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Derelict
25-04-2007, 05:47 PM
What is love?

Love has many meanings in English, from something that gives a little pleasure to something one would die for. It can describe an intense feeling of affection, an emotion or an emotional state. In ordinary use, it usually refers to interpersonal love. Probably due to its large psychological relevance, love is one of the most common themes in art. The majority of modern movies have a love story and most pop music is about love…. So says the web.

Hmm, what is love again?

Love is a strong positive emotion of regard and affection or devotion. It is a deep feeling of sexual desire and attraction. It is a node to get pleasure from or to be enamored… so says the book.

But seriously what is actually love?

A group of professional people posed this question to a group of 4 to 8 year-olds, "What does love mean?"

The answers they got were broader and deeper than anyone could have imagined.

"When my grandmother got arthritis, she couldn't bend over and paint her toenails anymore.

So my grandfather does it for her all the time, even when his hands got arthritis too. That's love."

Rebecca- age 8


"When someone loves you, the way they say your name is different.
You just know that your name is safe in their mouth."

Billy - age 4


"Love is when a girl puts on perfume and a boy puts on shaving cologne and they go out and smell each other."

Karl - age 5


"Love is when you go out to eat and give somebody most of your French fries without making them give you any of theirs."

Chrissy - age 6


"Love is what makes you smile when you're tired."

Terri - age 4


"Love is when my mommy makes coffee for my daddy and she takes a sip before giving it to him, to make sure the taste is OK."

Danny - age 7


"Love is when you kiss all the time. Then when you get tired of kissing, you still want to be together and you talk more. My Mommy and Daddy are like that. They look gross when they kiss"

Emily - age 8


"Love is what's in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening presents and listen."

Bobby - age 7 (Wow!)

"If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend who you hate,"

Nikka - age 6
(we need a few million more Nikka's on this planet)


"Love is when you tell a guy you like his shirt, then he wears it everyday."

Noelle - age 7

"Love is like a little old woman and a little old man who are still friends even after they know each other so well."

Tommy - age 6

"During my piano recital, I was on a stage and I was scared. I looked at all the people watching me and saw my daddy waving and smiling. He was the only one doing that. I wasn't scared anymore."

Cindy - age 8


"My mommy loves me more than anybody . You don't see anyone else kissing me to sleep at night."

Clare - age 6

"Love is when Mommy gives Daddy the best piece of chicken."

Elaine-age 5

"Love is when Mommy sees Daddy smelly and sweaty and still says he is handsomer than Robert Redford."

Chris - age 7

"Love is when your puppy licks your face even after you left him alone all day."

Mary Ann - age 4


"I know my older sister loves me because she gives me all her old clothes and has to go out and buy new ones."

Lauren - age 4


"When you love somebody, your eyelashes go up and down and little stars come out of you." (what an image)

Karen - age 7


"Love is when Mommy sees Daddy on the toilet and she doesn't think it's gross."

Mark - age 6


"You really shouldn't say 'I love you' unless you mean it. But if you mean it, you should say it a lot. People forget."

Jessica - age 8


And the final one -- Author and lecturer Leo Buscaglia once talked about a contest he was asked to judge.

The purpose of the contest was to find the most caring child.

The winner was a four year old child whose next door neighbor was an elderly gentleman who had recently lost his wife.

Upon seeing the man cry, the little boy went into the old gentleman's yard, climbed onto his lap, and just sat there.

When his Mother asked what he had said to the neighbor, the little boy said,

"Nothing, I just helped him cry"

...Lifted from a website.

So, whats my point?

At lunch today a bunch of us from the studio drove in two cars to one of our unusual “makan place” which is far away from our common. Unfortunately for us, a colleague happen to chance on her husband on the other side of the road which happened to be in front of a budget hotel. All of us felt damn uncomfortable witnessing a sight we shouldn’t be witnessing. My colleague (his wife) turn back toward us and than tried to walk somewhere else… she knew we were looking and she couldn’t or didn’t know what else to do. So she stood there pretending like she forgot something. A few minutes later she turn back toward us and sat and asked what we ordered all the while tears kept pouring out of her eyes.

