The Tirak Problem [Archive] - The Asian Commercial Sex Scene

TheUnforgiven

25-05-2005, 12:11 AM

Disclaimer: This thread is not created for the purpose of directing offense to anyone or any group in particular. All statements made are for the general samster community. I myself have been in certain situations which I am about to mention, therefore I am not condemning anyone. Flames are not welcome and will be ignored.

Definition of Tirak: Darling in Thai
Definition of Tirak referred in this thread: WL whom you consider as a girlfriend

Though I have slowly faded away from the forum since early last year, I do check back occasionally for a read (or a laugh at the flamings over trivial matters). It was late 2002 I joined the sammyboy forum. At that point of time, posts made up of mostly FRs and valuable information. Recently, I have noticed a rather puzzling and sadly disturbing trend - the gradual increase of posts and discussions on idle chatter about having a Tirak, be it in GL Cat 40, BKK etc. Hell, there are even quite a few threads dedicated to the Tirak issue. Rather than encouraging Thai cheongsters to have a Tirak by discussing the issue like its a norm, I would like to lay out the facts plain and straight - having a Tirak is not a game, it's not fun and you are just putting yourself into a fucked up situation.

WHAT is the problem
Let's set the record straight, commercial sex means you pay money, you get sex. I constantly fail to understand why after a few insignificant repeat visits with a certain WL, they will start asking themselves questions like

"Why does she seem so happy to see me?"
"Why does she say she likes me?"
"Why does she french me like I'm her boyfriend? Does she do that with other customers?"
"Am I the only guy she calls after/before/during work?"
"Why does she let me do her raw?"
etc

These questions may seem stupid when laid out like above. The sad fact is that cheongsters often start developing feelings for a certain WL after some dose of basic KC (kumcheng meaning lovey-dovey care). The simple answer to the above questions is money. Unless of course she likes you so much she falls in love with you almost instantly, which is rarely, or almost never the case. She treats you like her boyfriend, so that you will start to like her and go back to her more often, which equates to more income. Remember, this is commercial sex. You did not meet her in Orchard road and then she rents a room in Geylang for you to come to fuck her exclusively because she loves you. You pay money, you fuck. Simple?

Advice: A retired samster once told me: "Cheong with your dick, not with your heart."

WHY do such things happen

As above, KC traps. When a WL see you as a potential carrot head, the things that you will often experience are listed below:

Hugging and kissing you when you step into her room.
Taking off your clothes and shoes like your japanese wife.
Saying that she misses you, loves you etc.
Giving you exclusive(thats what you think) services like BBBJ, raw, frenching etc.
Occasionally paying to extend you stay.
Telling you stories about her old and frail father, dying mother, dead cow, dorught hit farm at home.
Telling you to come back more often saying she misses you.
Calling you on the phone saying she misses you.

If you fall for these little but lethal doses of KC, then welcome to the Tirak club, may the Force be with you. Fear, pain and suffering, experience you will.

Advice: What you experience is what you paid for. Wake up your idea. You think she will fall for you so easily? Nothing is real, you are just another viewer watching a reality actress.

WHO are the victims

Youngsters who get pressured into having sex the first time with a prostitute due to influence of friends. Newbie cheongsters who never had much experience before with these kind of KC treatment. Poor souls who go for commercial sex cos they just broke up with their gf. Those inadequate with social skills (ie. cannot find a gf) and have to resort to commercial sex to satisfy their needs. Married men who have problems at home with their wife. Or even fuckheads who actually go down to Geylang looking for a relationship with WLs (trust me, there are those out there). The list just goes on and on.

Advice: If you are emotionally vulnurable or if you are an extremely sentimental person, stay off commercial sex.

WHERE & WHEN do such things occur

When you start going back to her two three times a week, refusing to visit other houses. When you book her overnight and get to interact and chat with her. When she start pouring out her sob stories to you. When you ask her out to eat, go shopping, watch movie etc.

Hustler once told me, overnight is when all the Tirak problems start. I agree with what he said. The four different times I got hooked to their KC traps was when I had the girls for overnight sessions, one in Hatyai, two in BKK, and one in GL. Ask SC, bollocksman or Yomun about the Counter 2 KTV girl in BKK. I'm sure they will remember. This may not be true for everyone, but I have seen many cases happening to my Singaporean friends in my workplace in Thailand. Those that prefer to go for ST or massage are often the ones who stay Tirak free. Those who constantly bring girls backl for LT are the ones who tend to get hooked to a girl.

Even just recently, I started to like this bargirl working in Nana Plaza. The feelings got too strong for my liking and I pulled out just in time to land myself in another round of shit. Since then, I never went back. Thank goodness she lost her handphone and I never gave her my number again.

Advice: Know how to pull out to save yourself money and heartache. Overnight is especially dangerous when you already developed some feelings for the girl.

THE VICIOUS CYCLE OF (THE TIRAK) LIFE

Three years ago when I first fell in love with a WL in Hatyai, I sought advice from many cheongsters including siamcutey. Some of you may see SC as blunt and tactless when giving advice about Tirak relationships. I was stubborn and refused to listen to SC. And then he told me," What you want to do is up to you, in time you will understand." And how true his words were. I got burnt on countless occasions and I thought back and reflected on his words.

In SC's early days, he was also in my situation, refusing to listen to more experienced cheongsters. He in turn gave me advice after he learnt from experience and I refused to listen. Now I am based in Thailand working with fellow Singaporeans. I have been giving advice and they refuse to listen as well. A colleague of mine recently got burnt and personally told me that he regretted not listening to me earlier. He is now in turn discouraging others from getting into relationships with these girls but they refuse to listen yet again. You get the idea. There is a Chinese idion which goes, "Bu Ting Lao Ren Yen, Ci Kui Zai Yen Qian". It means: By not listening to the advice of elders, you can only stand to lose. Be smart, prevention is better than cure

This is the first part of my posting. I will continue shortly about the endless stories of my Singaporean friends here in Thailand with Thai WLs. Almost every one of them got burnt in some way or the other. For more details, please read Stephen Leather's "Private Dancer".

Tirakly Yours,
TheUnforgiven

SilviaS13

25-05-2005, 12:42 AM

great post. one up for you when the 24hr wait is over. helped to set things into perspective for me.

Sure2C

25-05-2005, 01:10 AM

...having a Tirak is not a game, it's not fun and you are just putting yourself into a fucked up situation.

Advice: A retired samster once told me: "Cheong with your dick, not with your heart."

Advice: What you experience is what you paid for. Wake up your idea. You think she will fall for you so easily? Nothing is real, you are just another viewer watching a reality actress.

Advice: If you are emotionally vulnurable or if you are an extremely sentimental person, stay off commercial sex.

Advice: Know how to pull out to save yourself money and heartache. Overnight is especially dangerous when you already developed some feelings for the girl.

...Be smart, prevention is better than cure

Well said, Bro TheUnforgiven, really "Yi Zhen Jian Xue" listing out the Root, Cause, Prevention....for all samster to learn.

Hope all samster, especially those intended/beginning to cheong, would read ur thread b4 getting themselves into problems...

Cheers! Up ur thread first!...later.... :)

ryanlim

25-05-2005, 01:28 AM

Tirakly Yours,
TheUnforgiven

Sir

you're back!!!!!!!!! welcome back...........looking forward to more of your postings :)

The_Hustler

25-05-2005, 02:31 AM

Fantastic post my friend.

Echoes my labouring calls for cheongsters to know the difference when indulging in commerical sex.

I had wanted to punch the daylights (with a similar thread) outta those who keeps habouring and building false hopes with commerical sex workers. I for one, can also fall into it... I admit it's damn dangerous and hard to avoid this love shower raining on us... but I'm glad I've pass this stage.

There will just be too many obstacles and hardships... and the fall out and burn out rates will just be too high: many loses sleeps and cry n stares blankly from their high rise flats ever so eager to jump after a failed relationship with a sex worker.... pathetic and sad indeed.

Anyway, as long as girls are willing to strip eagerly and blow ur cock as if ur cock meant the whole world to her.... there will be fools falling badly for this little fake tell-tale "Girl has interest in me" signs.

Bros, it's hard to go on saving fellow cheongsters from falling into this trap... but as long as there're constant posts to remind them...at least we're doing our part.

I'll still stick to my reminder to fellow choengsters: Leave your sperm in the room, but remember to take your heart out with you.

Trap Breaker,
The Hustler

Gstringlover411

25-05-2005, 12:05 PM

I have a slightly different take on this matter:

All of us (including cheongster and WL) have emotions and want to be loved, respected and care for....

When we get special attention from a WL, naturally, we feel shiok as it satisfied our physical and emotional needs, mah... Naturally we want to reciprocate.

I don't think all WL are scheming bitches. They too loved to be showered with attention, respect and concern. When a cheongster gives them that, they too feel good and want to give back too more than than SOP stuff (I know not all the WL give from the heart).

I think many cheongsters would even marry a Thai WL, if not for all the problems associated with doing so in the long run - societal frown, perennial money problems on her side of the family, the dark side of her life - how many men she had bonked and get bonked before, etc.

In the end, the big head always prevails over the little head and we live in a practical society.

My view is that enjoy the special attention from the Thai WL tirak while it lasted and move on when it ends because it is just not practical lor... Also cherished the sweet memories once in a while

t123

25-05-2005, 12:16 PM

easyeasy

25-05-2005, 01:37 PM

good post bro.theUnforgiven & bro.The_Hustler, these should be the kind of stuff we share among each other. won't comment further in writing but in action by uping both of you accordingly as a sign of my support when i recover

siamcutey

25-05-2005, 02:16 PM

I can share your dilema. My tirak is goin back to BKK today, understand from her its for good. Ask her what she will be doing there, she told me to stay there for 2 months with her sister who is working in the same house. Last night was my last time with her. She had neber asked me for anything, thats why I like her a lot, not even asked me to double time most of the time. Nowadays, I can't even perform with her on the bed. However, the last time I tried with the other girl I could cum.

Actually, I dun mind sharing this and get myself ridiculed or zapped, I really do like her a lot but inside, whenever I think of her going back, not only that I felt worried she might end up in one of the joints. I dun knoe, actually I am quite blur.

How about I post my 1st tirak story here? Will take up about 9 pages of the Word Document.

My 1st tirak can work in GL for 2 years but go back after 1 year cos she can't take the ramming and drilling anymore. When she got back, she had to go for frequent medical appointments due to her past work hazard. Most of the WLs suffer from pain, abrasions, due to the constant drillings and rammings made by customers. My 1st tirak said she ain't gonna work in this line again.

Then you know where is she 1 1/2 years after she quit the trade? She is back to it plying the trade in another country again. So what they say can it be taken at face value? You decide.

SC

t123

25-05-2005, 02:25 PM

So what they say can it be taken at face value? You decide. SC

I can agree to what you say. Its just that sometimes when I think abt her working back in this line, I somewhat felt a bit hurt taht's all. Thanks for the advice.

t123

25-05-2005, 02:27 PM

Not to curry favour, sometimes kanna screw or lecture by you guys make sense to me because I felt that you all are much more human than some of the people I know. Thanks.

Bangkok Master

25-05-2005, 03:00 PM

I can agree to what you say. Its just that sometimes when I think abt her working back in this line, I somewhat felt a bit hurt taht's all. Thanks for the advice.

That's normal as you're closed to her after a while and no matter is your tirak or a friend, you wouldn't hope that they go back into that trade. I would say probably up to 20% of ex-WL in GL are sure to regenerate their bodies somewhere else in other countries. $ is always the motivating factor for them and after used to enjoying comfortable life for a while, who is willing to go back being poor again. Maybe this life you are just fated to be friends with her unless you take a big risk to be with her in LOS.

t123

25-05-2005, 03:07 PM

That's normal as you're closed to her after a while and no matter is your tirak or a friend, you wouldn't hope that they go back into that trade. I would say probably up to 20% of ex-WL in GL are sure to regenerate their bodies somewhere else in other countries. $ is always the motivating factor for them and after used to enjoying comfortable life for a while, who is willing to go back being poor again. Maybe this life you are just fated to be friends with her unless you take a big risk to be with her in LOS.

When its comes to thai or Bkk, you are my master. Machiam Star Wars Sith Lord like tat. I can't help every time you appear I have to address you as master. Heehee. I guess she's back in BKK now with her sister. I just hope that she will lead a different life. She kept asking me to go Ratchada to look for her where she is staying.

siamcutey

25-05-2005, 03:14 PM

That's normal as you're closed to her after a while and no matter is your tirak or a friend, you wouldn't hope that they go back into that trade. I would say probably up to 20% of ex-WL in GL are sure to regenerate their bodies somewhere else in other countries. $ is always the motivating factor for them and after used to enjoying comfortable life for a while, who is willing to go back being poor again. Maybe this life you are just fated to be friends with her unless you take a big risk to be with her in LOS.

20% is a very modest figure. I would say 95% at the least as Singapore may be the last stop for some. While regenerate their bodies at some other countries must include Thailand as well. FL, MP girl, KTV...........

SC

Bangkok Master

25-05-2005, 03:21 PM

When its comes to thai or Bkk, you are my master. Machiam Star Wars Sith Lord like tat. I can't help every time you appear I have to address you as master. Heehee. I guess she's back in BKK now with her sister. I just hope that she will lead a different life. She kept asking me to go Ratchada to look for her where she is staying.

Dun be fool by the nick, I'm not master just another cheongster. I also got my own shit to settle also. Unless you can get out of cheonging, living here ain't good as you think. I also stay in Ratchada, so I presume your girl should be either staying in Sutthisan, Chan Mueng or Huay Hwang area as most of the working girls love to stay there due to the convenience.

Maybe you can to pay her a visit and see how's she doing, I understand your situation as last time I also like you until I itchy backside and here am I, still stuck in LOS cannot go back due to work and other stuffs. Maybe you should take some time off from her and think about the situation whether are you serious or is it worth taking the risk.........after a while I'm sure you will find the answer. Good Luck.....

oldcar

25-05-2005, 03:59 PM

I can agree to what you say. Its just that sometimes when I think abt her working back in this line, I somewhat felt a bit hurt taht's all. Thanks for the advice.
If you feel like that, there only two thing you can do. Take her out of this line of work or just forget her all together. I don't think all the WL are bad. I has one. I take her out of this line of work for 2 year now, we are getting our first baby soon, expecting last week of Nov.

The only problem is the constant need of money for her extended family needed. It never seen to end. :confused:

t123

25-05-2005, 04:16 PM

Maybe you can to pay her a visit and see how's she doing, I understand your situation as last time I also like you until I itchy backside and here am I, still stuck in LOS cannot go back due to work and other stuffs. Maybe you should take some time off from her and think about the situation whether are you serious or is it worth taking the risk.........after a while I'm sure you will find the answer. Good Luck.....

Actually I thank you for extending the kind gesture while I was in BKK in Jan 05. Well, now for me its back to normal. Can't forget the cute look she put up yesterday night. No sex, just purely hugging and kissing. She dressed in pyajamas and bluff the okt that she's sick after one customer. well, I always a sucker for GF feeling, that's all. Now its back to basics again. Thanks to all who advice. Hope that I can go BKK again to visiit my sick aunt who is dying. Compared to you, I can't speak a decent sentence of thai despite having a bit of bloodline. :)

3sage

25-05-2005, 04:35 PM

If you feel like that, there only two thing you can do. Take her out of this line of work or just forget her all together. I don't think all the WL are bad. I has one. I take her out of this line of work for 2 year now, we are getting our first baby soon, expecting last week of Nov.

The only problem is the constant need of money for her extended family needed. It never seen to end. :confused:

Just have to live with the constant $$$ issue with . there is no turning back for now. Hope you are coping well as i know it not an easy task esp with a thai WL.

t123

25-05-2005, 04:40 PM

Just have to live with the constant $$$ issue with . there is no turning back for now. Hope you are coping well as i know it not an easy task esp with a thai WL.

Where have you been man since quitting the team? :confused:

3sage

25-05-2005, 04:53 PM

Where have you been man since quitting the team? :confused:

long time no see...never quit lah just that i can't fix into the schedule
sat morning. Anyway, i also have a regular team on sunday.
Wow..didn't know you also cheong bkk.
when are u going again :)

t123

25-05-2005, 05:05 PM

long time no see...never quit lah just that i can't fix into the schedule
sat morning. Anyway, i also have a regular team on sunday.
Wow..didn't know you also cheong bkk.
when are u going again :)
Not so soon lah. You leh? :)

3sage

25-05-2005, 05:08 PM

Not so soon lah. You leh? :)

haha..just came back 2 weeks ago.
you still go KMS? how is the soccer team doing>?

t123

25-05-2005, 05:17 PM

haha..just came back 2 weeks ago.
you still go KMS? how is the soccer team doing>?

No go to KMS, but go blue sky club. Our team just won 9-1 against one saf team. Will be having another match this sunday.

3sage

25-05-2005, 05:22 PM

No go to KMS, but go blue sky club. Our team just won 9-1 against one saf team. Will be having another match this sunday.

Good to hear that... Team must be very strong now.
Where is blue sky?

siamcutey

25-05-2005, 06:54 PM

Please don't talk about soccer and gathering for soccer matches here. :(

SC

TheUnforgiven

25-05-2005, 08:03 PM

Please don't talk about soccer and gathering for soccer matches here. :(

SC

Right, please don't hijack another person's thread with idle chatter. Thank you.

TheUnforgiven

vmtech

25-05-2005, 09:50 PM

ahh after not seeing u post for AGES. finally you surface :)

see u next month dog

oldcar

26-05-2005, 10:18 AM

Just have to live with the constant $$$ issue with . there is no turning back for now. Hope you are coping well as i know it not an easy task esp with a thai WL.

Still ok, at this moment. But the projection is not looking up :( . Any advise from bros on how to handle this money issue?

siamcutey

26-05-2005, 01:07 PM

Still ok, at this moment. But the projection is not looking up :( . Any advise from bros on how to handle this money issue?

The moment you marry the thai girl, you have a lot of freebies.
You marry one, get a lot of free gifts in the form of her family issues. That is something you have to live with it and that is one of the main issues of the tirak problem. Sometimes its not so much on the girl but the issue of how much the family is spending. You never seem to be able to earn enough for all to spend.

Read the Fillial Daughter Thread link on my signature. :)

We can't help you much if we don't know how your money situation is. Anyway, we can't lend you money but probably some people who walked the path can give u a tip or 2 to handle the issue

SC

oldcar

26-05-2005, 01:54 PM

Bangkok Master

26-05-2005, 01:56 PM

We can't help you much if we don't know how your money situation is. Anyway, we can't lend you money but probably some people who walked the path can give u a tip or 2 to handle the issue

Actually you can state your financial status clear to her before both of you proceed any further, if she really like you then she must accept the fact how much will be the allowance entitled. Make it clear to her that you are not the KRUNG THAI ATM machine which has unlimited funds for her to draw. I think the most difficult part will be differciating that $ and love is not together as most TGs thinks that once in love $ comes automatically.

