. Very down emotionally. At the verge of divorce. I tried to reflect on our relationship(u should too). What when wrong? Tis situation went on for 2-3 yrs. Come along a beautiful, sexy colleague who is 12 yrs younger then me. Share good conversation and has good mature mindset. Wah! How to tahan! So, decided to seriously consider a new relationship. However, this lady has a bf who is a 2 timer. So, when bf 2 time her, she spent time with me. We were intimate but no sexual intercourse. Although very tiring and taxing, relationship was pleasant for about 6 months until.....one day.....I decided to spy on her. Told her will be outstation for 3 days but was at her opposite blk on one of the afternoon. Notice bf at her house (no one else at home). Try calling but for 30 mins no one answer. Notice bf came out fm house and left. At that moment, tears were on my eyes. Told myself, Heng Ah. A day later when asked.....admitted was f...... with him. Totally devastated but then I said to myself, afterall who am I to her??? So, I just:) and that's it. Ended. Then my mum was sad and then passed away. I suddenly woke up. Realized the problem. Is not about who is good or no good. The problem is that THE LOVE between us is.....GONE. So how to blame her for not hvin sex with me leh??? Now, she even tells me to go and "find" if I want sex. HA HA HA, where got wife like that one. But....., I did not divorce. I did not look for another fling after the one above either. Instead, I changed myself to take life more openly, exercise more tolerance and manage myself and the relation in a more rational manner. I can say I am happy now as the relation is much "calmer". No sex mah No loh! PCC or HJ Loh!

Whether FL or wife infected u is immaterial now. What I feel best for u is to compose yrself n "wake up". Manage yr HSV2 like a man with maturity. Also, manage yr marriage with due deligent. I hope my sharing above can help u see better and best wishes to u.

By the way, I disagree with u on yr relationship with Jane. You know yr condition, yet u.....hah!:( I hope she is all clear and hope you too manage that in a professional fashion.

[heatingup]

reading thru the 38 pages can really made a person to give up on cheonging ...
but again, if one's wife has totally no interest in sex anymore, and if one does not outsource sex from FL, then what's the meaning of living in the world for the rest of one's life?:mad:

Do you think one can survive without sex for the rest of our life?

Bro, previous sex deprivation by my wife was the push factor that I cheonged. Of course my lack of self-discipline is in part to blame. I thought I won't be so unlucky to get STD. Now proven that I am fucking unlucky.

[heatingup]

like my doctor said, Genital Herpes is just having Chicken Pox at the wrong area.
You won't die from it. When there is an outbreak, it is just troublesome! Both my
wife and myself are carriers and really, we are just living our life normally! The only thing I sincerely wanted to remind is, please be faithful to your partner! There are far worse STD out there! You have a choice, choose wisely.


Bro, thank u for your comforting words. could you share how your wife and u became carriers? who infected who & how both of u cope emotionally & psychologically? Do u have any kids? How do u prevent them from harm?

Hope u would share with me. PM me if u don't wish to share publicly. Thanks.

[magichat]

Hi heatingup,
I. I can say I am happy now as the relation is much "calmer". No sex mah No loh! PCC or HJ Loh!

.
Bro, i understand that u r married for 18 yr, and based on ur above statement ,i guess u never hav sex with wife for 18 yr......or i interept wrongly.

[heatingup]

Hi heatingup,
I read thru' this thread fm pg 1-14. I am not a medical guy, so am not going to advise u on yr HSV2 issue as I think the info/posting here is tremendous already.

What I want to share with u has got nothing to do with Gential Herpes but since u r somewhat in depression, I would like to share with u my true life story and I hope will help u "SEE better", "FEEL calmer" and "ACT better" with regards to managing yr emotion and relationship.

With regards to love life and relationship, I am in SIMILAR situation like u.

I hope my sharing above can help u see better and best wishes to u.

By the way, I disagree with u on yr relationship with Jane. You know yr condition, yet u.....hah!:( I hope she is all clear and hope you too manage that in a professional fashion.

Bro Oralcraz,

I thank u for sharing yr personal experience with me. As I said before, only men with sexually non-responsive wife will understand the emotional pain and frustration of sex deprivation. I must say u went through a lot, more than I do.

I wish to achieve yr state of mental serenity and handle problem maturely and sensibly.