One of us talked about work and all of us join in and help bitch about it. I knew her husband and I also happen to know his handphone number. Somehow I couldn’t let this 'thing' slide just like that. I pretended to order something else while I made a call. Luckily he didn’t switch it off. He answered and I spoke. I said the whole office know he is working on a project in front of the place we are eating. Ask him to make sure the front desk fella know he is on the project there as well. I told him we also know that the lady is his supplier who happened to be there for inventory purpose. He is in construction you see. Told him to join us and bitch about his new work. He got the idea. He swaggered in and gave a sketch worthy of an Academy. As supporting actors we help to set the tempo and change the subject when we felt the work was done. I knew my colleague wanted very much to believe every word. To set the icing on the cake, we tease her about what she felt her husband was doing in the hotel. Flimsy but I think the last bit help saved her sanity. It goes without saying that we all felt like shit thereafter but our sweet colleague happiness is what’s important than and even now.

I hate for doing what I did. I hate ever to let my love one suffer as my colleague did. Since this incident, I hate not understanding so many, so many other facts. I think I better go read that other famous thread again.

I just wish love can be as innocent as defined by kids. Here thinking out loud. Guys, if want to eat outside please eat smartlah and not in broad open daylight hor.

no_faith
25-04-2007, 07:50 PM
What is love?

baby dun hurt me, dun hurt me, no more.

dominion
25-04-2007, 08:34 PM
What is love?
I hate for doing what I did. I hate ever to let my love one suffer as my colleague did. Since this incident, I hate not understanding so many, so many other facts. I think I better go read that other famous thread again.

I just wish love can be as innocent as defined by kids. Here thinking out loud. Guys, if want to eat outside please eat smartlah and not in broad open daylight hor.

So sad.... :(

p.s. are you the same derelict in the thread do you believe in true love?

MMM88
25-04-2007, 09:20 PM
dude....tkns for t beautiful lesson on LOVE.........:)

qq1111
25-04-2007, 10:09 PM
Lesson in Love..more likely

sibehhengheng
27-04-2007, 09:03 AM
Hard to define loves....

Mulch
27-04-2007, 09:53 AM
baby dun hurt me, dun hurt me, no more.

hahahaha, kns you...serious thread and you sing song...

surfer888
27-04-2007, 01:19 PM
p.s. are you the same derelict in the thread do you believe in true love?

Should be the same lah... There is only ONE derelict that writes this way.

Castrol
27-04-2007, 02:30 PM
What is love?


You don't have to touch it to know
Love is everywhere that you go
You don't have to touch it to feel
Love is every second we steal

Love is love is nothing without you
Love is love is everything you do
Open up your eyes
And you will see
Love is love is everything to me

surfer888
27-04-2007, 02:50 PM
You don't have to touch it to know
Love is everywhere that you go
You don't have to touch it to feel
Love is every second we steal

Love is love is nothing without you
Love is love is everything you do
Open up your eyes
And you will see
Love is love is everything to me

From the same era:

i love you whether or not you love me
i love you even if you think that i don't
sometimes i find you doubt my love for you, but i don't mind
why should i mind, why should i mind

what is love anyway, does anybody love anybody anyway
what is love anyway, does anybody love anybody anyway

can anybody love anyone so much that they will never fear
never worry never be sad
the answer is they cannot love this much nobody can
this is why i don't mind you doubting
and maybe love is letting people be just what they want to be
the door always must be left unlocked
to love when circumstance may lead someone away from you
and not to spend the time just doubting

Castrol
27-04-2007, 04:38 PM
From the same era:

i love you whether or not you love me
i love you even if you think that i don't
sometimes i find you doubt my love for you, but i don't mind
why should i mind, why should i mind


bro the lyrics are profound, what song is this? :D

Pangzi
27-04-2007, 05:07 PM
DuDe my SALUTE TO U

surfer888
27-04-2007, 07:25 PM
bro the lyrics are profound, what song is this? :D

Howard Jones: What is Love.

Castrol
28-04-2007, 02:14 PM
Howard Jones: What is Love.

ahh... howard "new song" jones. :D

MMM88
28-04-2007, 09:10 PM
You don't have to touch it to know
Love is everywhere that you go
You don't have to touch it to feel
Love is every second we steal

Love is love is nothing without you
Love is love is everything you do
Open up your eyes
And you will see
Love is love is everything to me

hmmm...isnt tat culture club.....:cool:

Mark Lim
28-04-2007, 10:20 PM
What is love?