The most important thing is that even if you have money, just "tiam tiam" dun go and show off how much you have in your bank account if not you will see the amount start to decrease like the sperm level when you get older........even you meet a girl who u think is trustworthy cos "YOU WILL NEVER KNOW".

oldcar

26-05-2005, 02:10 PM

The most important thing is that even if you have money, just "tiam tiam" dun go and show off how much you have in your bank account if not you will see the amount start to decrease like the sperm level when you get older........even you meet a girl who u think is trustworthy cos "YOU WILL NEVER KNOW".

Thanks Master, It's good advise.

I should known that she not good at manage money. At the begining, I even give her one of my ATM card, and put a couple K in the account and tell her the pin no. My intention is that, if I happen to be not around at the time she money, she always have some money. But she just keep sending it home for all that "sudden need". I just give up topping the account and let it empty :(

Bangkok Master

26-05-2005, 02:31 PM

Thanks Master, It's good advise.

I should known that she not good at manage money. At the begining, I even give her one of my ATM card, and put a couple K in the account and tell her the pin no. My intention is that, if I happen to be not around at the time she money, she always have some money. But she just keep sending it home for all that "sudden need". I just give up topping the account and let it empty :(

Like that I think you are a generous lover will lots of cash to spare....kidding

Have asked yourself before did she really send the $ back home or she spend the $ herself?

This is the most common excuse that all tiraks face as I myself also kanna before. Providing financial support to her is part of the deal but it depends on what is the $ for like for. The problem is that most TGs doesn't know whether what are the dos and don'ts. You will have to educate her on this part and it's not easy. If after some point of time, you think that it's unreasonable, maybe it's time to make a decision cos in the long run you will suffer, believe me cos I'm also one of the victims. That's why I'm leaving my current gf due to the fact, I can't meet her financial demands and it's better for me to let her go cos it will be better for both of us in future. Remember like the chinese saying "CHANG TONG BU RU DUAN TONG"(short pain is better than prolong pain). If you're a real cheongster, I'm sure you can get a replacement sooner or later.... :D
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oldcar

26-05-2005, 02:50 PM

Cannot leave her la!!! Master.

Baby is on it way, going to be my first one. :D , little oldcar...Hopefully she put us first before the family..........But I think I will be still cheong, cannot retire...

Still like to eat different chicken at different time,...My favour...
Thai...then...Western....Phillipine.....Malaysia Chinese......PRC......Malay....

But this time will only ....F..k, Pay and Go....

ruhua

26-05-2005, 02:54 PM

If after some point of time, you think that it's unreasonable, maybe it's time to make a decision cos in the long run you will suffer, believe me cos I'm also one of the victims. That's why I'm leaving my current gf due to the fact, I can't meet her financial demands and it's better for me to let her go cos it will be better for both of us in future. Remember like the chinese saying "CHANG TONG BU RU DUAN TONG"(short pain is better than prolong pain). If you're a real cheongster, I'm sure you can get a replacement sooner or later.... :D
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Hope the Sith lord did not brainwash you into making that big decision. Hahahahahaha. :D

ruhua

26-05-2005, 02:55 PM

Cannot leave her la!!! Master.

Baby is on it way, going to be my first one. :D

Someone also had not easier than you. Trust me. The Sith lord works in mysterious ways. Come and meet the Sith followers. Wahahahahahaha. :D

DNAT

26-05-2005, 03:14 PM

Just want some advise to get her family to spend less. I give $1500 for her to send home each month, that not an issue. On top, I know she also send some more from the money I give her to spend. The problem is that every couple months there will be additional "something" they need, this can be 1K or a few K. Very unpredictable.

wow... like that spring well also very fast dry up loh :o

siamcutey

26-05-2005, 03:37 PM

Thanks siamcutey. Don't need money help from bros :cool: . Just want some advise to get her family to spend less. I give $1500 for her to send home each month, that not an issue. On top, I know she also send some more from the money I give her to spend. The problem is that every couple months there will be additional "something" they need, this can be 1K or a few K. Very unpredictable. :(

This is not tirak problem. This is a problem which many people fail to understand and they thought loving a TG is only about 2 persons. To the thais, the family is a major factor to consider.
Since you have a baby coming on the way, you better talk to your wife fast. Tell her that with this kind of money u giving, its not enough for you to support. Do you give $1500 to your own parents in SG? Tell her that with a baby in the plans, the education, living expenses etc will have to save a lot more and canniot give so much to her family anymore

If your wife mai kao jai, I can only say she love her family more than you. If i am you, and after telling her she still mai kao jai and insist that you must help, nevermind, help them till the baby is borned. Take your baby with you and tell your wife, that you are bringing the baby with you. If she want, she follow, if not tell her to help her family herself. You have to be tough, if not, her family don't die first, but you die first.

$1500 is about 30K baht over. Not consider a lot but I believe must live within means. U should know your 35K baht goes to wants or needs. Cos we don't actually know how your money is being spent, all I can say is determine the source of the problem and if you want to continue, you have to shoulder all the burden.

Examples like every few months, sure will have someone accident, bail relatives out from prison, car accident and have to pay for damages, so many hidden costs I experienced before. Even cousin buy computer also become my problem.

SC

ruhua

26-05-2005, 03:47 PM

This is not tirak problem. This is a problem which many people fail to understand and they thought loving a TG is only about 2 persons. To the thais, the family is a major factor to consider.
Since you have a baby coming on the way, you better talk to your wife fast. Tell her that with this kind of money u giving, its not enough for you to support. Do you give $1500 to your own parents in SG? Tell her that with a baby in the plans, the education, living expenses etc will have to save a lot more and canniot give so much to her family anymore

If your wife mai kao jai, I can only say she love her family more than you. If i am you, and after telling her she still mai kao jai and insist that you must help, nevermind, help them till the baby is borned. Take your baby with you and tell your wife, that you are bringing the baby with you. If she want, she follow, if not tell her to help her family herself. You have to be tough, if not, her family don't die first, but you die first.

Hahahaha words from another Sith lord follower. Heart is hard as a rock and cock. There is hope for the darkside. :D

siamcutey

26-05-2005, 03:54 PM

Hahahaha words from another Sith lord follower. Heart is hard as a rock and cock. There is hope for the darkside. :D

My peers are putting me at the rank of Sith Lord............. :D

The jedis say cannot do this, cannot do that, but in actual fact, they are the ones who don't practise what they preach. Hypocrites.

There is nothing wrong with the siths, just that people prefer to be associated with the good. Then let me ask, who is on hand to define what is good and what is bad?

SC

t123

26-05-2005, 04:51 PM

My peers are putting me at the rank of Sith Lord............. :D

SC
Lord Cutiesious, I think. Anyway, everyone got the right the matters the way they deemed fit.

DNAT

26-05-2005, 05:01 PM

wow .. become star wars? :eek:
talk tirak problems leh ... I want to hear more stories .. hehe

ryanlim

26-05-2005, 05:05 PM

talk tirak problems leh ... I want to hear more stories .. hehe

you got hear/read about Jun's story lately???????? :(

oldcar

26-05-2005, 05:14 PM

Hope the Sith lord did not brainwash you into making that big decision. Hahahahahaha. :D

No lah!! not making any big decision. But in medium to long term, this money issue need to address. Unless I earn as much as Bill Gates, but tell her that I still drawing my peanut salary. Then this problem will not be an issue :D

DNAT

26-05-2005, 05:14 PM

you got hear/read about Jun's story lately???????? :(

read from where? he got post in SB meh? :confused:
Otherwise, you tell me the story via MSN

TheUnforgiven

26-05-2005, 06:50 PM

If you're a real cheongster, I'm sure you can get a replacement sooner or later.... :D
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With all due respect, I disagree. The essence of the thread is to stay away from WL relationships, not to break off and find another one.

And to those who are busy discussing about the girl's family issues, I think trying to keep a relationship with the girl will probably kill you first before her family does. More about that later.

On the track,
TheUnforgiven

Bangkok Master

26-05-2005, 07:00 PM

With all due respect, I disagree. The essence of the thread is to stay away from WL relationships, not to break off and find another one.

Bro probably you took my message wrongly as I just wanted to tell him that you can always find replacements for your broken heart be it cheong GL, KTV or HC but with no commitment, no necessary to find another tirak.

Anyway cheers for your effort to discourage from tirakship as majority will hurt. Good Luck!

TheUnforgiven

26-05-2005, 11:12 PM

Bro probably you took my message wrongly as I just wanted to tell him that you can always find replacements for your broken heart be it cheong GL, KTV or HC but with no commitment, no necessary to find another tirak.

Anyway cheers for your effort to discourage from tirakship as majority will hurt. Good Luck!

Maybe it wasn't your intention to suggest finding another Tirak, but that's what I intepreted anyway. You shouldn't phrase it as "find replacements for your broken heart" as people might get the wrong idea.

Nevertheless, thanks for contributing to the thread. Cheers.

TheUnforgiven

toothbrush

26-05-2005, 11:58 PM

Nevertheless, thanks for contributing to the thread. Cheers.

TheUnforgiven

Finally u are back from thailand and start to post in the forum :D

TheUnforgiven

27-05-2005, 12:01 AM

A True "Tirak" Story

Notes: This story is about a colleague I know who got into a RL with a canteen girl near our workplace. She might not be a prostitute, but the essence of the story is the same.

When I first arrived at my workplace, my new colleague showed me around by request from my boss. He had been only in Thailand for a month and he tried to snook me by speaking broken thai to the gatoey drink seller at the canteen, which I responded by ordering my drink in thai.

I caught his interest and he started asking me questions as to why I can speak thai. We sat down, had our drink, and the conversation went on and on until we came to the topic of thai girls.

"How do you find thai girls?" he asked

"Thai girls cannot be trusted. Maybe not all, but a significant percentage of them." was my reply.

I then told him about the various things I know from experience (of course not revealing it as a first hand story). The reply I got from him was not to generalise. Then, we were called back to the office before we could continue further.

As I got to know him through the weeks, I found out that he actually had a thai gf from the same canteen, after having been in Thailand for less than a month. I repeatedly told him to be careful and open his eyes big, and his repeated reply was "I know".

He didn't talk much about his relationship with the canteen girl and I never bothered to ask. Until roughly into the third month of work, he started looking depressed and sometimes pissed off, then I asked him what was wrong. He then told me the full story of what happened to him and the girl which was no surprise to me at all.

About a week before, the girl told him she was going to Singapore to visit a relative. He then suspected something was amiss. Come on, how many Thais have relatives in Singapore. Why would she spend one month of her canteen salary to pay for an air ticket just to visit some "relative"?

Anyway, my friend gave her the benefit of the doubt and even went to the airport with her to send her off. While waiting at the airport, she went to the toilet leaving her bag behind with him. Just at that moment, her handphone rang. It was a call from Singapore, with the number unstored on her handphone. My friend picked up the phone.

"Hello, may I speak to XXXX please." said the voice of a Singaporean guy.

"She's gone to the toilet." said my friend.

"Who are you?" the guy questioned.

"Oh, I'm just a friend, seeing her off at the airport." my friend lied. "Are you her boyfriend?"

"Yah, can you please ask to to call me when she gets back, thanks."

My friend was shocked. And yet when the girl came out, he pretended that nothing happened and sent her off anyway. When she reached Singapore, she gave a Singaporean hp number to my friend for contact.

Few days later, my friend called her about 8am in the morning. That very same guy picked up the phone. Recognising my friend's voice, that guy got suspicious and started bombarding my friend with questions like "who are you?, "why do you keep calling her?" etc. My friend told him that he was just a friend and would just like to speak with her. The guy then passed the phone to the girl.

Then my friend realised that both of them were talking with the nasal "just woke up" kind of voice. They had been sleeping together (and he once told me he was the only one, hah). My friend asked the girl who was that guy, but she simply denied everything, even in that kind of situation. Again, my friend just pretended nothing was wrong and hung up the phone after talking.

----Please note that this is the part I was told about what happened----

Before she went to Singapore, she left behind her Thai sim card with my friend. I urged him to check through and see if he can discover anything from her sim card. Much to my friend's (and mine) disgust, the girl apparently had been sending love notes to both him and the guy back in Singapore.

When she came back to Thailand, my friend confronted her and she still denied everything. When he showed her the messages, she went ballistic about how he was invading her privacy. Right. He later found out that the guy was a previous staff of our company and she had known him the same way. He continued being the sad fuck he was and pretended nothing happened. I gave up talking to him and he broke up with her soon after, not before money got involved, or so I heard from my other colleagues. He got burnt in both emotional and monetary terms and exposed himself to diseases (who knows how many Singaporean guys from my workplace she had been fucking).

Here ends the first part of the lesson.

Disgusted,
TheUnforgiven

TheUnforgiven

27-05-2005, 12:11 AM

Finally u are back from thailand and start to post in the forum :D

I'm still in Thailand.

Deeply Rooted,
TheUnforgiven

toothbrush

27-05-2005, 12:15 AM

I'm still in Thailand.

Deeply Rooted,
TheUnforgiven

im an old friend where u had been posted to before

SilviaS13

27-05-2005, 03:06 AM

im an old friend where u had been posted to before

did you know the canteen girl too? :o

Bangkok Master

27-05-2005, 04:43 AM

Since it's for the good purposes, I will share one story of my friend and all identity had been changed for discreet reasons.

My friend named King was an avid customer in the cat 40 GL and mostly on ST to avoid KC after getting hurt from a WL before. But not to surprise, he slowly found another WL who he loves very much after spending numerous double and triple sessions with her, they began their tirakship program and they got very close to the extent until he was going to GL at least 5 days out of a week. Although King is drawing a good pay but after a while his finances began to strain after spending too much on his tirak. And at 1 point of time he was having credit card bills close to SGD15K. Thanks to his lucky stars, he managed to strike 4D and suddenly he got a windfall of SGD50K and that was the time where the problem started.............

The WL named Fon is a petite girl from Chiang Rai and she got bubbly eyes that will melt any young mens heart. She was having a lot of problems working in GL due to the back-stabbing of WLs and jealously of her popularity. Although she got good $ but she was far from happy working in GL due to the amt of customers that she needs to serve. King was frustrated to see his love one suffering and she had just started working only for 6 months so she can't leave so fast as her boss wouldn't want to lose such a milk cow.
And up came a stupid and daring plan, Fon manage to convince King to elope with her to Thailand and King was too eager to decide what was rite or wrong and off they escaped from the boss and authorities in Sg and landed in Malaysia in Fon's sister's house where her sis got married to a malaysian. From KL, they made their way back to Thailand and finally reached the hometown of Fon. Armed with the rest of the winnings from the 4D, King was confident that his adventure will be a success. So they decided they had to find something to do cos they can't just rely on his winnings. So Fon came out with an idea of opening a shop to sell food but they wanted to shfit to BKK due to King was unable to adapt to countryside life. So off they went and settle down in BKK and manage to find a place to open a small eatery with accomendation above the shop. At first business was okay and life was ordinary and both of them were happy, then 1 of Fon's friend came looking for her asking for her help to stay with them due to "Gleng Jai"|(Pai Say) she agreed to it. This girl named Jan is one of those bad influences which all man hates. She is into all vices and slowly day by day Fon was influenced by her bad habits and started to chalk up huge gambling debts. King loved Fon very much so he didn't dare to scold her but just kept finding ways to help her to clear her debts.

One day King found out that the days earnings was missing and he was very sure that it was Fon who took it,so he went to confront her and they ended up fighting with King was hurted by a knife which Fon threw at him out of frustration. It ended with 10 sitches on his neck area but King was a person with forgiving heart so they ended up again. While King was trying his best to write off Fon's debts, she was enjoying her life with her new found friends, partying in Longbien Yelemen(Thai disco) almost 3-4 times a week. Fon was always drunk whenever she partys and sometimes reaching home in the morning. King was puzzled how come she had changed so much from before as they were hand in hand just 6 months ago. It went on for about 3 months and until one day King found out that Fon was having an affair with one of the owners of the disco and he decided to spy on her. He couldn't believe in his eyes that the one he loves so much was hugging the another man in the disco and his heart was smashed into pieces. That nite King waited for Fon to come home and when she came back, he asked her about it. To his surprise, Fon replied him that she had been seeing him for about a month already and the reason she gave was King wasn't able to provide the basic of her needs. King begged for her return but it was too late as Fon had became the dark side of the forces. The worst thing was she told King that she didn't really love him that much but was with him becos she knew that King had won some $ from the lottery so he was her immediate saviour at that time. King was devastated and his heart was smashed into pieces, he even tried to commit suicide by drinking a bottle of washing detergent but death wasn't on his side, he survived. When he was in the hospital bed, Fon came and visit him with her new found flame and told King that she will be moving out. King was in pain but couldn't say a word due to the washing of his internal organs(sorry english bad cannot find the correct word). He could just see his tirak's shadow disappearing with another man. After he was discharged from the hospital, he was shocked to find out that Fon had withdrew 30kbaht from their acc and all her things were moved from the house and the best was the hp was cut off. He tried to contact her family in Chiang Rai for her whereabouts but the family was too ashamed to face him. At this my friend finally gave up and decided it was time to move on.....................

Estimate Total Damage for this Lesson:
Estimated expentiture in Sg = SGD10K = est 240kbaht
Rental for the shop house = 10k x 9 months = 90kbaht
Allowances and debts for her = 450kbaht
Stolen = 30kbaht
Total = 810kbaht = est SGD33750 + 1 BROKEN HEART so is it worth it?

Until today Fon's whereabouts is still unknown and the morale of this story is too educated those who are die-hard tiraks who are contemplating tirakship. Of course there are success stories but it's just a warning how bad it can lead to so for those "Dream-seekers" it's ain't simple as it seems to be..............

Hakoshu

27-05-2005, 07:37 AM

Bros......Not all thai gers are as described... I'm having a very good and smooth relationship with a accountant in thailand now.... :)

free

27-05-2005, 11:28 AM

Bros......Not all thai gers are as described... I'm having a very good and smooth relationship with a accountant in thailand now.... :)
I agree with Hako. I think it really depends on who one chooses to meet and where we meet them. While I dun doubt BM's narration cos I know these gals exist, I would realy have a hard time looking for them in my circle of female thai friends, which incidentally is larger than my circle of male thai friends (cos the gers always intro more of their friends mah).

Not all the gers I know are "decent". Some are WLs, yet I am sure that in their hearts if they ever meet their Reason, they would gladly give up they work and have a happy family with him instead. Have seen a few of them already done that. Having said that, I also know of WLs who are dishonest. One of my Nong Sao has a hasty spending habit, and therefore needs to have multiple sponsors and bfs to maintain it. After multiple rounds of advise (even scoldings from me), she still does not want to change and finally she lost the guy who truly loves her and also this pii chai here. (My version of Pii Chai is not the same as SC's)

Nesferatu

27-05-2005, 11:42 AM

Like that I think you are a generous lover will lots of cash to spare....kidding

Have asked yourself before did she really send the $ back home or she spend the $ herself?