Ever since Jane told me about her crawling feeling and pain in the groin, I have been feeling depressed.

The best is Jane is not infected and I'll let her live her life in safety.

But things turned out worse.

I went to biz devt unit to look for Jane to sign a document. When I saw her, she was secretly weeping and I know we are in deep shit…

Since last week, Jane has been having bad body aches and symptoms like giddiness, mild fever, fatigue & weakness. She has 3 pimples at the groin area for past 4 days where she told me she has been having 阵痛 since 2 months ago. She also feels cold though not in air-con room.

Her symptoms sound like what I get (flu-like symptoms) when I suffer from outbreak.
The previous time she had many pimples in her bum, she also had flu for 3 weeks.
Could be that last time was primary outbreak and this time is secondary outbreak.

She refuses to see any doc despite my pleas and is paranoid about passing the virus accidentally to her sons through daily parental kissing.

I am and we are going crazy!!!

I completely regretted starting a love relationship with her.
My foolishness has brought tremendous harm to her even though we did not have sex.

GOD HELP US PLEASE!!!

[Oralcraz]

Bro, i understand that u r married for 18 yr, and based on ur above statement ,i guess u never hav sex with wife for 18 yr......or i interept wrongly.

Bro, u interpret wrongly. I apologies for not being clear. I summarized as follows:
1)Pak Tor 1 & half yrs: 4-5 times a week.
2)Married 1st year before give birth, about once a week until 4-5 months pregnancy...then hv to stop.
3)Second year of married (After give birth) :1-2 times a week.
4)About Third year onwards, relationship problem crops in. Very Very Very seldom hv sex.....(maybe....less then 10 times/year) goes on for next few years.
5)About eight years into marriage, after my mum passed away and started to wake up, till now, sometimes once a month, sometimes never.
Only after mens when she itch, then just do it (with cap). Married until now, never bonk raw.:( I lost the feeling of raw oredi.

[Oralcraz]

Bro Oralcraz,

I thank u for sharing yr personal experience with me. As I said before, only men with sexually non-responsive wife will understand the emotional pain and frustration of sex deprivation. I must say u went through a lot, more than I do.

I wish to achieve yr state of mental serenity and handle problem maturely and sensibly.

I am and we are going crazy!!!

I completely regretted starting a love relationship with her.
My foolishness has brought tremendous harm to her even though we did not have sex.

GOD HELP US PLEASE!!!

We can only advise and lend u a listening ear. The bros hear are no God. Steady yourself. Advise J to go for a check. Is a MUST. It could be psychological. No point avoiding. If had it, proceed with medication. If not, treat all bros here for kopi...(joking). Good luck.

[wtfistis]

hi all bros in sbf . can kissing get herpes ?

[Oralcraz]

hi all bros in sbf . can kissing get herpes ?

HSV1 can be transmitted by kissing.

[Papaya]

bro heatingup

i dont believe u are still not over this HSV-2 thing.

let me say it again.. its darn common in any country where ppl fuck ard

it does not kill u .. with the advancement of Spore medical industry.. its even a easier disease to managed.

agian i say.. herpes-2 is STD.. u need to hv SEX or VERY CLOSE contact in pussy/dick to get it.. mouth to mouth tranmission is very very rare.. cup to mouth is even not heard of.. if its possible then ppl eat in kopitiam all get it liow

as for JANE.. go do a herpes select test 3 mths later and she will know kena or not.. WHAT IS THERE SO HARD AND WORRYING?

[JediSkull]

hi all bros in sbf . can kissing get herpes ?

yes...... herpes is more infectious compared to hiv.... so do take care.....

[Papaya]

yes...... herpes is more infectious compared to hiv.... so do take care.....

but thats HSV1.. its not STD.. 70% of ppl will get it by the time they are old

HSV2 (an STD) seldom infect the month.. so kissing is a rare form of tranmission..

[IamNewbie]

Wonder if a person is infected with HSV-2 but refuse to seek medication and just bear the pain, what will happen to him/her? will it be life-threatening?:confused:

[rezz]

Wonder if a person is infected with HSV-2 but refuse to seek medication and just bear the pain, what will happen to him/her? will it be life-threatening?:confused:

My understanding is if the person doesn't receive treatment, the sores may go away by itself but it is usually very rare. Herpes is incurable but you can keep the symptons (Rashes) under control. This is because the virus are embedded in your nervous system, which can be removed by any known medication at present.