I hate for doing what I did. I hate ever to let my love one suffer as my colleague did. Since this incident, I hate not understanding so many, so many other facts. I think I better go read that other famous thread again.


Bro, pretty touching story.

have been in love for >20 years now and still in love with my other half. love is after all your cheonging from GL to Serangoon, to Bencoolen, to Orchid, then to Malaysia, LOS, China, Japan, Europe, US... after all the cheongings you return home feeling guilty and hug your other half saying "darling, i love you". she stared into your eyes and asked "did you used condom ?".

- puppy love is temporal fun & enjoyment
- newbie love is honeymoon and 2 persons world
- deep love is possessive, forever heaven & earth 天长地久
- mature love is understanding each others' needs, care for each others' feelings

it takes time & efforts to cultivate love, true love transcends social stratum. it is a deep bonding shared by 2 persons that is inseparable.

Mark Lim

forumer
29-04-2007, 04:16 AM
have been in love for >20 years now and still in love with my other half. love is after all your cheonging from GL to Serangoon, to Bencoolen, to Orchid, then to Malaysia, LOS, China, Japan, Europe, US... after all the cheongings you return home feeling guilty and hug your other half saying "darling, i love you". she stared into your eyes and asked "did you used condom ?".



very magnanimous of ur wife...:)

Mark Lim
29-04-2007, 11:17 AM
man has physiological and psychological needs.

love is a psychological state of mind. a state where 2 persons shares their feelings, sorrows and happiness together.

making love is a physiological needs where a man satisfies his sexual needs. you can have the best GF feeling with an FL. but, ask yourself if you love the girl in front of you after you cum. i will never love someone whom i pay to makes love with.

Mark Lim

iporno
29-04-2007, 09:17 PM
i wonder if i can accept if my other half goes out to eat...
even if i love her, can i tolerate it? :confused:

Shuqi
29-04-2007, 09:40 PM
making love is a physiological needs where a man satisfies his sexual needs. you can have the best GF feeling with an FL. but, ask yourself if you love the girl in front of you after you cum. i will never love someone whom i pay to makes love with.

Mark Lim

well said, brudder.

Derelict
30-04-2007, 01:44 PM
Firstly, I entitled the tread "An innocents" and not "Innocence". They are in a way the same and yet not. Just take that one is written as a subject while the other is the state of the mind. Yes, it is artlessness and purity while innocence is a term that describes the lack of guilt of an individual. Long story short, just think of it as being the same.

I got carried away when I wrote the opening post. Got too emotional about the whole thing. After the weekend I managed to sort things out. Mind you I am a pretty level-headed bloke but the curcamstances on that day is akin to being live on a stage... no longer one of the audience but a participant in a reality show. My mind didnt take too kindly to the whole episode. Anyways, now the true question. When did we loose our innocence when it comes to fidelity?

I am going to jump to one of my monologue mode. So bear with me for a lil bit. Take it as light reading. If too much words is not your cup of tea than I suggest you jump to another thread hereof. The whole point is about trying to make sense with the whys and the hows of infidelity. Hopefully it will help direct a few good points.

Some might argue the day we cheated is the day we lost it. Cheating is a big subject so lets narrow it down to spousal cheat. To cheat one does not really need to sleep with another to constitute cheating. So long as the mind think of another it is cheating. Period. Thus, where do we draw the line in regards to being faithful? I use faithful because ultimately it will lead to adultery if the cheating goes unchecked. Never underestimate the power of imagination. It is thru imagination that passion is build. Like all passion it is very difficult to curb or control (Blake says it best).

I happen to come across an article on MSNBC "Why you dont have to have sex to cheat" which got me thinking in the 1st place.

In it, it talks about emotional infidelity. Take this for example, when you flirt with co-workers, send around funny e-mails to colleagues, or hang out with members of the opposite sex at gatherings. It may seem harmless but the truth is you have just started spending less time with your love ones. Remember that you only have so much energy. If you’re spending it with co-workers or outside the home and then getting home and feeling too tired to spend anymore on your partner, that’s emotional infidelity. You’re effectively relocating vital relationship energy into the hands of others. Forget about where it might end up. Even if you never touch this other person, you have still used that person to relate to, and in doing so, you relate away from your partner. You may be shaking your head and disagreeing. But try to step out of your shoes and look at the situation. I think you will see the big picture.