This is the most common excuse that all tiraks face as I myself also kanna before. Providing financial support to her is part of the deal but it depends on what is the $ for like for. The problem is that most TGs doesn't know whether what are the dos and don'ts. You will have to educate her on this part and it's not easy. If after some point of time, you think that it's unreasonable, maybe it's time to make a decision cos in the long run you will suffer, believe me cos I'm also one of the victims. That's why I'm leaving my current gf due to the fact, I can't meet her financial demands and it's better for me to let her go cos it will be better for both of us in future. Remember like the chinese saying "CHANG TONG BU RU DUAN TONG"(short pain is better than prolong pain). If you're a real cheongster, I'm sure you can get a replacement sooner or later.... :D
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WAH!!!! After reading all the horror stories of having a Tirak esp Thai tiraks, isnt it be better off for us men to just stick with local Sg gals then? Im also thinking of embarking a tirak adventure with my gal, but now Im really having doubts. Even after her assurances that MOney will not be in the equation of our relationship. Now, I really really have to think twice or thrice about it.
Thks for the pre-warnings guys!!!!!!

Vamp

Bangkok Master

27-05-2005, 11:53 AM

Bros......Not all thai gers are as described... I'm having a very good and smooth relationship with a accountant in thailand now.... :)

This is for sure......of course there are good TGs available for everybody but for this thread, we are discussing about the rotten apples to warn others for "Heartbreak" prevention purposes.

I guess you like to hear success stories rite? Like that I can write another story of another friend of mine who is successful in another thread but that one involves thai guy and sg lady.................. :D

free

27-05-2005, 12:13 PM

This is for sure......of course there are good TGs available for everybody but for this thread, we are discussing about the rotten apples to warn others for "Heartbreak" prevention purposes.

I guess you like to hear success stories rite? Like that I can write another story of another friend of mine who is successful in another thread but that one involves thai guy and sg lady.................. :D
Pee BM, unfortunately so many who come here do not bother to read the thread from the beginning, or even its original intention. They jump in at the middle or worse the end, and got caught flat-footed from the start. I myself almost gave up on a good gal (my 1st Thai gf) and I know what it can be like. Everything she did became a reason to suspect and worry and put so much stress on both of us. Too bad she can no longer benefit from my much wider experience and deeper understanding of the typical (I mean normal) TG after all I had gone thru. My current tirak reaps this benefit.

If only it is possible to balance our postings, but I know it is hard, and I have been guilty at the other end of the spectrum.

LengKia

27-05-2005, 12:33 PM

WAH!!!! After reading all the horror stories of having a Tirak esp Thai tiraks, isnt it be better off for us men to just stick with local Sg gals then? Im also thinking of embarking a tirak adventure with my gal, but now Im really having doubts. Even after her assurances that MOney will not be in the equation of our relationship. Now, I really really have to think twice or thrice about it.
Thks for the pre-warnings guys!!!!!!

Vamp

It is good to start a thread to warn fellow samsters about risks involved
with a thai tiraks especially those newbies.
I have noticed alot of Thai newbies showing great interest by start asking
around for info and opportunities to work in LOS after a few trips.
Their main objective must be looking for a thai tirak, pick up some thai language and learning their culture etc.
Wondering is the employment market and remuneration much more
better in bangkok than s'pore...i doubt so.
I believe some of those senior samsters who are base in khrung thep
until now started off with such an intentions and objective
Wouldn't it be they posses a greater risks of getting burnt rather than
for people here who could only managed a few days up there over
couple of 8-10 trips per year. I'm trying to figure out which group of
them are more vulnerable to the risks. so what you guys think?
Understand the good intention of the thread starter but why he still
chose to work there since he mentioned most thai gals cannot be trusted.
No hard feeling and offend. :)

2 satang worth

suteerak1099

27-05-2005, 12:47 PM

siamcutey

27-05-2005, 12:53 PM

Bros......Not all thai gers are as described... I'm having a very good and smooth relationship with a accountant in thailand now.... :)

An accountant is an accountant. A Secretary is a secretary. A sales girl is a sales girl. And they don't open their legs for money.

This is a sex forum and many of these issues we talk here start from the time these girls open legs for money.

Of course when people say singaporeans are kiasu. They don't mean 100% singaporeans are kiasu.

We don't generalise, just that others think we generalise.

SC

siamcutey

27-05-2005, 12:56 PM

Understand the good intention of the thread starter but why he still
chose to work there since he mentioned most thai gals cannot be trusted.
No hard feeling and offend. :)

2 satang worth

Many people say they hate singapore zhenghu. But they still stay in singapore. Many people say singapore this no good, that no good, but they still in singapore too.

my 20 cents worth

SC

siamcutey

27-05-2005, 12:58 PM

LengKia

27-05-2005, 01:12 PM

Many people say they hate singapore zhenghu. But they still stay in singapore. Many people say singapore this no good, that no good, but they still in singapore too.

my 20 cents worth

SC

Reason because we are Singaporean who is born in s'pore and have family,wife and kids here. How to leave and there isn't any risk by staying in spore. Does local girls also posses the same risk as thai gal

siamcutey

27-05-2005, 01:16 PM

i think although i'm just a newbie here, bt i must clarify that alot here tend to confuse the term Kig n tirak. a true tirak will never do things that hurt her man, even if she does those things to hurt him- its purely unintentiional.

fact is, if a puying is willing to sort out her own problems.. not take a single cent from the 1 she love (not samee yet), then i think she already deserves to be crowned as puying-dee. those that take their man for ATM.. then bobian lah.. sia-jai mak kup kun

many who claim they know pasah-thai, been living in thai for awhile etc...bt i dare say not many have learnt n understood the thai culture n mentality. to date, even if he knows n understood just a tight spectrum of it, he may nt be able to accept it, hence all the fuss n grunt about the TG being problematic. (his mentality is still very much singaporean n nothing else.) if anything, i think should go watch the movie: sukhorthai - puying-dee can sacrifice herself for greater love n greater cause.

so, b4 1 really understands the puying, her background, her hometown etc...he's only just caught a glimpse/prelude of the promised land. nothing in life is free.. wanna reach promised land also need to wonder n suffer the long perilous route of TRCR b4 can reach paradise.

in hokkien, voice of darth-vader: "le kaki sio kua mai, le jiu eh jai-ya wa gong-eh si jin eh" lol

With all due respect to thai legends,
Please don't associate Sukhothai to the topic of WLs over here. And bring the example to mix with the mentality of WLs.

If you ever listen to thai songs, you realise that a majority of thai songs have very diverse content with regards to english songs or even chinese songs.

The thai songs have lyrics describing affairs, mistresses, 1 man with 2 girls, 1 girl with many men, lies, deceit.....

Roo Hen Ben Jai by Hyper
Yak GeB Ter Wai Tung Song Khon by Tata Young
Om Pra Mah Poot Kor Mai Cher by Bird
and many many more

By the way, I am not the one who writes these songs. Its written by the thais.

How? Will you be able to accept The WL if she con another man of his heart and money so that she have enough to spend with you and no need to take a single cent from you? Like that will you consider her as puying dee?

SC

siamcutey

27-05-2005, 01:27 PM

Reason because we are Singaporean who is born in s'pore and have family,wife and kids here. How to leave and there isn't any risk by staying in spore. Does local girls also posses the same risk as thai gal

If your boss ask you to go overseas and work, you can say no or not? Or you quit your job?

One has to make a choice to live after all.

SC

LengKia

27-05-2005, 02:49 PM

If your boss ask you to go overseas and work, you can say no or not? Or you quit your job?

One has to make a choice to live after all.

SC

If it is for work commitment one have not choice simply have to follow
instructions ....but there are people who chose to go overseas to work for other reasons. ..there are few cases around.

free

27-05-2005, 03:48 PM

An accountant is an accountant. A Secretary is a secretary. A sales girl is a sales girl. And they don't open their legs for money.

This is a sex forum and many of these issues we talk here start from the time these girls open legs for money.

Of course when people say singaporeans are kiasu. They don't mean 100% singaporeans are kiasu.

We don't generalise, just that others think we generalise.

SC
While this forum may have orginally been setup to discuss commercial sex, like many forums on all subjects, I feel it has grown bigger and has a wider if not deeper perspective. The only person who has the right to say if a member has breach the boundaries, it the owner himself, Sam. And if allows the forum to mature and grow, do you not want to mature and grow with it? Or u prefer try to drag it back to its roots?

If u feel so strongly that only commercial sex-related and must drum that opinion into everybody else that they might think like you, perhaps there are easier and more sextifying ways, like building ur own forum, Then u can be Uncle Sam himself.

For for now, if Uncle sam lets it be and allows SBF to mature with a wider/deeper perspective, so be it.

noname123

27-05-2005, 04:40 PM

Aiyo...you from TGH talk until now still talking arh...not tire meh???

DNAT

27-05-2005, 04:59 PM

wow ... noname123 use SAM's avatar ?? so brave arh? :eek:

free

27-05-2005, 05:12 PM

Wah this kind of girl also can be your nong sao. For me, even be phern I also don't want to get too close. :eek:

No offence

SC
Well, when I meet someone like that, I accept her instead of making a judgement. Looks like you do. For me, no one is guilty until showned to be so.

We can still build a good friendship w/o sex and if she wants to change for the better, I lend a helping hand. If she persists in her "not too nice" waysm then I leave things be and if things ever reach a hopeless stage, I will disassociate myself. But only after I know I have done what I can.

Many seemingly "bad" people only need someone to show them love (as in love for her/him as an individual) and give them a chance. Some of the well-known ppl in SG today were ex-convicts. Who knows? Maybe one day it will be my turn to fall, and those I have helped will the the ones who lift me up

siamcutey

27-05-2005, 06:49 PM

One of my Nong Sao has a hasty spending habit, and therefore needs to have multiple sponsors and bfs to maintain it. After multiple rounds of advise (even scoldings from me), she still does not want to change and finally she lost the guy who truly loves her and also this pii chai here. (My version of Pii Chai is not the same as SC's)

Well, when I meet someone like that, I accept her instead of making a judgement. Looks like you do. For me, no one is guilty until showned to be so.

Multiple sponsors and bfs, what does this tell you about her character?
You said multiple rounds of advise. And you even said you gave up on her

Sorry, if a person I knew is like that once I knew her character, I will not want to get too close to her as a friend, not to mention being pii-nong sao.

SC

siamcutey

27-05-2005, 07:04 PM

While this forum may have orginally been setup to discuss commercial sex, like many forums on all subjects, I feel it has grown bigger and has a wider if not deeper perspective. The only person who has the right to say if a member has breach the boundaries, it the owner himself, Sam. And if allows the forum to mature and grow, do you not want to mature and grow with it? Or u prefer try to drag it back to its roots?

If u feel so strongly that only commercial sex-related and must drum that opinion into everybody else that they might think like you, perhaps there are easier and more sextifying ways, like building ur own forum, Then u can be Uncle Sam himself.

For for now, if Uncle sam lets it be and allows SBF to mature with a wider/deeper perspective, so be it.

Sad but the truth we are in a Commercial Sex Forum.
Sad but the truth we are in the Legal Geylang Scene.
Sad but the truth, the tirak shit that most people getting from here are from the Cat40s
Sad but the truth, these girls are WLs.

If you can say that I am drumming this opinion into the minds of others, I don't know whether I should thank you (for looking "so up" to my comments). I can also say you are drumming your opinion into the minds of others, but I don't believe in doing that. I let the public decide for themselves and those who walked the path before will understand what I am talking.

I never said you guys breached the boundaries. Just that most of the tirak issues here involved WLs but you guys just keep bringing decent thai ladies here and compare and say we are too extreme.

You really want Uncle Sam to come in here and read? :D Then you invite him to this thread and see what he says lor.

hahaha
SC

Dr. Dre

27-05-2005, 07:32 PM

I never said you guys breached the boundaries. Just that most of the tirak issues here involved WLs but you guys just keep bringing decent thai ladies here and compare and say we are too extreme.

yeah why compare decent Thai girls with Thai hos? irrelevant man. peace.

love_sick7

27-05-2005, 08:43 PM

I agree with Hako. I think it really depends on who one chooses to meet and where we meet them. While I dun doubt BM's narration cos I know these gals exist, I would realy have a hard time looking for them in my circle of female thai friends, which incidentally is larger than my circle of male thai friends (cos the gers always intro more of their friends mah).....

)

Hi bro free,

Maybe u can intro us those decent TG.....

Dr. Dre

27-05-2005, 09:03 PM

Hi bro free,

Maybe u can intro us those decent TG.....

that would be cool man. bro free the casanova playa. peace.

TheUnforgiven

28-05-2005, 12:45 AM

Understand the good intention of the thread starter but why he still
chose to work there since he mentioned most thai gals cannot be trusted.
No hard feeling and offend. :)

2 satang worth

I am here in Thailand to work, not to

1.) find a tirak
2.) kio kuay
3.) find a girlfriend
4.) have a good time

As for the reasons why I'm here, I don't think I would like to share them with you. No hard feeling and offend

2 rupiah worth,
TheUnforgiven

TheUnforgiven

28-05-2005, 12:51 AM

While this forum may have orginally been setup to discuss commercial sex, like many forums on all subjects, I feel it has grown bigger and has a wider if not deeper perspective.
......
For for now, if Uncle sam lets it be and allows SBF to mature with a wider/deeper perspective, so be it.

I have to disagree with you. This forum is primarily a sex forum and should be kept that way. Irrelevant topics like "name your tirak", "does my tirak really love me" are all nonsensical juvenile threads which hinder the finding of good information.

Sam doesn't give a shit what we discuss here as long as his porno site makes money. Did you know sammyboy.com has changed hands a couple of times? The old sam wouldn't have allowed so many irrelevant threads in the forum. Think about it.

TheUnforgiven

free

28-05-2005, 02:35 AM

I have to disagree with you. This forum is primarily a sex forum and should be kept that way. Irrelevant topics like "name your tirak", "does my tirak really love me" are all nonsensical juvenile threads which hinder the finding of good information.

Sam doesn't give a shit what we discuss here as long as his porno site makes money. Did you know sammyboy.com has changed hands a couple of times? The old sam wouldn't have allowed so many irrelevant threads in the forum. Think about it.

TheUnforgiven
Fair enough. U started this thread. I will give the respect both u and the thread deserve. No worries. After all, u were one of those who had been fair to me and offereed appropriate advice when I 1st started on my journey. I have never denied that what u posted exist anyway, cos they do. Only wanted to point out there are 2 sides to the coin. But for this thread, we can stick to one side of it. Take care, and thank you again for yr unbiased help in the past.

free

28-05-2005, 02:55 AM

Multiple sponsors and bfs, what does this tell you about her character?
You said multiple rounds of advise. And you even said you gave up on her

Sorry, if a person I knew is like that once I knew her character, I will not want to get too close to her as a friend, not to mention being pii-nong sao.

SCObviously are repelled by them. I dun have to be. I knew her character cos I made a conscious choice not to be a "tirak" at some point of our friendship and accepted her as a nong instead. I helped as a pi chai, in the regular sense of Pi Chai to a normal TG, not in the sense that you interprete "Pi Chai". Never been her "tirak" so I never got burnt, even though she is really sweet and sexy. I helped at arm's length. She was ok for a while but eventually her old spending habits got the better of her. I don't have any need to condemn her, as she genuinely has a chance to turn over a new leaf when she met my friend. Well, some gals rise to the occasion and soared into the sky, others chose to swim back into the pond. This one chose latter - too bad for her.

However, I don't see a need to brand other WL/FL/regular TG to be like her. Everyone has a chance in my eyes - up to the individual. In fact I just met an ex-FL a few hrs ago when she came here to visit her tirak (already several times) and they had been together for almost 2 years. Almost hubby & wife now. If anything she is an example of one who chose to soar into the air

siamcutey

28-05-2005, 03:10 AM

Obviously are repelled by them. I dun have to be. I knew her character cos I made a conscious choice not to be a "tirak" at some point of our friendship and accepted her as a nong instead. I helped as a pi chai, in the regular sense of Pi Chai to a normal TG, not in the sense that you interprete "Pi Chai". Never been her "tirak" so I never got burnt, even though she is really sweet and sexy. I helped at arm's length. She was ok for a while but eventually her old spending habits got the better of her. I don't have any need to condemn her, as she genuinely has a chance to turn over a new leaf when she met my friend. Well, some gals rise to the occasion and soared into the sky, others chose to swim back into the pond. This one chose latter - too bad for her.

You see, you think too much into what I say.
The pii chai I referring you is like brother and sister relationship. SO which pii chai do you think I am referring to. :cool:

And 1 more thing, the pii chai(gigolo) will not help a girl. He himself need so much help, that is why he is nicked pii chai

SC

free

28-05-2005, 04:37 AM

You see, you think too much into what I say.
The pii chai I referring you is like brother and sister relationship. SO which pii chai do you think I am referring to. :cool:

And 1 more thing, the pii chai(gigolo) will not help a girl. He himself need so much help, that is why he is nicked pii chai

SC
Well, if you recalled yr past analogy the Pii Chai (or Pii) is the "guilty" lady's sponsor while the "pu chai" was the lover. Well I didn't want to be that kind of "Pii Chai", but being a Pu Chai for a short while was quite an experience, where I overheard those conversations between the ger and her Pii (while we were ... well best left unsaid), as u had described in yr stories. Decided I had better options after that, and chose to assume the role of regular Pii, not the Sponsor Pii. That 1st hand experience, I will never forget. Maybe she was trying to get this pu chai to end up as her Pii, I dun know but it didn't work on me.

suteerak1099

28-05-2005, 09:05 AM

...The thai songs have lyrics describing affairs, mistresses, 1 man with 2 girls, 1 girl with many men, lies, deceit.....

Roo Hen Ben Jai by Hyper
Yak GeB Ter Wai Tung Song Khon by Tata Young
Om Pra Mah Poot Kor Mai Cher by Bird
and many many more

By the way, I am not the one who writes these songs. Its written by the thais.

How? Will you be able to accept The WL if she con another man of his heart and money so that she have enough to spend with you and no need to take a single cent from you? Like that will you consider her as puying dee?...SC
time n again u're looking at them from a farang's perspective, u havent put urself in their shoes to comprehend/understand their plight. i dare say that no gal enjoys spreading her legs for strangers nor men she hardly have feelings for n gotta pretend to have KC etc.

some WLs come from circumstances/stituations beyond our imagination, cos we singaporeans r considered born w golden spoon if transposed to thai context. we're too pampered n comfortable w wat he have b4 our eyes, so much so that we've failed to experience the hardship of lifelong toiling soil for peanuts only.

many choose to sacrifice 2 yrs of their lives to go through this stint n w watever savings n nett profits, help to provide for family, education for siblings, domestic necessitites, so as to provide better life n prospects in hope that none may have to take the same unfortunate route as herself in the near future.

she may no longer be a virgin, bt sacrifice & conditional love on the WL's part is something nt any SG not normal puying can demonstrate. in fact, virtues i percieve admirable & have earned my utter deepest respect, empathy & love.

if u're too shallow to see the bigger picture.. its ok...yok tod ha kun ja.

Hakoshu

28-05-2005, 09:27 AM

I will have to agree with u.....
SC gotta consider some other hidden factors too...
There is alot of factors tat made them work this way, not only of materialism..

Hope no offence to bros. :D

some WLs come from circumstances/stituations beyond our imagination, cos we singaporeans r considered born w golden spoon if transposed to thai context. we're too pampered n comfortable w wat he have b4 our eyes, so much so that we've failed to experience the hardship of lifelong toiling soil for peanuts only.

if u're too shallow to see the bigger picture.. its ok...yok tod ha kun ja.