[heatingup]

I have lots of crawling feeling on my back and rash on my bum for the past few days. Think going to have another outbreak soon.

Whenever I have outbreak on penis, mouth ulcers or quarrels with wife, my suppressed hatred for my wife automatically surfaced and lingered for 2 weeks or more. When that happened, I prefer to work late, go to museum or HMV alone than to go home & see her face.

For those had PMed me about Jane: she is 1.73m tall, her C-cup size (though a bit saggy due to breastfeeding) is usually well-hidden behind her power suits. A bit of ang-mo look as her great grandmother was a Portuguese. Sexiest time is when she remove her suit, let her straight hair down after office hours and swing her hair side to side. My cock usually pit tent after seeing that.

Jane’s engineer husband, who has been out-stationed at a Southeast Asian country since September last year, is coming back to Singapore for good TOMORROW AFTERNOON due to the current economic crisis. Naturally, he’ll want to have sex with babelicious Jane. Given Jane’s symptoms, my worst-case scenario seems going to happen soon….. :(:(:(

GOD BLESS US

[heatingup]

Jane’s husband’s return to Singapore is postponed to a later unknown date. So I’m safe for the time being.

I was in charge of a US$2m project and had been busy for past 3 weeks. Fatigue and lack of sufficient sleep. I feared another herpes outbreak. As posted earlier, I had many times of crawling or tingling feelings on my lower and upper back, and rashes on my bum. I even had tingling sensation on my neck. Muscle aches as welll. A day later, a tiny ulcer appeared on my tongue. 2 days later, 2 ulcers on my lips on my lips. The ulcers are not those when I have whenever I have too much fast food or durians. They are those I had last year when I first kissed Jane and thereafter she developed crawling feelings. From my experience, big deep ulcers seem to be HSV1 ulcers and small swallow ulcers seem to be the more dangerous HSV2 ulcers. I took extra care not to kiss my kids, and to keep my cup far away from them.

As our company generously provides free annual medical check up and employees can pay for additional tests, Jane is due to go for her annual check up. She asked me a difficult question. If she opts for STD (include HSV2) tests and HSV2 test turns out to be positive, what would I do? Would I divorce my wife and marry her? Given her persistent symptoms mentioned before, she is likely to be positive.

I was stunned by her question and the kind of shit I’m in that I dropped my cup of UCC coffee on my legs and shoes. Just then, my mean director walked past and shook his head in disapproval.

Jane is a wonderful gal for a girlfriend and wife but primarily I’m still not willing to give up my children, and secondarily shift out of my present condo, pay for a new unit to stay and pay for monthly alimony.

Ever since she asked me that question, I have been having worse depression and migraine…

I pray for a cure to be readily available this year so that my problems will be resolved.

[t1t1]

... the more dangerous HSV2 ulcers. I took extra care not to kiss my kids, and to keep my cup far away from them.
...
I pray for a cure to be readily available this year so that my problems will be resolved.

Yo bro,

I have been a lurker on this forum for the past 10 years, and your posts prompted me to register a nick, just to offer you an advice (from me, my personal, and real experience).

I also contracted HSV2 seven years ago. The initial flare-up and out-break is very similar to yours. Flu-like symptoms, body ache, tingles and crawling sensation at 1st contact point, followed by pain and skin blisters out-break. Initially I thought the flu-like symptoms were HIV infection, scared to death. When I am back in Singapore, went to DSC to do a test and confirmed HIV negative. Then later I realised that it was HSV2.

Once I self-diagnosed the symptoms to be HSV2, I went to a skin doctor, and he confirmed it (that was already my 3rd outbreak). Was given Acyclovir tablets to eat and Acyclovir cream to apply.

The dosage that you have taken is far too much! In fact, just one pill a day is more than enough. The important thing is to relax and not stress yourself up too much, as stress is the major trigger of outbreaks. Once my initial 1st year of outbreak is over, I do not need the pills anymore, just the cream will do ... spread a thin layer on the problematic area.

Like yourself, my marriage goes through the same sexless phase ... which is why I went out to look for sex. However, unlike you, I strive to achieve emotional connection with my wife, which resulted in my marriage being stronger as the years goes by (ironic, but true). Sex is not everything in a marriage.