How do you know if you're being unfaithful?
Consider your personal relationships:

1. When you hear a funny joke or good piece of gossip, do you first tell other colleagues? By the time you get home, have you chewed it all over so much at the office that you don’t feel like telling it again to your partner?

2. Do you discuss all of your work problems (or issues involving volunteer work or other important things you are involved in) so thoroughly with colleagues that you’re all talked out by the time you return home? Do you feel like it would take too long to review and explain the entire issue from scratch to your partner?

3. Do you go out alone to lunch or after work for drinks with members of the opposite sex?

4. Do you enjoy harmless (by your definition) flirtation at a cocktail party?

5. Do you believe that getting emotionally excited by flirting with someone else is helpful to your relationship? Do you think it helps educate you as to what you need more of from your partner? Do you tell yourself that the juice you get from flirting with others brings more vitality to your relationship?

6. Do you spend as long buying the “right gift” for a colleague as you do for your own partner?

7. Do you ride in a car sharing with someone else pleasant, personal conversations on the way to meetings or other work-related events?

8. Do you share intimate issues about yourself or relationship with a member of the opposite sex?

If you’re doing any of these things, chances are you are well on your way to a breakdown in the relationship with your better half.

I guess in a nutshell, we lost our innocence when we mingle. Those conversations and time spend with them can lead to many things. How it is digested only you can ascertain it. It does make alot of sense to me anyways. I do hope my rant shed a lil lite on keeping a relationship sound.

Cheers!

no_faith
30-04-2007, 02:03 PM
bro derelict, all the tings above does not harbour any evil thoughts or motives inside u, i believe you r not being unfaithful.
so if u have motive for doing these, you have already off the track sub-consicously.

but in the reality world, the word "love" has already lost its meaning.

sry to be blunt, "love" is used a tool which means.....
"love is when guys wanted to have sex from the ladies"
"love is when gals wanted to have materialistic satisfaction from the guys"

not all guys/gals lah.
sry, if itz too profound, itz juz flashes in my mind so i type in loh.



peace:D

_AXL_
30-04-2007, 02:05 PM
I happen to come across an article on MSNBC "Why you dont have to have sex to cheat" which got me thinking in the 1st place.

sorry about your participation in that reality episode... no one should go through that, in fact. but of course, your actions didnt really make the problem go away. it only masks the fact that your colleague could still bear to bank on that excuse u have created while everyone who witnessed the event would know exactly what happened.

for me, it was different. i saw my buddy's gf going out with another guy in a pub. they were kissing and "rabba"ing. totally lost in their own world. called my buddy right away and told him. he told me to meet him and he told me this. he is not going to marry her. she is 12 years his junior. he will just enjoy her youthful body until she decides to leave him for someone else. meanwhile, he has sex with her whenever he wants. so he does not need to see her infidelity.

i guess what i m trying to say is that the motives (for lack of a better word) for being together are a myriad of human emotions thrown into a very big cauldron. we never know what we r going to get until...errrh... it's too late!!!:D

i also believe that one can lose innocence, but still find true love. once u found the ONE, u will naively and actively give everything u have on the table, ala daniel craig in casino royale. u r lucky to have found yours, while many here r stuck in loveless unions. i suspect it is no coincidence that a huge majority of people prefer to be with someone who loves him more than he loves his partner. again, i may be wrong.

finally, i sincerely believe that infidelity occurs in the mind first before actions. i can enjoy a conversation with a pretty lady, sexual innuendos thrown in the air over some wine in a conducive environment. when does the infidelity start? when i start thinking when i should make my move; right here, right now? before i send her back so that i dont have to waste petrol driving back to town to a hotel? before she gets down the car or at her doorstep? that's infidelity already to me... when i start thinking of trying to get lucky, i m f**ked!:(

just my 2 cents. cheers

natsuki
01-05-2007, 03:02 AM
There isn't any str8 defination in Love...

Each has their own defination, might be, might not be.
It's still up to individual...