Garage1

28-05-2005, 04:14 PM

I think we had enough of the various tirak threads and discussions..until yr gal and u go back together wit u then maybe u guys can start talking.. all this talking now will go on n on and repeated..

suteerak1099

28-05-2005, 04:17 PM

the only people who feel offended are fantasy story writers and long winded old men like free and suteerak1099. :p
haha.. SM, i seriously think u should wake up from ur wetdreams n face reality that u're a LOSER, nt only in capital L bt in full uppercase.

i must say that the debates ongoing r nothing personal, as they're all valid n constructive infomations for suckers like u. who only know how to pass some irritating comments that's totally invalid, waste of other's time, waste of server space etc. i dare not even think that u're a singaporean.. utter disgrace to our society.

by the way.. pls dont be a miserable attention seeker la. u need attention.. i think the OKTs in GL will nt let u pass them by so easily. they'd even offer u alot of TLC.. usher u to view their tank, if low budget can let u bonk their dogs etc. at least can quench ur misery temporarily.

poolhot.

28-05-2005, 05:39 PM

im an old friend where u had been posted to before

So are U the guy he +++ing abt???????? since U from there too

Haha
PH

poolhot.

28-05-2005, 05:45 PM

LengKia

28-05-2005, 06:26 PM

Well, when I meet someone like that, I accept her instead of making a judgement. Looks like you do. For me, no one is guilty until showned to be so.

We can still build a good friendship w/o sex and if she wants to change for the better, I lend a helping hand. If she persists in her "not too nice" waysm then I leave things be and if things ever reach a hopeless stage, I will disassociate myself. But only after I know I have done what I can.

Many seemingly "bad" people only need someone to show them love (as in love for her/him as an individual) and give them a chance. Some of the well-known ppl in SG today were ex-convicts. Who knows? Maybe one day it will be my turn to fall, and those I have helped will the the ones who lift me up

good..right mindset and attitude by giving every human being
a opportunities to turn over a new leaf. :)

poolhot.

28-05-2005, 06:44 PM

he is a khon thai wannabe poser. dun be taken in by his rubbish. :eek:

SM - Knock Knock.. care to ask SM2 back while U go on a holiday?

Thanks
PH

TheUnforgiven

28-05-2005, 07:43 PM

Fair enough. U started this thread. I will give the respect both u and the thread deserve. No worries. After all, u were one of those who had been fair to me and offereed appropriate advice when I 1st started on my journey. I have never denied that what u posted exist anyway, cos they do. Only wanted to point out there are 2 sides to the coin. But for this thread, we can stick to one side of it. Take care, and thank you again for yr unbiased help in the past.

There ARE two sides of the coin. However, my thread is to give a strong warning to those harbouring thoughts about asking the girl he fucked at Geylang an hour ago to be his girlfriend. Would you consider this: Is it a really good situation if a 17 year old cheongster who just broke up with girlfriend thinking about finding a replacement in Geylang? Should I also mention the strong influence in the several tirak threads? Sounds silly, but it happens.

When you unexpectedly fall in love with a WL, so be it. If you love her, pursue it. I just don't want to see silly kindergarten infatuations turn into a relationship with shitloads of problems.

I have always been fair to you, free. However I have to disagree with you this time.

Always unbiased,
TheUnforgiven

LengKia

29-05-2005, 12:45 AM

I am here in Thailand to work, not to

1.) find a tirak
2.) kio kuay
3.) find a girlfriend
4.) have a good time

As for the reasons why I'm here, I don't think I would like to share them with you. No hard feeling and offend

2 rupiah worth,
TheUnforgiven

It is good to know the threadstarter does not indulge in those
4 points mentioned above. Thai newbie(i'm included) please
heed those advice if one intend to work in thailand.
This will defintely free one from getting all those tirak cow story and shit.

2 peso worth

OceanEleven

29-05-2005, 05:36 AM

he is a khon thai wannabe poser. dun be taken in by his rubbish. :eek:
Ya rubbish is what Free is posting, Ya he is a khon thai wannabe poser. But then I see some poor adolescence who tail him all round and having the same avatar and signature? So that makes him a free wannabe poser, or some lost souls with a bad child hood who finally find his idol and hence like a dog wagging his tail, sticking his tongue waiting to pick up the crumbs he drop? :eek:

Malaysian Datuk

29-05-2005, 10:04 AM

Ya rubbish is what Free is posting, Ya he is a khon thai wannabe poser. But then I see some poor adolescence who tail him all round and having the same avatar and signature? So that makes him a free wannabe poser, or some lost souls with a bad child hood who finally find his idol and hence like a dog wagging his tail, sticking his tongue waiting to pick up the crumbs he drop? :eek:
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery... :)

chanthira

29-05-2005, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by free
Well, when I meet someone like that, I accept her instead of making a judgement. Looks like you do. For me, no one is guilty until showned to be so.

We can still build a good friendship w/o sex and if she wants to change for the better, I lend a helping hand. If she persists in her "not too nice" waysm then I leave things be and if things ever reach a hopeless stage, I will disassociate myself. But only after I know I have done what I can.

Many seemingly "bad" people only need someone to show them love (as in love for her/him as an individual) and give them a chance. Some of the well-known ppl in SG today were ex-convicts. Who knows? Maybe one day it will be my turn to fall, and those I have helped will the the ones who lift me up

good..right mindset and attitude by giving every human being
a opportunities to turn over a new leaf. :)

If your have the kind heart that is the cause of our problem
We want the true fact but we may need to pay a lot of effort to find out

Ruk jin jin
Jai Kwang Kwang
Mai Dtong sai jai

siamcutey

29-05-2005, 12:46 PM

Not really leh... yr friend unforgiven is talking abt a canteen gal..

So wat the issue here?

PH

This thread started out by Unforgiven on the tirak problems that many people facing in this Cat40 Scene. Actually it isn't a big problem as it seems but its actually big problem if you see it in another way.

The canteen gal he was talking about was from his workplace I supposed. Thus he tells a story we listen. Anyone tells stories, I also listen too. kekeke

But I still want to say this, a decent gal is a decent gal. A WL is a WL. They are 2 diff cat. So unless the decent gal starts opening her leg for the sake of money, then I will deem her as WL too.

*PS: So many replies over the past 1 day. Might take me some time to reply, so wait patiently if anyone is waiting for me to reply......... :D

SC

poolhot.

29-05-2005, 04:03 PM

This thread started out by Unforgiven on the tirak problems that many people facing in this Cat40 Scene. Actually it isn't a big problem as it seems but its actually big problem if you see it in another way.

I still cant understanding the logic why a person wiz a sensible mind would wan to enter into a LOVE relationship wiz a gal who open her legs for money immaterial watever reasons she wish to do so..

Playing mind games relationship to get the best out of it should be the way to cheong though both issues also involve money but why wanna get heartburn when U can get sextisfied.

Maybe wat U guys can do is teach tis guys the tricks & treat of the game which is more challeging

Haiz
PH

Bangkok Master

29-05-2005, 04:14 PM

low rep points 29-05-2005 02:46 PM please go get a life and stop the flaming.

To the person who deduct my pts:

For your info, if you do not know the full story, please kindly go and read and see who is the shit stirrer. I know you have good intention of discouraging flame wars but who's the idiot who force me to do it? By imitating others nicks and start flame war + zapping ppl and leaving others nicks? Do you think it's correct morally or do you condone to this kind of shit?

Points I dun care, you can deduct as much as you like...whether I go get my life is not your concern as I'm currently working and enjoying more than you in BANGKOK so please stay away and I appreciate your good intentions for the deduction.............I will stop when it's time.........Cheers

siamcutey

29-05-2005, 04:54 PM

I still cant understanding the logic why a person wiz a sensible mind would wan to enter into a LOVE relationship wiz a gal who open her legs for money immaterial watever reasons she wish to do so..

Maybe wat U guys can do is teach tis guys the tricks & treat of the game which is more challeging

Haiz
PH

These people were saying to give this gals a chance to change them back. In actual fact, they missed the whole point of it. Its not to give the gals a chance, neither is it to give ownself a chance. One thing I understand here is that Love really makes a person blind. Blinded by all the small nitty gritty things that one does behind another person's back. And these guys can treat it as nothing has happen all because they can find reasons for their girl's actions.

They will say that Love just comes, blah blah all the reasons they can find suddenly becomes so justifiable to them. But what they fail to see is that, there is nothing wrong in falling in love, neither is there any wrong to fall in love with a WL. But its definitely wrong if they knew something is wrong somewhere and yet they choose to find reasons to make themselves feel good. This is definitely wrong.

Last time I always read that people say Sammyboy readers very negative towards this kind of relationship. These people I would say are negative about us. They only want to hear the sweet buttery words which comes out from my mouth. But they forgotten my sweet words only reserved for girls. They cannot handle the truth and always like to think theirs is the odd one out. Cmon, thinking your own tirak is the odd one out is fine. But do not be blinded till the point of time where you think you cannot give up the relationship, just because you have put in a lot of money, time, effort and also to prove us wrong. There ain't anything to prove at all.

From my postings, compared to Free's, we are completely on opposite sides of the fence. Free always love to take out examples from Dancer, Rain, Film, etc and I don't really know who he is with now. But from the past till now, he is the Mr ever-romantic, from the way you see his postings. For me, others will say I start to get negative because i have failed many times in such relationships, etc. People can say what they like about me, but a lot of things I said is the truth, just that some here cannot accept the truth. Those in love will find motivation in Free's postings and know that they will not walk alone. (Sorry to pool's fans for using this phrase) But the truth is this, what happens to Free, doesn't mean will happen to you. Don't blindly plunge in after 3 months or so, because trust don't come so fast, even after 1 year or 2 years. The 1st story which Free written in LDTR, I don't really readin detail, but the start of the story and the ending of the relationship seems to be so different. A girl so good and virtuous suddenly becomes bad when the relationship fails and then become good again after becoming friends. (sorry and I apologize if I am wrong somewhere, but I believe there are readers here who still vaguely remember the story)

The twists and turns of the story can be as dramatic as the CL match between Liverpool Vs AC Milan.

SC

BlueFlix

29-05-2005, 05:06 PM

low rep points 29-05-2005 02:46 PM please go get a life and stop the flaming.

For your info, if you do not know the full story, please kindly go and read and see who is the shit stirrer. I know you have good intention of discouraging flame wars but who's the idiot who force me to do it?

Points I dun care, you can deduct as much as you like... whether I go get my life is not your concern as I'm currently working and enjoying more than you in BANGKOK so please stay away and I appreciate your good intentions for the deduction... I will stop when it's time...
This thread is about "The Tirak Problem". Not the personal disputes between some samsters. If want to flame, fight it out over PM and not contaminate the reading pleasure of other forumers.

It may be your fight, but SB is not the right battleground - it is the common "home" of all members. How to stay away when the "fire" is spreading to infect others' living space?

Personally, I want to read more tales from the "Dark Side" of tirakland in peace and contemplation here.

Let the Clone Wars rage elsewhere... Sigh...

poolhot.

29-05-2005, 05:15 PM

Bangkok Master

29-05-2005, 05:20 PM

This thread is about "The Tirak Problem". Not the personal disputes between some samsters. If want to flame, fight it out over PM and not contaminate the reading pleasure of other forumers.

It may be your fight, but SB is not the right battleground - it is the common "home" of all members. How to stay away when the "fire" is spreading to infect others' living space?

Personally, I want to read more tales from the "Dark Side" of tirakland in peace and contemplation here.

Let the Clone Wars rage elsewhere... Sigh...

hehe...you should relate the message to the SOMEONE who is responsible for all the shit. I did not start the whole shit and don't intend to continue further. You can talk big cos you are not involved. If someone frames you for what you had not done, do you just sit there and let it be?

I shall not continue to contaminate your so called reading space for now. :D

siamcutey

29-05-2005, 07:27 PM

SC - I wanna play mind games wiz tis regular gal of mine

Problem is I a real fucker & before I wanna visit her again i get to fuck her other gals & when I wanna visit her i find that my sperm on low level.

So its definately out to visit her cos i notice she like to inspect the condom everytime she put it out..

Wonder Why
PH

Got her nos for a week & yet to contact or SMS her..

Should I & wat should I write[Dun tell me to write mushy mushy things cos that would be the wrong direction]

I think this question better bring over to POST your TIRAKs here, then I help you with this. kekeke
But remember if you want play mind games, then you cannot touch other gals in the same house liao.

By the way, I know you a are a real fucker................As in really going to fuck :D
SC

TheUnforgiven

29-05-2005, 08:13 PM

Not really leh... yr friend unforgiven is talking abt a canteen gal..

So wat the issue here?
PH

But I still want to say this, a decent gal is a decent gal. A WL is a WL. They are 2 diff cat. So unless the decent gal starts opening her leg for the sake of money, then I will deem her as WL too.

Poolhot, I think SC here has voiced out my sentiments to your question.

Regards,
TheUnforgiven

TheUnforgiven

29-05-2005, 09:03 PM

I have yet another story to share about another one of my friends. I will be using fake names for the story (I noticed my last story had too many "my friend, this girl, that girl, that guy).

John was one of those with a thai girlfriend when I first arrived in Thailand for work. I didn't know where he met his girl cos I never bothered to ask (as usual).

I was having some drinks, chatting and smoking with Jack, one of his close friends one night when the topic turned to John. John was about to end his term here in Thailand and was due to return to Singapore in a week.

A month earlier, John had an engagement ceremony with his girl here in Thailand and was planning to bring her back to Singapore once his tour of duty was complete.

(Pardon the excessive use of Singlish)

"Eh Jack. Where did John meet his girl arh?"

"You know la, Hard Cock Cafe (not real name), that pub in town."

"Hard Cock Cafe??? I thought that place is kuay liao(chicken farm)? Then his girl last time working arh."

"Ya, don't say I tell you one hor."

"Cheebye, then he stay here how long already? Less than one year right? Knn, engage so fast for fuck. Some more last time open her legs for money. Now want to bring back Singapore."

"Aiyah, I tell him so many times already but he dowan listen. He really kena Nasi Kangkang (cursed rice, meaning under a love spell) sia. You know last time, I and Ben was at her friend's house. She, her friend, Ben and me. That time John not around, we sit down drink and talk cock. You know what or not, she say she want to have sex with me."

"Wah really arh? SHe joking issit?"

"No la. She serious, can tell one. I wanted to fuck her, you know why or not. I John's brother mar, like that I fuck her already, she cannot be with him already. Make John wake up his idea and give her up. But I also dun dare to do. Later John think I trying to take his girl from him."

"Cheebye la, this kind of girl he also want to marry?"

"I tell him many times already. Ben also tell him but he say she just joking. He eat too much Nasi Kangkang already. Some more she say she not working at Hard Cock Cafe, she go back there almost every night for fuck? Got a few times I see her walking with some other guy. Dunno she fuck behind him how many times already."

It was then when the topic switched to something else. Jack was probably the closest friend to John here in Thailand, and yet John refused to listen to all advice and warnings. I heard from others that John's girl's infidelity has actually been discovered by him on a few occasions but he forgave her time and time again.

John was not close to me so I did not bother to talk to him least creating a misunderstanding and putting Jack into trouble. John has sinced returned to Singapore and I'm still waiting to watch the show.

Here ends the second lesson.

TheUnforgiven

toothbrush

29-05-2005, 09:09 PM

this john is from SxxYxK too? if he is, he is not the first person :p

hoodlum

30-05-2005, 02:24 AM

I still cant understanding the logic why a person wiz a sensible mind would wan to enter into a LOVE relationship wiz a gal who open her legs for money immaterial watever reasons she wish to do so..

...
Haiz
PH

Kekeke ... why arh? Simple mind like me still trying hard to understand my increasing urge these days while others are trying complex equations of human plights and emotions.

Haiz @ 3
hoodlum

toothbrush

30-05-2005, 03:36 AM

Got her nos for a week & yet to contact or SMS her..

Should I & wat should I write[Dun tell me to write mushy mushy things cos that would be the wrong direction]

pay for a few more lesson and u will slowly learn. No need ppl teach

singrakthai

30-05-2005, 10:14 AM

this john is from SxxYxK too? if he is, he is not the first person :p

hehe i also ex SYC leh! :D Lucky my name not John.. hehehe

singrakthai

30-05-2005, 10:17 AM

John was not close to me so I did not bother to talk to him least creating a misunderstanding and putting Jack into trouble. John has sinced returned to Singapore and I'm still waiting to watch the show.
Here ends the second lesson.
TheUnforgiven

yet another typical story... don't think will have any surprising ending story lah.. hehe.. if he's from SYC, i've heard too many stories already. :)

toothbrush

30-05-2005, 10:23 PM

hehe i also ex SYC leh! :D Lucky my name not John.. hehehe

Dun think john is a real name... could be fictional
however my friend and his gal now his wife are doing very well
She even bring him luck!
Now earning more $$$$ and just move to new hse..

easyeasy

31-05-2005, 01:22 PM

what all these SxxYxK & SYK :confused: anyone care to enlighten me.

wah damn exciting can't wait for bro unforgiven to continue the post

free

01-06-2005, 02:56 AM

There ARE two sides of the coin. However, my thread is to give a strong warning to those harbouring thoughts about asking the girl he fucked at Geylang an hour ago to be his girlfriend. Would you consider this: Is it a really good situation if a 17 year old cheongster who just broke up with girlfriend thinking about finding a replacement in Geylang? Should I also mention the strong influence in the several tirak threads? Sounds silly, but it happens.

When you unexpectedly fall in love with a WL, so be it. If you love her, pursue it. I just don't want to see silly kindergarten infatuations turn into a relationship with shitloads of problems.

I have always been fair to you, free. However I have to disagree with you this time.

Always unbiased,
TheUnforgiven
Bro, I stand behind what u say above. Anyone "harbouring thoughts about asking the girl he f***ed at Geylang an hour ago to be his girlfriend" has to be out of his mind, and most likely destined to be a Sad F***. It takes time to know a person, I wouldn't advise anyone to ask ANY ger tp be his steady gf within such a short time.

It is always better to get to know the ger as a friend for a while before making a decision whether something more is worth it. If one does this for a normal women, why must the process be cut short for a r/s with a WL?

Please ppl, if u have to fall in love, then do it with yr entire being and use all of your senses, and not just use the small head. It is the worse judge of all that u have.

siamcutey

01-06-2005, 03:06 AM

Bro, I stand behind what u say above. Anyone "harbouring thoughts about asking the girl he f***ed at Geylang an hour ago to be his girlfriend" has to be out of his mind, and most likely destined to be a Sad F***. It takes time to know a person, I wouldn't advise anyone to ask ANY ger tp be his steady gf within such a short time.

It is always better to get to know the ger as a friend for a while before making a decision whether something more is worth it. If one does this for a normal women, why must the process be cut short for a r/s with a WL?

But then I feel others will come up with an alternative reason such as, nevermind then I will book a few more couple of hours to know her more. Better to even book her overnight so that I can know more about her......