Communication is key in a marriage. Open a dialogue with your wife, and you will see results.

As I learn to deal with the HSV2 virus that I am carrying, I realized that it is not that fearful after all. Think of it as a more severe form of flu or skin infection. There is no need to get hyper about it.

In fact, these past 7 years, no one else knows that I am HSV2 positive other than the skin doctor that I visited. It is not a life endangering condition/infection, just relax and live your life normally.

[OIOIO]

Yep, it's not going to kill you. In fact, I am having an outbreak now hahaha! Just pop the pills and apply cream. No sex for the time being. When you learn what triggers the outbreak, you will know how to prevent one. It's hard but
possible. Being a carrier, it's one's responsibility to inform your partner so that
he/she has an option whether to proceed with a sexual relationship with you.
Talk to your doctor as they are the professionals in this area and have seen far worse cases.

[OIOIO]

Bro, thank u for your comforting words. could you share how your wife and u became carriers? who infected who & how both of u cope emotionally & psychologically? Do u have any kids? How do u prevent them from harm?

Hope u would share with me. PM me if u don't wish to share publicly. Thanks.

Who infected who is not the issue. The main thing is, we are husband and wife! You have to be supportive and be honest. Don't expect anything in return and don't beg for forgiveness. You will be surprised that it's a very common STD and very hideous. So you never know how you got it especially when you have been sexually active in the past. If you have HSV1 which commonly affects the mouth and lips, it is recommended not to kiss or share things. Facial HSV2 is very rare. Both HSV1 and 2 can infect the genital areas. If you have it at the genital, don't share towels. Wash your hands every time after touching the sores. Other than these, I really can't think of a better preventive measure hahaha. Honestly, my wife and myself are not
disturbed by it. The more you think about it, the more it will tend to "visit you". You should learn to accept it and move on.

[Stionk]

Dear bro heating up, Your posts really got me thinking. No matter what happens, I wish you the best and thank you.

[ahhua1983]

I have to say this bro,

I read from page 1 to the last post, and I definitely felt and learn alot from your experiences.

I thank you for sharing your experience here.

It taught me a lot about self control. Now I printed out A4 paper size
worded "SELF-CONTROL BRO" and put it up everywhere I can see.

Hahaha, even got ppl ask, i just say it's motivational for myself. hehe

[henry_ang10]

Jane’s husband’s return to Singapore is postponed to a later unknown date. So I’m safe for the time being.

I was in charge of a US$2m project and had been busy for past 3 weeks. Fatigue and lack of sufficient sleep. I feared another herpes outbreak. As posted earlier, I had many times of crawling or tingling feelings on my lower and upper back, and rashes on my bum. I even had tingling sensation on my neck. Muscle aches as welll. A day later, a tiny ulcer appeared on my tongue. 2 days later, 2 ulcers on my lips on my lips. The ulcers are not those when I have whenever I have too much fast food or durians. They are those I had last year when I first kissed Jane and thereafter she developed crawling feelings. From my experience, big deep ulcers seem to be HSV1 ulcers and small swallow ulcers seem to be the more dangerous HSV2 ulcers. I took extra care not to kiss my kids, and to keep my cup far away from them.

As our company generously provides free annual medical check up and employees can pay for additional tests, Jane is due to go for her annual check up. She asked me a difficult question. If she opts for STD (include HSV2) tests and HSV2 test turns out to be positive, what would I do? Would I divorce my wife and marry her? Given her persistent symptoms mentioned before, she is likely to be positive.

I was stunned by her question and the kind of shit I’m in that I dropped my cup of UCC coffee on my legs and shoes. Just then, my mean director walked past and shook his head in disapproval.

Jane is a wonderful gal for a girlfriend and wife but primarily I’m still not willing to give up my children, and secondarily shift out of my present condo, pay for a new unit to stay and pay for monthly alimony.

Ever since she asked me that question, I have been having worse depression and migraine…

I pray for a cure to be readily available this year so that my problems will be resolved.


wow no more update on Jane? almost 12 years ago, wondering how TS is doing

[Prince Devitt]

wow no more update on Jane? almost 12 years ago, wondering how TS is doing

+42 up for exchange