Don't know what to say liao

SC

kenwee

01-06-2005, 07:40 AM

Hi all,

New to the scene n have something to share. Was really getting into a ger n we were exchanging sms daily...was telling myself that this might be "the one"...only thing was her SMS 'lurve' messages and 'I miss u' type messages were much better than her command of english. So how come? Last visit, I discovered in her room a book written in Thai on "How to SMS love Messages in English" ! What the fuck! Noticed that the book was priced in Baht which means that she bought the book before coming to SG and meeting me.....feel like a real "Chye Tow" now..........Still, have to admire the entreprenaurship of the girl (I am sure its a girl!) who wrote the book. Must be making tons of money with the number of WL wanting to make their tiraks and fahrangs come under their Thai "nasi kangkang"!

craz

01-06-2005, 11:29 PM

...........her SMS 'lurve' messages and 'I miss u' type messages were much better than her command of english. So how come? Last visit, I discovered in her room a book written in Thai on "How to SMS love Messages in English" ! ........

next time look at their hp, i'm sure you can find the huge list of ppl that she sms too. Even better maybe all the sms that you received was forward from other bros.... :D

siamcutey

02-06-2005, 12:50 AM

next time look at their hp, i'm sure you can find the huge list of ppl that she sms too. Even better maybe all the sms that you received was forward from other bros.... :D

Forward sms from other customers is old skill liao. 2 years, 3 years ago already.
Nowadays their skills better. They will buy the sms book from golden mile and sms sweet lovey dovey messages.

SC

easyeasy

02-06-2005, 09:50 AM

vincent51

02-06-2005, 02:09 PM

Bro,

I strongly agreed wtih your proposition despite it's a bit lengthy!

I urge all newbies to take his advice seriously; failing which, it may take you an expensive lesson to learn.

vincent51

02-06-2005, 02:26 PM

Thanks Master, It's good advise.

I should known that she not good at manage money. At the begining, I even give her one of my ATM card, and put a couple K in the account and tell her the pin no. My intention is that, if I happen to be not around at the time she money, she always have some money. But she just keep sending it home for all that "sudden need". I just give up topping the account and let it empty :(

What I can say is good luck to u.

Perhaps juz to share a true story of a cheongster who encountered identical situation as you do.

He married a Tirak and subsequently his Tiarak gave birth a son. This is where all the problems started. His Tirak demands monthly household expenses from this cheongster, sucking his money dried. When this cheongster failed to meet her demand, she threatened to kill her own son!!!

After 1 1/2 yrs, they divorced. His "Tirak" got her PR and now can be located at Orchard Tower!!!!

The moral of the story is, "One should learn to face the reality and willing to cut loss".

siamcutey

02-06-2005, 03:33 PM

He married a Tirak and subsequently his Tiarak gave birth a son. This is where all the problems started. His Tirak demands monthly household expenses from this cheongster, sucking his money dried. When this cheongster failed to meet her demand, she threatened to kill her own son!!!

After 1 1/2 yrs, they divorced. His "Tirak" got her PR and now can be located at Orchard Tower!!!!

The moral of the story is, "One should learn to face the reality and willing to cut loss".

CCB thai woman. Lowest form of respect. Correction. No form of respect even. Putting her as a beast even disgraces the beast.

:mad:

SC

t123

02-06-2005, 03:45 PM

CCB thai woman. Lowest form of respect. Correction. No form of respect even. Putting her as a beast even disgraces the beast.

:mad:

SC
Wah lau I can feel your wrath, if you are the emperor, I think she will kanna electrocuted and charred.

TheUnforgiven

02-06-2005, 06:10 PM

It is always better to get to know the ger as a friend for a while before making a decision whether something more is worth it. If one does this for a normal women, why must the process be cut short for a r/s with a WL?

Simply because of the nature of their work and most importantly the same kind of treatment she gives to most men when they enter her room. What makes a person think that he can be so special when you are just one of the hundreds that have fucked her? Would it make a difference if he gets to know her better?

"Getting to know the girl" as SC said involves meeting her, be it more sessions, overnights or going out for shopping, eating, fucking whatever. The longer you spend time with the girl, the faster your emotional defenses break down. By then, saying you have fell in love with the girl is no longer an excuse. Everyone has a chance to pull back somewhere.

TheUnforgiven

siamcutey

02-06-2005, 06:36 PM

Wah lau I can feel your wrath, if you are the emperor, I think she will kanna electrocuted and charred.
I think anyone here will feel the same if you see a mother trying to threaten with the son's life.

SC

singrakthai

04-06-2005, 02:36 PM

I think anyone here will feel the same if you see a mother trying to threaten with the son's life.
SC

I think this story abit extreme... From what i know most Thai has gentle nature and has close family ties.. but of cos this kinda woman exist. And this kind normally the ones who'll cut ur joo.. hehehe

singrakthai

04-06-2005, 02:46 PM

"Getting to know the girl" as SC said involves meeting her, be it more sessions, overnights or going out for shopping, eating, fucking whatever. The longer you spend time with the girl, the faster your emotional defenses break down. By then, saying you have fell in love with the girl is no longer an excuse. Everyone has a chance to pull back somewhere.
TheUnforgiven

yup, totally agree.. "everyone has a chance to pull back somewhere"... not as if the lady put kong tao on the man.
Normally people who get involved with WL/FL are those "soft-hearted" guys. Few visits to the lady, some chemistry, some emotional involvment, they wanna become "tirak" already even though they know they're getting into deeper troubles.

Real life story for instance, have a friend who get to know a Thai U girl through internet.. after getting involved, visits occasionally, still not enough.. still go visit GL.. then got himself hooked with a Thai WL... last i heard he gave up the Thai U girl for the Thai WL... now egerly trying to find jobs which can out station him here in Thailand.

Right or wrong u judge, but personally, I think he eat full too free and if the WL dumps him one day, i won't pity him.... and probably thinks he deserves it.

cheers

singrakthai

04-06-2005, 03:15 PM

This one abit side track from thread cos its not about "WL/FL" "tirak".

Was chatting with my s'porean friend who married a Thai currently working in Thailand. His wife is decent lady. U grad, father is army general. Good background. So asked him about his "woes" with having Thai wife..

he say," actually ok lah.."
then i asked him, "must give all salary to wife? (this is common in Thailand)".
He say," no need lah.. only 20,000baht every month... " (his wife now housewife.. taking care of their 1 baby son. )
So he was asking me back, "so how ur Thai gf?"
I replied, "i think now i prefer S'pore gf... cos at least s'pore women work.. no need take care of them (at least thats how my ex-s'pore gf is)... if i engaged with Thai girl must take care of her... and then don't know must take care of her family or not.. then house how? Thailand house cheap but I pay alone ah?!" (my friend jus bought a house for around 5million baht has to pay instalment more than 20k baht every month.. then got car instalment also)
he replied "ya lor... common in Thailand.. especially for ppl like us (foreigners) so u must find rich Thai girl lah.. "
So we went for our dinner at a restaurant.... before ordering, his wife called already.. asked him where he is.. he told her he is with me and at restaurant.. she replied," oh, having a good time right?! " then she hanged up the phone.... my friend tried calling back many times but she didn't answer.. so we had our dinner in a hurry and he rushed home... haha

note: being "noi jai" is 1 of the most common characteristics among Thai women.

Morale of the story? hmmm.. alot actually.. if u want a Thai wife.. think about culture differences.. think about language barriers... think about .. alot lah but i don't know how to say cos my english no good... :)

cheers

free

04-06-2005, 03:41 PM

:
so u must find rich Thai girl lah.. "
So we went for our dinner at a restaurant.... before ordering, his wife called already.. asked him where he is.. he told her he is with me and at restaurant.. she replied," oh, having a good time right?! " then she hanged up the phone.... my friend tried calling back many times but she didn't answer.. so we had our dinner in a hurry and he rushed home... haha

note: being "noi jai" is 1 of the most common characteristics among Thai women.

Morale of the story? hmmm.. alot actually.. if u want a Thai wife.. think about culture differences.. think about language barriers... think about .. alot lah but i don't know how to say cos my english no good... :)

cheers
Perhaps you might want to elaborate on what could have caused the wife to act this way with him? Most things happened for a reason.

free

04-06-2005, 03:47 PM

Everyone has a chance to pull back somewhere.

I agree with you. and also there are other ways to get to know a person other than inside her "office", if one thinks hard enough. if one must have that WL for his gf. Whether the WL is interested is probably the deciding factor whether anything can start. Maybe it is almost impossible to happen. Perhaps that's why I made the decision I did - only possible to start after her retirement.

singrakthai

04-06-2005, 03:53 PM

Perhaps you might want to elaborate on what could have caused the wife to act this way with him? Most things happened for a reason.

Sawadee Uncle free! Glad to get ur respond! :) No hard feelings.. sorry for those questions on the other thread... those are uncall for... i apologise. Please accept my sincere apology. I still respect u for ur shak shak phasa thai.

Anyway back to ur question. Like what I say, being "noi jai" is 1 very common characteristic in Thai (men and women seriously). So I think she became noi jai when she knew that her husband is "having fun" after work, while she stays home looking after his precious son.

u know.. jus small little thing... i've alot of these "noi jai" incidents. Why do u think "noi jai" is a very common word to among Thai? :)

No, i'm not a bad influence.. i know the wife and we've come out altogether and chatted before and i think i left a good impression.

cheers

free

04-06-2005, 05:02 PM

Sawadee Uncle free! Glad to get ur respond! :) No hard feelings.. sorry for those questions on the other thread... those are uncall for... i apologise. Please accept my sincere apology. I still respect u for ur shak shak phasa thai.
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u know.. jus small little thing... i've alot of these "noi jai" incidents. Why do u think "noi jai" is a very common word to among Thai?

No, i'm not a bad influence.. i know the wife and we've come out altogether and chatted before and i think i left a good impression.

cheers
Thanks for yr welcome. No hard feelings on my side as well :) . Anyone willing to learn thai seriously I am willing to help, esp for SGreans cos I understand the language problems they faced. U might be surprised that quite a few of those who helped me are Farangs! One of them (his wife is thai and they live in USA) is helping me as I grabble with the tone rules, even now.

Yeah, I fully agree with you regarding "Noi Jai", I faced them too, though I must say I have much less problems with my tirak than the others, especially after we passed the initial stage. She used to have a problem when I visit my Nong Sao's in BKK; now she trust me even when I meet with bros in GL or even take a walk thru. Just takes time and effort to develop the trust. Similarly I am no longer Noi Jai when she goes out with frds. In fact I am a but worried she is staying at home too much, as she slowly lets go of her frds who are still in the line of work - even those who did not not try to get her to join them. This is something I had not expected from her, knowing the need for TGs to meet and chat. Even her hp bills has dropped by almost 50%! This is where I felt we have crossed a major milestone in our r/s, as I see her letting go of most of her "hardcore" working frds with whom I am not comfortable with, for my sake & all on her own. Happy that my patience with her in this area paid off.

I never meant to say you're the bad influence. I was simply asking more about your friend's activities (w/o ur presence) that could have caused his wife to behave as such. One possibility is of course she knows he may have cheonged/met gers and she knew or at least suspected. The other, which is very common even in SG could be that she felt he was not doing his share of taking care of the kids, or spending enough time with the family. This I also went thru, though my case was more that one SG gfal who dun know what "por jai" is. I believe if I spend that same amount of time in the future with my family (or even just 50-75%), my tirak will be more than happy. I also believe in giving her occasional day-offs to catch up with her frds while I play babysitter for that day. I also potter around with housework and be the handy man, although she often refuses my help, sayingt thats her role. But I know she appreciates it. We guys should consider that, whatever her ex-occupation is.

Da Ming

04-06-2005, 10:53 PM

RocketScience

05-06-2005, 12:46 AM

Hakoshu

05-06-2005, 01:11 AM

Yep bro, i supposed u can actually start gathering ur thai class now....... From here, there is alot of learners here... how much will u charge for each??
Fill me with details okie??

Thanks for yr welcome. No hard feelings on my side as well :) . Anyone willing to learn thai seriously I am willing to help, esp for SGreans cos I understand the language problems they faced............................................. ... .

ICEGOD

05-06-2005, 02:02 AM

siamcutey

05-06-2005, 02:25 AM

Yeah, I fully agree with you regarding "Noi Jai", I faced them too, though I must say I have much less problems with my tirak than the others, especially after we passed the initial stage. She used to have a problem when I visit my Nong Sao's in BKK; now she trust me even when I meet with bros in GL or even take a walk thru. Just takes time and effort to develop the trust. Similarly I am no longer Noi Jai when she goes out with frds. In fact I am a but worried she is staying at home too much, as she slowly lets go of her frds who are still in the line of work - even those who did not not try to get her to join them. This is something I had not expected from her, knowing the need for TGs to meet and chat. Even her hp bills has dropped by almost 50%! This is where I felt we have crossed a major milestone in our r/s, as I see her letting go of most of her "hardcore" working frds with whom I am not comfortable with, for my sake & all on her own. Happy that my patience with her in this area paid off.

Free,

No offence meant. I find that with every posting, you always like to coupled with an example of one of your nong saos or tiraks. But the problem is sometimes or most of the times, I really catch no ball and most of the people here I think catch no ball too. Like for instance when talking about noi jai, you can suddenly talk about her hp bill being halved 50%. :confused:

I a bit confused liao. Sometimes better to keep posting shorter as it is simpler to understand and thus able to reply you. Most of the time I don't reply is not because I don't want, but because you wrote too lengthy , that I don't know what to reply also.

SC

thaivisitor

05-06-2005, 04:30 AM

Yeah, I fully agree with you regarding "Noi Jai", I faced them too, though I must say I have much less problems with my tirak than the others, especially after we passed the initial stage. She used to have a problem when I visit my Nong Sao's in BKK; now she trust me even when I meet with bros in GL or even take a walk thru. Just takes time and effort to develop the trust. Similarly I am no longer Noi Jai when she goes out with frds. In fact I am a but worried she is staying at home too much, as she slowly lets go of her frds who are still in the line of work - even those who did not not try to get her to join them. This is something I had not expected from her, knowing the need for TGs to meet and chat. Even her hp bills has dropped by almost 50%! This is where I felt we have crossed a major milestone in our r/s, as I see her letting go of most of her "hardcore" working frds with whom I am not comfortable with, for my sake & all on her own. Happy that my patience with her in this area paid off.
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Forgive you me, but I think my understanding of the Thai language and/or culture must be really below par.

All the while, I thought "noi jai" means small hearted which is the opposite of being big hearted as in the case of bro singrakthai where his friend's wife wasn't happy that her husband was having a good time while she's staying at home. Or my wife feeling a bit upset (noi jai) when I bought my friend's wife a reasonably expensive birthday present. More like jealousy.

But from your examples, it appears that "noi jai" has more to do with being suspicious where trust is involved. :confused:

I must be losing my touch. :(

free

05-06-2005, 04:36 AM

Forgive you me, but I think my understanding of the Thai language and/or culture must be really below par.

All the while, I thought "noi jai" means small hearted which is the opposite of being big hearted as in the case of bro singrakthai where his friend's wife wasn't happy that her husband was having a good time while she's staying at home. Or my wife feeling a bit upset (noi jai) when I bought my friend's wife a reasonably expensive birthday present. More like jealousy.

But from your examples, it appears that "noi jai" has more to do with being suspicious where trust is involved. :confused:

I must be losing my touch. :(
Noi Jai means "easily slighted" - more than just "small hearted". It can arise from many causes, including a lack of trust that the other is having fun at the affected's expense.

free

05-06-2005, 04:40 AM

Free,

No offence meant. I find that with every posting, you always like to coupled with an example of one of your nong saos or tiraks. But the problem is sometimes or most of the times, I really catch no ball and most of the people here I think catch no ball too. Like for instance when talking about noi jai, you can suddenly talk about her hp bill being halved 50%. :confused:

I a bit confused liao. Sometimes better to keep posting shorter as it is simpler to understand and thus able to reply you. Most of the time I don't reply is not because I don't want, but because you wrote too lengthy , that I don't know what to reply also.

SC
I am talking about Noi Jai. Sorry if I did not make it clear. There was a point when I was upset and felt slighted that my tirak seemed to be using her hp indiscrimately while I spend a significant portion of my phone bills calling her. So it seemed unfair to me that she calls her frds unneccesarily while I disciplined myself and I told her so. Just one complain was all it took for her to realise that I had a point.

thaivisitor

05-06-2005, 05:01 AM

Harlow brosm need some advice over here lah. had a tirak once but had some problems and soon found out that she has a KNN sing boyfriend. boyfriend rent house here and she get girls to come and stay to make money.

then i hear that she got arrested and house and girls all sent back. her passport retained by police and investigations still pending. maybe drugs, immigration and alot of other problems involved.

her family now ask for financial help but i can't get in touch with her. i think the KNN stinkapore boy make use of her. family okay, only one brother who is working but she got the usual mother, father and 3 year old daughter.

what do you think I should do. if I can i want the KNN stinkapore boyfriend to be arrested becos i know he the one to ask her to ask thaigers to stay at the house he rented.

some girls nice lah but stinkapore men sometimes have no manners and make use of women who work to take care of family. i hope cops let her free and send this KNNCCB man to prison so that all prisoners can turn him into a gay for life.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You have an ex-tirak who now has a boyfriend which means they are sleeping together, enjoying the pleasures of sex they provide to each other, etc, etc and now there is a problem which you want to get involved.

Your ex-tirak and her boyfriend planned to have additional income by renting rooms to other thai girls with the thai girls doing FLs, etc. I say they plan lah... because in the year 2005, nobody can be force to do anything against their will meaning surely the boyfriend cannot force your ex-tirak to get the girls, etc if she doesn't want to.

Then you "hear" that your ex-tirak got arrested and is being retained for investigation while the other girls, who would have been material witnesses are sent back. And your ex-tirak may also be dealing in other crimes too like drugs, etc.

And your ex-tirak family is asking you for financial assistance for themselves as definitely not to help your ex-tirak as in SG, money cannot buy her out from the crime she commits. And your ex-tirak cannot be contacted which means to say you did not get the news about her arrest from her directly. Which then means you get the news from her family. And the family also didn't get the news directly from her as the police will not let her contact anyone during remand for investigation. Which means the family get the news from her boyfriend as he was not arrested. But the family asked you for financial assistance instead of asking from her boyfriend.

And you "know" that all this happen is because of your ex-tirak boyfriend while your ex-tirak is actually innocent and being forced to do all that.

Hmmmmmm..... you're really such an intelligent person leh... :rolleyes:

RocketScience

05-06-2005, 05:27 AM

siamcutey

05-06-2005, 11:33 AM

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You have an ex-tirak who now has a boyfriend which means they are sleeping together, enjoying the pleasures of sex they provide to each other, etc, etc and now there is a problem which you want to get involved.

Your ex-tirak and her boyfriend planned to have additional income by renting rooms to other thai girls with the thai girls doing FLs, etc. I say they plan lah... because in the year 2005, nobody can be force to do anything against their will meaning surely the boyfriend cannot force your ex-tirak to get the girls, etc if she doesn't want to.

Then you "hear" that your ex-tirak got arrested and is being retained for investigation while the other girls, who would have been material witnesses are sent back. And your ex-tirak may also be dealing in other crimes too like drugs, etc.

And your ex-tirak family is asking you for financial assistance for themselves as definitely not to help your ex-tirak as in SG, money cannot buy her out from the crime she commits. And your ex-tirak cannot be contacted which means to say you did not get the news about her arrest from her directly. Which then means you get the news from her family. And the family also didn't get the news directly from her as the police will not let her contact anyone during remand for investigation. Which means the family get the news from her boyfriend as he was not arrested. But the family asked you for financial assistance instead of asking from her boyfriend.

This is a classic example of the TIRAK PROBLEM.

Deviate title from a while and set things straight. Renting out room to FLs is not illegal unless certain rental laws have been violated(eg, renting out of whole flat while owenr is still in sg)

So if the girl has a boyfriend, and what is the threadstarter's relationship with the girl then?

I rest my case. :p

hahaha
SC

hoodlum

05-06-2005, 12:10 PM

[QUOTE=RocketScience]
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her family now ask for financial help but i can't get in touch with her. i think the KNN stinkapore boy make use of her. family okay, only one brother who is working but she got the usual mother, father and 3 year old daughter.

what do you think I should do. if I can i want the KNN stinkapore boyfriend to be arrested becos i know he the one to ask her to ask thaigers to stay at the house he rented.

...QUOTE]

You got anything against Singapore? What's so stink about Singapore? What's wrong with AV and Immigration doing their jobs to protect Singaporeans in general?

Singaporean
hoodlum

RocketScience

05-06-2005, 02:06 PM

I decided to help out for a while until i know for sure that there is some bullshit. i know there is no law against renting out rooms to FLs so either the whole story is bullshit or there is a bigger problem coming.

money not an issue, so i can help out for a while. also can get good connections for BKK when i buy house there soon.

nothing wrong with singapore but many wrongs with stinkaporeans. understand??? ICA and AV do job is good but not all the time the one to be arrested is caught.

thaivisitor

05-06-2005, 02:31 PM

This is a classic example of the TIRAK PROBLEM.

So if the girl has a boyfriend, and what is the threadstarter's relationship with the girl then?

I rest my case. :p

hahaha
SC
My points exactly.

kekekekeke
thaivisitor

poolhot.

05-06-2005, 02:39 PM

nothing wrong with singapore but many wrongs with stinkaporeans. understand??? ICA and AV do job is good but not all the time the one to be arrested is caught.

errr....... i born in singapore so does that make me a singaporean or a stinkaporean?

Maybe care to tell us wat make a stinkaporean?

poolhot.

05-06-2005, 02:40 PM

My points exactly.

kekekekeke
thaivisitor

New advisor on the block?

lolz
PH

Btw how life? nowadays u come sg, noone let me know or else i sure to say hello to U... wonder why? ;)

poolhot.

05-06-2005, 02:42 PM

I am talking about Noi Jai. Sorry if I did not make it clear. There was a point when I was upset and felt slighted that my tirak seemed to be using her hp indiscrimately while I spend a significant portion of my phone bills calling her. So it seemed unfair to me that she calls her frds unneccesarily while I disciplined myself and I told her so. Just one complain was all it took for her to realise that I had a point.

Wat yr point? that she overused her HP causing U to pay too much or U Noi Jai over her usage?

Cheers
PH

thaivisitor

05-06-2005, 02:49 PM

Actually they ask for money two weeks ago. I think she got busted in the recent AV raids but could be immigration also, not sure. The KNNCCB boyfriend for sure use her to get the girls to come to stinkapore. of course she not force to do it but given the choice it must be hard to turn down what. only slime balls like him want to taek advantage of her and her contacts and not think of the consequnces.
Firstly, you're not sure what the hell happened, whether she was really arrested, etc, etc but you're so sure its not her fault and you're so sure its her BF fault.

Thai girls frequently assist their BFs, tiraks, husbands etc who are or want to be in this biz. When there are good profits, they enjoy their lives well, buy expensive clothings, jewelleries, have even greater sex with each other in exotic places. When they are face into problems, .... their ex-tiraks comes in to bear the burden and put out their frustration into Sammyboy forum.

By the way, GF helping BF is not call taking advantage or being used. Ex-tirak coming into the picture to help IS considered being used. *sign* sadly they almost always never realised that.

she is supposed to be outside, not in remand. passport and handphone taken by arresting officers. all this happened 2 weeks ago. for sure this guy will try to push the blame to her.
Sher's outside.... and she's not the one who contacted you for assistance, instead her family way back in LOS are the ones who contact you .... and you're so sure about so many things.

i share this so that samsters can learn from this lesson and warn their tiraks of cases like this. to me, it seems like the girl go from oven to the fire. now not sure how her case is going to turn out. before i help family i want to make sure that it is a real and not a bullshit case.
Good for you to share lessons to be learnt... but shouldn't you learn from it first?

i agree, there is so many ?s unanswered. a desperate girl and a useless and greedy boyfriend can do wonders together.
The only really intelligent statement from you... yet you still.... *sign*

I decided to help out for a while until i know for sure that there is some bullshit. i know there is no law against renting out rooms to FLs so either the whole story is bullshit or there is a bigger problem coming.
Please read SC's most recent post "So if the girl has a boyfriend, and what is the threadstarter's relationship with the girl then?"

money not an issue, so i can help out for a while. also can get good connections for BKK when i buy house there soon.
By the way, good contacts in property are from property agents or companies.

nothing wrong with singapore but many wrongs with stinkaporeans. understand??? ICA and AV do job is good but not all the time the one to be arrested is caught.
So guess you must not be a singaporean.

*sign*
thaivisitor

hoodlum

05-06-2005, 03:26 PM

...
nothing wrong with singapore but many wrongs with stinkaporeans. understand??? ICA and AV do job is good but not all the time the one to be arrested is caught.

What cock you talking? So by your reasoning, there would be stinkyThais, stingyChinese et al. Tell me which country got no ills and black sheeps?

You sounded like a confused kid with your reasoning and gullability.

hoodlum

LengKia

05-06-2005, 05:04 PM

RocketScience

05-06-2005, 07:51 PM

stinkaporean is singaporean with no manners and a scum to all around him.
sillyporean is singaporean living life here thinking that PAP is a heavenly gift to mankind.
singaporean from singapore is er, singaporean who knows the truth about stinkapore, sillypore, and singapore and make the best of life here.

Which one are you??

RocketScience

05-06-2005, 07:57 PM

RocketScience

05-06-2005, 08:05 PM

Lengkia, thank you for good advice. i already have gf for past few months. not strong relationship for a few reasons but a good girl and very beautiful more than my ex-tirak - yes i have had a few tiraks.

but this one i know is a good girl and been supporting family since young. of course i blame her for getting herself into this problem but i also know that she is very easily convinced to do things. afterall, she has to make money.

with me she stop working but i lost patience with her for keeping in touch with her exFl friends. I actually pack her bags and she came to take them when i was not home. after that i feel that i should be more patient with her but all too late now.

maybe i feel guilty for doing that. but still good to help her family if i can without too much trouble. i will help until i know if she trying to change her life and is away from the scum, KNNCCB boyfrind.

won't take long to find out. again, just here to share with other bros. we all have lessons to learn. but more important than the lesson is that in life we must lead the life we want to lead. it is not about scoring points or even the most points or collecting the most gifts.

what is important is to feel good inside and to know that we do our best in our lifes.

siamcutey

05-06-2005, 08:22 PM

maybe i feel guilty for doing that. but still good to help her family if i can without too much trouble. i will help until i know if she trying to change her life and is away from the scum, KNNCCB boyfrind.

.

She has a knnccb boyfriend and you still want to be her tirak? :confused:

SC

LengKia

05-06-2005, 08:27 PM

Advice: What you experience is what you paid for. Wake up your idea. You think she will fall for you so easily? Nothing is real, you are just another viewer watching a reality actress.

Advice: If you are emotionally vulnurable or if you are an extremely sentimental person, stay off commercial sex.

Advice: Know how to pull out to save yourself money and heartache. Overnight is especially dangerous when you already developed some feelings for the girl.

Tirakly Yours,
TheUnforgiven

Simply the best 3 advices

End of the day , i still have to agree with the threadstarter

hoodlum

05-06-2005, 08:59 PM

harlow hoodlum
i singaporean lah. every country, race have all types of people. because i say have stinkaporeans mean i not singaporean is it. you ok or not??? if i don't like service from FL or WL doesn that mean i don't like sex??????

hope no offense. i just say the truth. don't feel offended unnecessarily. no good for brother and bandwidth.

Which post of mine say you are not Singaporean? I'm ok but not sure about u. There's nothing to be offended or not. Just that so many Singaporeans these days hitting out at fellow Singaporeans in a sweeping way and for no rhyme or reason.

Whether u like service from FL or not is non of my flicking problem. Why I take issue is yr reference to Singaporeans in general. Otherwise I can't be bothered with your post.

hoodlum

hoodlum

05-06-2005, 09:05 PM

Sorry Unforgiven... for the diversion from your thread.

hoodlum

poolhot.

05-06-2005, 09:07 PM

She has a knnccb boyfriend and you still want to be her tirak? :confused:

SC

Cos the BF can KNNCCB her????? I lagi cunt or con fuse????????

hoodlum

05-06-2005, 09:41 PM

...
Recently, I have noticed a rather puzzling and sadly disturbing trend - the gradual increase of posts and discussions on idle chatter about having a Tirak, be it in GL Cat 40, BKK etc. Hell, there are even quite a few threads dedicated to the Tirak issue. Rather than encouraging Thai cheongsters to have a Tirak by discussing the issue like its a norm, I would like to lay out the facts plain and straight - having a Tirak is not a game, it's not fun and you are just putting yourself into a fucked up situation.
...

When I advised my friends (not Thai but MM-related; I dun think there's any major diff in general), the oft rebuttal from them was 'U're not in my shoes so how you know?'. My answer all these years is still the same: 'Why would I want to get involved in the first instance?'

That in essence is the only advise I can give. If you abide by the 'strictly transactional rule for commercial sex', I believe all these issues would be greatly minimised. (Read: I didn't say completely ruled out) There will still be ppl out there who would still want to 'try' it out of curiosity or gullability or whatever.

hoodlum

Hasa Sas

05-06-2005, 10:21 PM

That in essence is the only advise I can give. If you abide by the 'strictly transactional rule for commercial sex', I believe all these issues would be greatly minimised. (Read: I didn't say completely ruled out) There will still be ppl out there who would still want to 'try' it out of curiosity or gullability or whatever.

hoodlum

Sad to say how many of us can stick to the' strictly transactional rule'
Sometimes it is easy to say than done but only the strongest can
survive and withstand this stringest test. No exception for me as i
also tend to get out of track at times...perhaps i have not reached
the stage where bro forgiven has gone through. No joke...not easy
to get over it. Those cheongsters who has been all this shit yet
still can get back on their feet again...kudo to you
Not an easy task...totally a different kind of agony suffered
as compare between a local sg girl and Thai WL.
IMHO..i think one tend to fall into the thai KCT rather easy
as compare cat80/150..risk defintely minimised. :o

anyway thks for your englightment

hoodlum

05-06-2005, 10:52 PM

Sad to say how many of us can stick to the' strictly transactional rule'
Sometimes it is easy to say than done but only the strongest can
survive and withstand this stringest test. No exception for me as i
also tend to get out of track at times...perhaps i have not reached
the stage where bro forgiven has gone through. No joke...not easy
to get over it. ..

Easy to say than done? Bru, I know... or rather I don't know, cos I don't give it a chance. Temptations are plenty, I'm fallible and no different from any cheongster. My past experience is to deny myself before it got out of hand. So far so good for me all these years. Once you let yrself in, well, it will be loads tougher, I think. (can't verify since I don't give myself the chance to experience). It's years on and still holds true, at least for me. In fact, it reinforces itself with every new tirak case I read/heard.

In a nutshell, my approach is to nip the temptation to teerak/KC or whatever you call it before it blossoms. Never said it's easy, but at least easier than when you are deep into it. Unforgiven's approach here is to highlight case studies as a means to discourage/warn brus here from the ills etc. Approaches are different but the objective is nevertheless the same.

hoodlum

hoodlum

05-06-2005, 11:02 PM

...IMHO..i think one tend to fall into the thai KCT rather easy
as compare cat80/150..risk defintely minimised.

Hmmm... is the easy accessibility (Read: relatively cheaper price) a major factor? Maybe, maybe not.

hoodlum

RocketScience

06-06-2005, 12:38 AM

There's nothing to be offended or not. Just that so many Singaporeans these days hitting out at fellow Singaporeans in a sweeping way and for no rhyme or reason.

War liaow, you really PAP handsome man. i tihnk you need to fijnd job to catch all anti sinchiaporeans, off course must include foreigners also. i tihnk you will shine in your job because you so hero for singapore. your mommy and daddy so proud of you. maybe you let them read you postings here lah.

go get a life and stop bothering people who are trying to exchange life;'s experiences in a good and honest way. you jump in and jump into ideas that you are supre singapore heroman. you so stupid you are not even PAP calibre lah. so forget it. maybe join soem other club that can take your heroism to new levels and leave normal people to talk without being afraid of police-hero like you always waiting to jump in to show your heroism without a cause and reason.

you funny but in a stupid way. no offense ok. you really like a funny hero; like spam-man or even chicklets man or maybe rojakman the ultimate hero. rojakman a man for all reasons.

go to malaysia lah, country bigger and can handle your heroism and have more people to save and rescue. crime here buay song mah. right or not? big country hero like you need a big country to take care what. why take your superhero underwear into small country like singapore??? buy crocodile lah, then you also have some wind and feel more relax so that you don't have to reply to every thing you not happy about because you are protecting the country from criminals.

so peace lah bro. malaysia tua liap, same like yours. i think you will like it.

singrakthai

06-06-2005, 12:58 AM

There's nothing to be offended or not. Just that so many Singaporeans these days hitting out at fellow Singaporeans in a sweeping way and for no rhyme or reason.

Dear sir,
I think u very confused leh... u refer s'poreans as stinkaporean, sillyporeans.. so don't that makes u one of ur so call "many S'poreans these days hitting out at fellow Singaporeans in a sweeping way and for no rhyme or reason."?

Pot calling kettle?

I think alot of people here are pissed only because u started using names like stinkaporeans, sillyporean, knn s'poreans, knnccb bfs, etc etc.. no need for name callings... we appreciate u sharing "life stories".. i also 1 of the many people who loves reading "stories".. but name callings are un-call for na...

no offense here too. :)

cheers

singrakthai

06-06-2005, 01:08 AM

Hi Brother,

Don't worry to much lah, But it true...if you don't have $$$...and ...Luck...than too bad lor.
Me Lucky i have $$$ and My Lucky Wife ( Ex-GL ), it true that sometime girl seen to be like that, like to think of that lah...that why whenever were i go i have to make report to her or like super glue glued me like that wanted to follow me whenever i go..!!!..live like King..!!! I don't think so..more like Hell to me....

sawadee ICEGOD. ya lor, to me $$$ is 1 big factor.. no $ no talk leh. :) Alot of ppl think living in Thailand easy cos living expenses so low... well, true and false... for 1, if u're used to "living like a King", then everyday eat restaurant also shiong... hehe... but if u don't mind road side guay tiaow then probably 20 to 30 baht can settle 1 meal already.... cheap but then why the portion always so little?!!! Ends up 1 day must eat 5 meals! So ends up also not cheap leh! haha

I also don't like Thai ladies who stick like super glue.... most of them like this right? Always must report.. if don't report, they "noi jai" again... *sigh*

Talk about Hell... coming soon got this Thai movie about Hell leh.. hehehe

cheers

siamcutey

06-06-2005, 01:14 AM

sawadee ICEGOD. ya lor, to me $$$ is 1 big factor.. no $ no talk leh. :) Alot of ppl think living in Thailand easy cos living expenses so low... well, true and false... for 1, if u're used to "living like a King", then everyday eat restaurant also shiong... hehe... but if u don't mind road side guay tiaow then probably 20 to 30 baht can settle 1 meal already.... cheap but then why the portion always so little?!!! Ends up 1 day must eat 5 meals! So ends up also not cheap leh! haha

I also don't like Thai ladies who stick like super glue.... most of them like this right? Always must report.. if don't report, they "noi jai" again... *sigh*

Talk about Hell... coming soon got this Thai movie about Hell leh.. hehehe

cheers
A lot of people always say thailand cheap this and that. But actually its not cheap too. Because sometimes you also got to consider their family strength. In singapore if you marry a singapore wife, you seldom hear stories where you have to feed your in-laws much on top of feeding your own parents and normally in this case, the wife is working. But in thailand, sometimes though your in-laws might have a lot of children, but you realise that you might have to help take care a lot more people you can feed. So unless the financial burden can be carried, if not better think twice. Or else one person suffer better than all suffer together.

This is the advanced stage of the Tirak Problem. Probably call it the Mia Ja Problem. :p

(Mia Ja means calling your wife in an affection manner)
SC

Bangkok Master

06-06-2005, 01:38 AM

singrakthai

06-06-2005, 01:43 AM

A lot of people always say thailand cheap this and that. But actually its not cheap too. Because sometimes you also got to consider their family strength. In singapore if you marry a singapore wife, you seldom hear stories where you have to feed your in-laws much on top of feeding your own parents and normally in this case, the wife is working. But in thailand, sometimes though your in-laws might have a lot of children, but you realise that you might have to help take care a lot more people you can feed. So unless the financial burden can be carried, if not better think twice. Or else one person suffer better than all suffer together.
SC

kup pom! Alot of people in S'pore don't know about this... thats the message i'm trying to deliver in my post in #130.

In Thailand, it is their culture to support their family memebers in need... so if u marry a Thai wife, ur wife expects u to help if any of her family members or even close relatives needs financial help! Thats why my friend ask me "find a rich Thai wife"....

Think about this.. if u engage with a WL/FL, its worst.. cos 100% of them all in some kinda financial difficulties.. else they don't have to be in this line right?

Furthermore, alot of people don't know the law in Thailand... laws here almost 100% siding Thais... if u marry a Thai wife, u think ho say liao, can buy house, buy land, open shop, do business.... well, sure.. but all these u must register under ur Thai wife's name... suay suay if 1 day u divorce, all these will go to ur wife! Then ho say liao.. u go back s'pore penniless... Correct? TV? At least thats what i heard..... u got any advise to beat this system? :D

Bangkok Master

06-06-2005, 01:50 AM

Furthermore, alot of people don't know the law in Thailand... laws here almost 100% siding Thais... if u marry a Thai wife, u think ho say liao, can buy house, buy land, open shop, do business.... well, sure.. but all these u must register under ur Thai wife's name... suay suay if 1 day u divorce, all these will go to ur wife! Then ho say liao.. u go back s'pore penniless... Correct? TV? At least thats what i heard..... u got any advise to beat this system? :D

You can get a lawyer to draft out the terms before marriage and let her sign on the documents first, it acts like an back up. But if you want to pay for the house or car in instalment like your friend, like that cannot as it's registered under her name. Unless you pay in full then got kangtao. I will sugeest those who want to buy house in LOS, to purchase those eligable for foriegners so to be safe. But foreigners are only allow to buy condos so for landed must use thai name to purchase.

singrakthai

06-06-2005, 01:55 AM

You can get a lawyer to draft out the terms before marriage and let her sign on the documents first, it acts like an back up. But if you want to pay for the house or car in instalment like your friend, like that cannot as it's registered under her name. Unless you pay in full then got kangtao. I will sugeest those who want to buy house in LOS, to purchase those eligable for foriegners so to be safe. But foreigners are only allow to buy condos so for landed must use thai name to purchase.

Seens like u done ur homework! :D *applause* But normally those condos for foreigner super expensive one! *sigh*

Morale of the story is must find a trust worthy Thai lawyer (who can speak good english!)! :D

Bangkok Master

06-06-2005, 02:07 AM

Seens like u done ur homework! :D *applause* But normally those condos for foreigner super expensive one! *sigh*

Morale of the story is must find a trust worthy Thai lawyer (who can speak good english!)! :D

If you need a good lawyer let me know cos I know one who's pro farang. There are also some cheaper projects like in bangna costing cheaper. I saw an advert recently for a condo in ramkamhaeng going for 500k for foreigners.

Anyway unless you want to stay here for long, then consider it as an option or else better bring all your $ back SG better.....

thaiboy

06-06-2005, 08:48 AM

But foreigners are only allow to buy condos so for landed must use thai name to purchase.

Landed can use under Co. to buy for foreginers if i'm not wrong

Hasa Sas

06-06-2005, 08:53 AM

Hmmm... is the easy accessibility (Read: relatively cheaper price) a major factor? Maybe, maybe not.

hoodlum

Well, actually chances to fall for cat80/150 will be more slim because
there is no overnight booking...IMHO, by not going LT will reduce one of
the major risk in KCT. Futhermore , most of them are more professional

hoodlum

06-06-2005, 08:54 AM

siamcutey

06-06-2005, 01:54 PM

This is always the problem when you have a tirak who has a family(bochap big or small everybody counts). It has also inputted into their culture when you're the tang-chart(foreign) bf or husband, you must "bao ka liao". At the end of the day not enough $ better dun play play, stay at home PCC is the best...hehe

So I think I will join you in the dark side better, may the force be with u......... :D

Paiseh, to deviate for a while.

I think you made the decision liao. So you actually felt better than before or you feel bad in your heart? Sometimes I think its more of a practical issue. We must be able to carry what we can carry and not carry something too heavy that in the end we have to drag it. Some people will always think of us as cruel or jai dum. But I feel its better to think of practical issues than think of making the tirak issue become a reality. Only with practical issue being settled, then there is the chance of making the tirak issue becoming an reality.

SC

Hasa Sas

06-06-2005, 03:23 PM

Easy to say than done? Bru, I know... or rather I don't know, cos I don't give it a chance. Temptations are plenty, I'm fallible and no different from any cheongster. My past experience is to deny myself before it got out of hand. So far so good for me all these years. Once you let yrself in, well, it will be loads tougher, I think. (can't verify since I don't give myself the chance to experience). It's years on and still holds true, at least for me. In fact, it reinforces itself with every new tirak case I read/heard.

In a nutshell, my approach is to nip the temptation to teerak/KC or whatever you call it before it blossoms. Never said it's easy, but at least easier than when you are deep into it. Unforgiven's approach here is to highlight case studies as a means to discourage/warn brus here from the ills etc. Approaches are different but the objective is nevertheless the same.

hoodlum

Yes,to be frank perhaps only a handful of cheongsters can
return back unscattered from the battlefield(KCT) even after going
thru so many ops debrief and warnings. I really admire those that
hang on to it and return alive probably suffered some minor injuries
Need strong determination and endurance. Probably i still need some cultivation and practise in this area which
i seem to be lack off at times.

"Ming Zhi San You Hu, Pian Yeow Xiang San Xin" :(

hoodlum

06-06-2005, 03:53 PM

Well, actually chances to fall for cat80/150 will be more slim because
there is no overnight booking...IMHO, by not going LT will reduce one of
the major risk in KCT. Futhermore , most of them are more professional

Like I said, it's $, $ and $. Let's do a hypothetical sum. Let's assume LT is allowed for Cat150. Going by the atypical $120 for Cat40 overnight, that works to about 3 sessions. Expolate that and you get $150@3=$450 for Cat150 LT. And all payments in cash only, cannot even roll over. keke

Not sure about the rest, but I'll be broke even before I get to know her better. :D

hoodlum

hoodlum

06-06-2005, 03:58 PM

Yes,to be frank perhaps only a handful of cheongsters can
return back unscattered from the battlefield(KCT) even after going
thru so many ops debrief and warnings. I...
"Ming Zhi San You Hu, Pian Yeow Xiang San Xin" (

Logically (there will be exceptions of course), these 2 indirect factors helped.

1. marriage
2. age

hoodlum

Hasa Sas

06-06-2005, 04:08 PM

Like I said, it's $, $ and $. Let's do a hypothetical sum. Let's assume LT is allowed for Cat150. Going by the atypical $120 for Cat40 overnight, that works to about 3 sessions. Expolate that and you get $150@3=$450 for Cat150 LT. And all payments in cash only, cannot even roll over. keke

Not sure about the rest, but I'll be broke even before I get to know her better. :D

hoodlum

Well well, there will be a great disaster from my point of view
if the AV somehow allow overnight booking for the cat$150.
More cheongsters will get into the deep shit KCT...how many
more of them will suffer. Let alone the thai tirakship already
created such a big hole and casualties here.
Some people might not share my sentiment :)

TheUnforgiven

06-06-2005, 08:54 PM

Sorry Unforgiven... for the diversion from your thread.

hoodlum

No worries dude. However, I can just advise you to save your breath. Ignorance is always the best way to silence the imbeciles.

Regards,
TheUnforgiven

TheUnforgiven

06-06-2005, 09:10 PM

This is to everyone:

Please keep the flaming down. "Fierce debating" which is non offensive is welcome but pls do not resort to calling each other names. Forumer lao jiaos, just ignore the troublemakers and let them have the last post if that can satisfy their ego. We are here for constructive discussion, not a flame war.

Peace,
TheUnforgiven

TheUnforgiven

06-06-2005, 09:21 PM

Simply the best 3 advices

End of the day , i still have to agree with the threadstarter

Thanks for the support.

TheUnforgiven

thaivisitor

08-06-2005, 01:16 AM

Furthermore, alot of people don't know the law in Thailand... laws here almost 100% siding Thais... if u marry a Thai wife, u think ho say liao, can buy house, buy land, open shop, do business.... well, sure.. but all these u must register under ur Thai wife's name... suay suay if 1 day u divorce, all these will go to ur wife! Then ho say liao.. u go back s'pore penniless... Correct? TV? At least thats what i heard..... u got any advise to beat this system?
When a guy marries a SG lady, does he think of all the consequnces before he marries? I don't think so. So why do that when you want to marry a TG?

If you start to think of all the consequences of a divorce before getting married, I think you are already planning for a divorce. How does it look to the girl if you have to get a lawyer to draft whatever pre-nuptial agreement before tying the knot? KNN, the girl will be thinking that you don't have trust in her. And if that's the case, why marry?

To beat the system? Make sure you marry the correct woman. Cannot be sure? Too bad, that's life. Just live it.

thaivisitor

thaivisitor

08-06-2005, 01:19 AM

Now you drag PAP, mum/dad, Malaysia and cartoon heroes into the picture. Geezzz... you sure are a waste of time.

chilled out
hoodlum
Bro, just ignore such posts lah... As you said, a waste of time. :cool:

thaivisitor

08-06-2005, 01:22 AM

New advisor on the block?

lolz
PH

Btw how life? nowadays u come sg, noone let me know or else i sure to say hello to U... wonder why? ;)
I thought they would have informed you too. Heard you got some new "finds" worth for me to check out. Will PM you directly for my next trip back. :D

free

08-06-2005, 02:07 AM

you can call me any names you like. just like free you are insecure with your relationship. that is why you come on internet everyday and post long winded 'theories'. pay more cat40 sessions and save your 'theories' for your whore.

Haha, what do you know about relationships, O little one?

When I had my 1st BGR, you weren't even born! Think u a pig-year kiddo or thereabouts right? very young lah! Dun come & act smart alec here lah.Want to mok others also must use yr blain mah.

free

08-06-2005, 02:19 AM

Paiseh, to deviate for a while.

I think you made the decision liao. So you actually felt better than before or you feel bad in your heart? Sometimes I think its more of a practical issue. We must be able to carry what we can carry and not carry something too heavy that in the end we have to drag it.
:
But I feel its better to think of practical issues than think of making the tirak issue become a reality. Only with practical issue being settled, then there is the chance of making the tirak issue becoming an reality.

SC
This I agree with you. Guess the question is when carrying the load, are both working hard at it or is it just a one-man show? Its a world of a difference. The first I think at least มีกำล้งใจ (Mii Gamlang Jai), the 2nd I call it ท้อหมดใจ (Tor Mot Jai). IMHO, only in the 1st case is there a chance of making the tirak issue becoming a reality.

Making the Tirak issue a Reality is a practical issue, It must not be a fantasy.

If further translation needed, plse let me know.

singrakthai

08-06-2005, 02:46 AM

When a guy marries a SG lady, does he think of all the consequnces before he marries? I don't think so. So why do that when you want to marry a TG?
Personally I do think of all the consequences for marriage... both Sg and Thailand.. same... probably thats why i'm still single.. hehehe

If you start to think of all the consequences of a divorce before getting married, I think you are already planning for a divorce.

Ok, this one i agree with u... has to change my mindset.

Actually my purpose is to warn those so call "tirak" to think twice about dumping all their life savings on their so call TG "tiraks". Or is this just my personal "woes"? :p

cheers

poolhot.

08-06-2005, 09:12 PM

We are here for constructive discussion, not a flame war.

Peace,
TheUnforgiven

Cool.. & peace to U too...

Take out that hood cos U forgiven for that infamous flame war that U started the last time

Amen :)
PH

poolhot.

08-06-2005, 09:23 PM

Logically (there will be exceptions of course), these 2 indirect factors helped.

1. marriage
2. age

hoodlum

Sound familar.... but on the other hand its fun to play the game wiz the gals too.

Like wat u say - Money talk

haha
PH

hoodlum

08-06-2005, 09:59 PM

Sound familar.... but on the other hand its fun to play the game wiz the gals too.

Like wat u say - Money talk

haha
PH

Of course, of course. :D

Like wine, age + marriage sure to intoxicate the gals. We belong to the 'plug and play'... once done, dettach from the port.

hoodlum

BigHEAD

10-06-2005, 09:13 AM

Actually my purpose is to warn those so call "tirak" to think twice about dumping all their life savings on their so call TG "tiraks". Or is this just my personal "woes"? :p

cheers

I always draw a line between tiraks and $$$.. small +++en or
gift is fine with me. If they want to "tock chai tau", i will act blur and
dump the boat.

Still can't understand why all the WLs are the sole breadwinner of
the family...all same scenerio
father sick, grandfather need operation and money for younger
siblings....what is all this! how many of them are real case
10:100? :)

singrakthai

10-06-2005, 11:02 AM

I always draw a line between tiraks and $$$.. small +++en or
gift is fine with me. If they want to "tock chai tau", i will act blur and
dump the boat.
Good! Obviously from this forum not many people can draw the line like u.. hehe

Still can't understand why all the WLs are the sole breadwinner of
the family...all same scenerio
father sick, grandfather need operation and money for younger
siblings....what is all this! how many of them are real case
10:100?
Not sure about sole breadwinner but 100% do it for the money. Most come from poor farmer families from the countryside, true... i think its not the so much about whether the stories "true or not"... but more of whats her motive for telling u.... hehe

cheers

BigHEAD

10-06-2005, 11:29 AM

Good! Obviously from this forum not many people can draw the line like u.. hehe

Not sure about sole breadwinner but 100% do it for the money. Most come from poor farmer families from the countryside, true... i think its not the so much about whether the stories "true or not"... but more of whats her motive for telling u.... hehe

cheers

no choice..mai mee dtang because low income earner and garment promise to look after us by giving increment. Must siam faster before they start
to dig my pocket further.

haha...their motive is to con more $$$
what do you think then...i really can't think of any besides
this...TG WLs are simply the best asian actresses
maybe i considered myself unfortunate to have know some of them. :D

singrakthai

10-06-2005, 11:53 AM

no choice..mai mee dtang because low income earner and garment promise to look after us by giving increment.

haha...their motive is to con more $$$
what do you think then...i really can't think of any besides
this...maybe i considered myself unfortunate to have know some of them. :D

garment's promises like more good years to come?..... then good luck leh... hehe
I will give some of the Thai WL/FL benefit of doubts because i do believe there are some are "forced" into this line with LITTLE choices.... maybe some tell their "stories" to their regulars just to pour out sorrows.. since many people like to ask bo liao questions like "why u join this line?"... including me.. hehe

Since u know some of them perhaps u can share ur "encounters" here.. I love reading real life stories.. hehe

cheers

Hasa Sas

10-06-2005, 12:14 PM

since many people like to ask bo liao questions like "why u join this line?"... including me.. hehe

cheers

I will try to refrain from asking WLs sensitive questions.

dare not hurt their pride and sorrow

singrakthai

10-06-2005, 12:27 PM

Hasa Sas

10-06-2005, 01:12 PM

ya, man
unless u wanna know them better
which will be the start of all troubles of this "tirak" thing :D

cheers

Mishandling of emotional in the tirakship causes the
downfall of many cheongsters.
Until today, i'm still having difficulties conquer this weakness
of mine. :o

散了吧，认了吧，算了吧，放了吧，
该原谅，该潇洒，别回想，别留下。

siamcutey

10-06-2005, 01:13 PM

I will try to refrain from asking WLs sensitive questions.

dare not hurt their pride and sorrow

If the WLs start asking me sensitive questions about my past love relationships. also hurt my pride and sorrow. Anyway, just joking.

But after a while, the stories more or less the same. Not saying they are lying wiith their stories. But better to one ear in and one ear out when we hear their stories, cos there is nothing we can help or should help even if we can.

I only can say they are very very "fillial".

SC

free

10-06-2005, 03:09 PM

I will try to refrain from asking WLs sensitive questions.
dare not hurt their pride and sorrow
ya, man
unless u wanna know them better
which will be the start of all troubles of this "tirak" thing :D
cheers
It is entirely possible to have compassion on them w/o falling into a "tirak" trap. Maybe I was lucky I managed to siam, but I also think I disallowed myself to fall to a "point of no return" in the 1st place. Someone I found that when I asked out of a genuine concern and they know I am in no way going to take advantage of them, we can become good friends (more nong/pii) w/o fear or threat of the KC trap (either direction), no expectations of financial help. Guess they need to have shoulders to lean on or someone to pour out their heart pains to. Of course I shared my own emotional problems with them too.

free

10-06-2005, 03:15 PM

But after a while, the stories more or less the same. Not saying they are lying wiith their stories. But better to one ear in and one ear out when we hear their stories, cos there is nothing we can help or should help even if we can.

I only can say they are very very "fillial".

SC
My own experience told me that while most of their stories seemed to be the same on the surface, there are fine details which also made them very different. Perhaps u never reach the point where they told you the details? Or maybe u hear but did not listen?

Filial piety has never been a doubt. All the gals I knew said better to be a dog than to be unfilial. Has to do with the way they were taught as they grew up. We know to be a dog is a very low level thing for them. (still why so many keep pet dogs? :eek: )

Just wondering if most Thai guys feel the same way as their female counterparts when it comes to caring for family. Bros who live in LOS (& thus should know many more Thai men than us "trapped" here), care to share what u know?

siamcutey

10-06-2005, 03:40 PM

My own experience told me that while most of their stories seemed to be the same on the surface, there are fine details which also made them very different. Perhaps u never reach the point where they told you the details? Or maybe u hear but did not listen?

You see, if I spend going to Cat40 3 days in a week and 2 times in a day, do you mean I have to forgo the sex and start listening to all their stories? Because by then when they tell the story, either they wasted some of the time or most of the time or during the fucking process, the storytelling might have a detrimental effect on me maintaining my erection. :p

I mean whose story will be, My father is the rich police chief in xxx area, my mum is a franchise chain owner and here I am working in Cat40? Of course sure must be poor then they have to work.

SC

free

10-06-2005, 06:17 PM

You see, if I spend going to Cat40 3 days in a week and 2 times in a day, do you mean I have to forgo the sex and start listening to all their stories? Because by then when they tell the story, either they wasted some of the time or most of the time or during the fucking process, the storytelling might have a detrimental effect on me maintaining my erection. :p

I mean whose story will be, My father is the rich police chief in xxx area, my mum is a franchise chain owner and here I am working in Cat40? Of course sure must be poor then they have to work.

SC
Wrong, dun forgo what u went for. But u telling me u will be bonking all the time? Must pai u as sifu liao
http://209.95.110.196/emoticons/salute.gif
Of course they will be poor. I meant there are distinct variations (at least IMHO) in their stories even the gist of it seems similar on the surface - they are poor and she took upon herself to be the breadwinner in the only way she knows how that can bring the desired amount with an certain timeframe.

RocketScience

10-06-2005, 07:11 PM

How guys can have relationships with GL girls is beyond me. As it is they work all night long and sometimes all day long. is there even time to have a relationship? Just curious lah, not trying to flame anyone.

I've had many freebies from Orchard Tower TGs and Filipinos and also the occasional ONS from other clubs. But I only fell for one and it had to be TG. With all, I've had to draw the line. I even had my door kicked wide open at 4am by a furious TG while I was bonking an ONS at home.

Lots of drama if you wanna play. Can be fun but it's dangerous if you get hooked to one.

I suggest that people stay away from relationships if the TG has many friends here in SG. Chances are that they (a) will have learned how to con you (b) even if they don;t know, they will have ugly looking friends who will encourage them to con you.

Should you have a TG relationship, your biggest enemy is her friends. If she has many friends chances are that a few are not doing well selling themselves and in life in general. SO these useless scums will instigate her to make use of you and to con you. Even if she really loves you or likes you, peer pressure will take its toil and you will be nothing more than a target.

These so-called friends will only be ok if she hooks up with a useless man. I am speaking from experience, and not from mine only. It is a cruls world and there are many cruel people out there. Your worst case scenario is to hook up with a nice girl with friends who landed in SG after labouring in hell their whole life. Some girls just cant help themselves but to destroy others lives.

The moral of the story is this:
if you find a TG or a WL you like, find out who her friends are both here and in her homeland. the more friends they have the more problems you may encounter. the more friends they have the more they enjoy the booze and the partying and forget why they came here in the first place. the more friends they have the more chances are that you will find a devil amongt them and this devil is almost always the loudest around and somehow her voice and opinions get heard - like it or not.

Just my .02 cents

siamcutey

10-06-2005, 08:18 PM

Wrong, dun forgo what u went for. But u telling me u will be bonking all the time? Must pai u as sifu liao
http://209.95.110.196/emoticons/salute.gif
Of course they will be poor. I meant there are distinct variations (at least IMHO) in their stories even the gist of it seems similar on the surface - they are poor and she took upon herself to be the breadwinner in the only way she knows how that can bring the desired amount with an certain timeframe.

You are right to say I am lying. But one thing I want to bring across to others is this. Don't listen to their stories. Why I happen to hear their stories is when these TGs know I understand their language and they tell me. To make them feel better that i am at least listening, I only ask some superficial questions, and they can start the rest of their stories. Bottomline is once you listen to their family issues and problems, it doesn't make us a wee bit better. Sometimes when you hear the story, you think your cock still got feeling to erect 1 more time? It really spoils mood. And 1 thing is I only hear of such stories when I go out with Cat40 or on phone calls with WLs. Cat40, 20 mins $40. I pay $2 per min to hear their story, I might as well go 1900. I rather sit in room, don't fuck, talk cock, also don't want to hear their problem. I am the one paying and I am not paying to hear the "psychiatrist" tell me her problem. :p

You ever hear before a Cat40 girl tell her story that she owe loansharks a lot of money and come to singapore so that she can escape her creditors? Never! They will never say this kind of story to the customer or to their tirak. They will improvise their story a bit to make the story look nicer. And the truth is, there is such kind of TGs who come to work in cat40 because they owe a lot of money to creditors and not because of their families.

But one thing common in their story, it always involve money.

SC

hoodlum

10-06-2005, 09:02 PM

...

The moral of the story is this:
if you find a TG or a WL you like, find out who her friends are both here and in her homeland. the more friends they have the more problems you may encounter. the more friends they have the more they enjoy the booze and the partying and forget why they came here in the first place. the more friends they have the more chances are that you will find a devil amongt them and this devil is almost always the loudest around and somehow her voice and opinions get heard - like it or not.

Just my .02 cents

Excellent point. Peer pressure cannot be underestimated. Not sure about TG FL, but for MM WL, they are very real and a constant pain. I can attest to some personal experiences. I suppose this is ubiquitous problem, not peculiar to just TG.

hoodlum

thaivisitor

11-06-2005, 12:57 AM

Still can't understand why all the WLs are the sole breadwinner of the family...all same scenerio
father sick, grandfather need operation and money for younger
siblings....what is all this! how many of them are real case
10:100? :)
I'm amazed that you have doubts about the stories of the WLs and the percentage you put up as to 10 out of 100 telling the truth.

So if 10% are telling the truth, maybe you can tell us why the 90% have to sacrifice to sell their bodies for a living? Because they enjoy the job?

I think it is quite clear, common and understandable that most WLs are the sole bread winner of the family. What is there to understand? If someone else in the family is the sole bread winner, earning a comfortable income for the family, why the hell would the WL will be here? If the WL have a sister who is the breadwinner, then the sister would be here instead of her, plain and simple.

thaivisitor

Bangkok Master

11-06-2005, 01:56 AM

I'm amazed that you have doubts about the stories of the WLs and the percentage you put up as to 10 out of 100 telling the truth.

So if 10% are telling the truth, maybe you can tell us why the 90% have to sacrifice to sell their bodies for a living? Because they enjoy the job?

I think it is quite clear, common and understandable that most WLs are the sole bread winner of the family. What is there to understand? If someone else in the family is the sole bread winner, earning a comfortable income for the family, why the hell would the WL will be here? If the WL have a sister who is the breadwinner, then the sister would be here instead of her, plain and simple.

thaivisitor

I think he's just being ignorant to the real cases but of course there are the materialistic gang who work for the $ itself. I will say previously there are more forced under circumstances cases but now there are more and more in the want to live luxury life bracket. No matter what I wll say majority would not choose to work in this trade cos traditionally it's shameful to be working as a WL but as we going into the modern world, prostitution is one of the most lucative business around. The chinese saying "Qian Neng Shi De Gui Tui Mo"(Money can make the ghost work) phrase will apply to all the temptation for the prospective WL.

Mr.romance

11-06-2005, 02:16 AM

I think he's just being ignorant to the real cases but of course there are the materialistic gang who work for the $ itself. I will say previously there are more forced under circumstances cases but now there are more and more in the want to live luxury life bracket. No matter what I wll say majority would not choose to work in this trade cos traditionally it's shameful to be working as a WL but as we going into the modern world, prostitution is one of the most lucative business around. The chinese saying "Qian Neng Shi De Gui Tui Mo"(Money can make the ghost work) phrase will apply to all the temptation for the prospective WL.
In Hokkien there is a saying "Kah kui kui tan dua lui"..So is there any saying in Thai?
:p

free

11-06-2005, 04:16 AM

so professor free. have you process your migration to Thailand already? don't be a laughing stock here. http://209.95.110.196/emoticons/110103_heehee_prv.gif
You are such a loser! Nothing to contribute and only create trouble. No medicine to save youv liao. Can't help you anymore - just wait for D-day. What man can take pleasure in copying like that? I really pity you! U no longer upset me, cos I realised u are not even worth getting upset over.

RocketScience

11-06-2005, 06:20 PM

thaivisitor

11-06-2005, 08:01 PM

Just a quick update on my tirak case. Found out that the TG was BSing only. Moral of story is that bros should be extra careful. I am thankful that I found out sooner than later and can make better use of my money and time.
Cheers!
First of all, she did not acknowledge you as her tirak. In fact you already said she has a BF whom you called a "stinkaporean" and that she was your "ex-tirak".

Secondly, you were VERY sure the story they cooked up was not her fault but her BF who was using her, etc, etc.

Bros here, including doubted it, hinted to you why the hell that you being the ex, wants to get involved, etc, etc but you wouldn't listen (*sign* anyway who does?)

Now you want to update us on something which we all along know (that's she's bull-shitting) and want to teach us with a moral of the story? :confused:

Moral of the story is, next time don't be a moron and get yourself involve in other people's tirak problems. :cool:

free

11-06-2005, 08:02 PM

you loser. i thought you already said you won't reply to my posts anymore? haha. the singapore police force will take care of thugs like your gang and you. sammyboyfor has advised me to make a police report. making physical threat is a very serious offence. better run road to thailand quick!

Physical Threats To Me By Singapore Thugs!

See for yourself.
Sorry I can't help you anymore. If whoever Bro Aymy is refering to wants to get you, it is no longer my concern. I did my part to ask him to tell his friend(s) to cool down, unfortunately u dun know when to stop. I suggest maybe u make a police report if u want to continue irritating ppl for ur own safety. Maybe they can advise you what to do, and one of the things I am sure they will tell u is to keep ur big mouth shut. All ze best to you.

U are so shameless. tsk tsk

thaivisitor

11-06-2005, 08:15 PM

Sorry I can't help you anymore.
U are so shameless. tsk tsk
Frankly speaking, I do not find what SM is doing irritating or shameless, or whatever. Matter of fact, it's was quite amusing from a third party point of view where he was able to make many of you frustrated, angry, upset, or whatever.

The point is very simple, he was able to frustrate you all because you all allowed it to happen. By retaliating, you give him the advantage over you.

Now the talk of people gathering to "look" for him is really ridiculous and getting out of hand. Has what he done so bad that it warrants such an action? Has what he done physically harmed you guys?

If any bros cannot talk such online practical jokes, than that particular bro should leave the forum instead if they find it difficult to just ignore him.

I'm not siding with SM or whatever and bros here know that I don't have a "perfect" relationship with SM, but in this case I don't see him doing any real harm.

My 2 cents worth.
thaivisitor

free

11-06-2005, 09:58 PM

Frankly speaking, I do not find what SM is doing irritating or shameless, or whatever. Matter of fact, it's was quite amusing from a third party point of view where he was able to make many of you frustrated, angry, upset, or whatever.
:
Now the talk of people gathering to "look" for him is really ridiculous and getting out of hand. Has what he done so bad that it warrants such an action? Has what he done physically harmed you guys?
:
thaivisitor
Too bad you dun feel that plagiarizing is anything wrong. Sliming/flaming is one thing, but using extreme vulgar language is another. Plagiarizing another's avatar and signature the way he does it not ethical. Where is yr sense of right and wrong? I am surprised taht someone as outspoken as you is actually amused by it. Thought I knew you better but alas, I am disappointed.

As for ppl "looking" for him, with so many wild stories going on around that he cooks up, who knows what is fact or fiction? How much in his "complain" post is real? How much is exaggerated? I have no idea. Perhaps u have. How can u tell it is not yet another story he spun? Anyway, I have said if he feels threatened as such, he should go and see the police. His problem, not mine. I stand neutral in this matter and I cannot control what others want to do to him. I have done my part to ask one party to cool down. But he continues to be provocative, are u telling me it is my fault?

free

11-06-2005, 11:08 PM

you nitwit. i have the physical threat message in my PM box. i can show it anytime. don't put words into people's mouth by assuming. the only fiction stories are your own ones. wake up your idea! i hope the mastermind is not you. the internet thug who issue the threat is aymy. how come now all the thugs no guts to say something here? what a bunch of wimps.

come on, be a man for once in your loser life and admit to the fact. I am now offering you a chance and let the matter rest if you internet thugs make a public apology.
Great. Just tell it to the guys whom you claimed threatened you

thaivisitor

11-06-2005, 11:09 PM

Too bad you dun feel that plagiarizing is anything wrong. Sliming/flaming is one thing, but using extreme vulgar language is another. Plagiarizing another's avatar and signature the way he does it not ethical. Where is yr sense of right and wrong? I am surprised taht someone as outspoken as you is actually amused by it. Thought I knew you better but alas, I am disappointed.
This is cyber and this particular forum belongs to Sammyboy himself. What is ethical or not is not for you or me to say or judge but the boss himself. If the boss feels that it is wrong, he will know how to take the necessary actions. If he leaves it, it means that he doesn't find any harm in it.

The same goes with "extreme vulgar" which the boss has the final say in whether it is extreme or not. If you feel that it is wrong, you could always PM the boss and let him decides.

Let's not talk too much about ethics in this forum as I feel that many have already crossed the boundaries, but as I said, it's not for you or me to judge but the boss himself. What's more harmful or hurtful? Plagiarizing another's avatar and signature, or asking someone to go to a corner and die.

If I have to disappoint people by being truthful, than that's just too bad. I'm not about to change my point of views just to please people whether in or out of this forum.

As for ppl "looking" for him, with so many wild stories going on around that he cooks up, who knows what is fact or fiction? How much in his "complain" post is real? How much is exaggerated? I have no idea. Perhaps u have. How can u tell it is not yet another story he spun? Anyway, I have said if he feels threatened as such, he should go and see the police. His problem, not mine. I stand neutral in this matter and I cannot control what others want to do to him. I have done my part to ask one party to cool down. But he continues to be provocative, are u telling me it is my fault?
Nobody is saying its your fault in anything. I'm just giving my 2 cents worth that "threathening" or whatever because of exchanged postings in this forum is ridiculous.

So what if his stories are exaggerated? You mean to say that there are no other postings with fables and sex stories?

Sammyboy already has in place a add/zap system which everyone can use to approve/disapprove of a postings. Maybe the reason why you all can't zap him into moderation is that there are others who approved of his postings.

My 2 cents worth.

siamcutey

11-06-2005, 11:16 PM

Actually all these threads in geylang folder not destroyed under the hands of the clones or whatever you guys call it. Its because of those who responded to his taunts. You guys have to admit that too. Without you guys "retaliating", you think the SM3, or 4th version or whatever clone can keep replying and talking?

1 nice nice thread, threadstarter also don't want to maintain his own thread but get involved in sliming, flaming. If you guys choose to ignore and not answer his taunts, you think the clones can survive?

I got nothing to say much. Slime and flame what you guys want. Destroy this forum if possible if thats what makes you guys happy. Want to find 1 decent thread to read also have to see you guys slime and flame and threaten each other.
:mad:
SC

thaivisitor

11-06-2005, 11:24 PM

thaivisitor

12-06-2005, 12:02 AM

Frankly speaking, I do not find what SM is doing irritating or shameless, or whatever. Matter of fact, it's was quite amusing from a third party point of view where he was able to make many of you frustrated, angry, upset, or whatever.

By the way, I take back my statements which refers to SM as I have no proof whatsoever that it is him and I apologise to SM if I had in anyway caused him any unnecessary attention, problems, etc. :)

The person who "clones" others could be anyone, reborned or new. :)

Cheers
thaivisitor

poolhot.

12-06-2005, 01:17 AM

I'm not siding with SM or whatever and bros here know that I don't have a "perfect" relationship with SM, but in this case I don't see him doing any real harm.

My 2 cents worth.
thaivisitor

Oh..... glad that u able to see the light at last. :)

Maybe U can advise yr good friend[Since U the one who save him from hell to a thousand pointer] Peterfish & yr neighour bangkokmaster the art of ignoring & when to post relevant issue.

And also maybe U like to comments on their idiotic siggies..

Haha
PH

poolhot.

12-06-2005, 01:24 AM

Sammyboy already has in place a add/zap system which everyone can use to approve/disapprove of a postings. Maybe the reason why you all can't zap him into moderation is that there are others who approved of his postings.

My 2 cents worth.

I wonder who approve his postings...

Haha
PH

Maybe sammykia like to see all tis inhouse fighting to boost his ego..

Possible? :rolleyes:

poolhot.

12-06-2005, 01:26 AM

don't always come in here and act like a big fukk VIP. talk as if you are lee kuan yew!

Maybe I am him...

Call me Uncle. Btw if U think U can get me hot... U wrong.

Haha
PH

Btw... they are angry but i aint cos I love reading yr posts. Muacks

singrakthai

12-06-2005, 02:01 AM

LengKia

12-06-2005, 10:43 AM

WHAT is the problem
Let's set the record straight, commercial sex means you pay money, you get sex. I constantly fail to understand why after a few insignificant repeat visits with a certain WL, they will start asking themselves questions like

"Why does she seem so happy to see me?"
"Why does she say she likes me?"
"Why does she french me like I'm her boyfriend? Does she do that with other customers?"
"Am I the only guy she calls after/before/during work?"
"Why does she let me do her raw?"
etc

Tirakly Yours,
TheUnforgiven

After some personal experiences,perhaps can also include this
as one of the KC trick.

Start calling out your name during FJ....after few visits ;)

cheers

siamcutey

12-06-2005, 01:01 PM

happens to be in s'pore now.. hehehe
Saw on TV this coming Wed night on channel U about an ah pei kanna cheated by WL/FL.. u guys should watch then feedback since its relevant to this thread.. hehehe

remember ok? Channel U.. dono what time.. is it 8.30pm? Won't be in s'pore to watch.... waiting for feedback. :D

cheers
If the tiraks watch, they will feel that the ah pei so stupid. And they will not be so stupid to fall into the footsteps like the ah pei cos their own tirak is different. But they did't realise they might be seeing a mirror image of themselves.

SC

singrakthai

12-06-2005, 01:32 PM

If the tiraks watch, they will feel that the ah pei so stupid. And they will not be so stupid to fall into the footsteps like the ah pei cos their own tirak is different. But they did't realise they might be seeing a mirror image of themselves.

SC

i think u're probably right... they probably think their situation is different which probably is true too (trying to give diplomatic here)... just hope if maybe some of them see any similarity in the story, and they realised they're being conned, they can pull out in time.

oh, i watched the trailer... the ah pei admits he knows he is being conned and he says he gives the money willingly! hehe

btw, i think its 9.30pm... channel U! Stay tunned, bros! hehe

cheers

poolhot.

12-06-2005, 04:03 PM

Tirakly Yours,
TheUnforgiven

Yo.......... tis avatar kinda suit U

http://img299.echo.cx/img299/7567/52abddf73a8mn.gif

thaivisitor

12-06-2005, 10:59 PM

Oh..... glad that u able to see the light at last.

Maybe U can advise yr good friend[Since U the one who save him from hell to a thousand pointer] Peterfish & yr neighour bangkokmaster the art of ignoring & when to post relevant issue.

And also maybe U like to comments on their idiotic siggies..

Haha
PH
Bro, there's no "at last" lah...

I "support" or "attack" anyone based on that particular postings or actions. Of course if they are my friends, my support would naturally be stronger, and my "attack" would be milder (like on bro Free), afterall, I'm only human... kekekekekeke

As for bro Peterfish, I am in no way responsible for his moderation phase, recovery phase, and his surge into a thousand pointer. Hell, I didn't even know why he went into moderation, how he came back, or how he got his thousand pointers.

As for bro Bangkok Master, I've already PM to him last night to removed his siggies. So he should be avoiding getting involved in the "war".

By the way, I'm not that powerful as you think lah... just ask the "General" mah... as he put me up as one of those who are "lan si" and also "fake" etc, etc. :D

DNAT

17-06-2005, 03:02 PM

Show haven't start yet leh ... :o

free

17-06-2005, 03:06 PM

I "support" or "attack" anyone based on that particular postings or actions. Of course if they are my friends, my support would naturally be stronger, and my "attack" would be milder (like on bro Free), afterall, I'm only human... kekekekekeke
It is only when u can treat friends and foes alike in yr comments/responses that u can pass on the next higher level. In the meantime, do enjoy being "human" :D

RocketScience

17-06-2005, 04:20 PM

Today I hear that a SG bf kenna big time con by TG FL. our local friend sign for her studend pass and know that she working here as FL. Sekali the FL kenna grab by AV and now hero SG bf also kenna.

Already hear that another person I know kenna 2 months for lying in immigration documents for a FL. this one I talk about will kenna worst because he have wife and daughter and his FL is like mamasan. he kenna likt OKT. but he not OKT. kekekke

he stupid man that want to be hero for his small brother.

have fun, fall in love if you have to but take care and take care of your family first. this stuopid man really deserve it because my friend say he never take care his wife and daughter. the wife pretty and daughter young. but he make many people like his freind who try to warn him. but he so hero that now he also FL in the prison.

i only think how much heearn in prison for 6 months as FL???

Hasa Sas

17-06-2005, 05:16 PM

[QUOTE=RocketScience]Today I hear that a SG bf kenna big time con by TG FL. our local friend sign for her studend pass and know that she working here as FL. Sekali the FL kenna grab by AV and now hero SG bf also kenna.

QUOTE]

Sad to hear another story involving TG FL and our local men but no party is to be blame .Our life is what we make it by our own thoughts and deeds, thus it is through our own thoughts that a man rises or falls. :(

thaivisitor

19-06-2005, 06:05 PM

Today I hear that a SG bf kenna big time con by TG FL. our local friend sign for her studend pass and know that she working here as FL. Sekali the FL kenna grab by AV and now hero SG bf also kenna.

as FL???
Knowing the TG is working as an FL and still want to be their guarantor is not being conned. He knows the risk, and probably has some benefits although when caught, he will of course say no benefits lah.

DNAT

20-06-2005, 11:15 AM

He knows the risk, and probably has some benefits although when caught, he will of course say no benefits lah.

seems like the costs is way much heavier than the benefits .. in the above - mentioned case scenario. :o

Hasa Sas

21-06-2005, 04:30 PM

suteerak1099 and free,

i am not finished with you long winded losers yet. fuck all of you! and free you lame fuck divorcee. no wonder your wife left you. because you must be too long winded and nag like a old woman. now still want to become Thai wannabe. which corner of the world you go. you are still a loser! pui!

and to all who issue physical threats to me. i am still standing. FUCK YOUR MOTHER and ancestors! PUI!

Stay cool :cool: A piece of friendly advice

"An uncultured person blames others ; a semi-cultured person blames
himself ; a fully-cultured person blames neither" The problem is , what is wrong , not who is wrong.

popiah

21-06-2005, 11:45 PM

suteerak1099 and free,

i am not finished with you long winded losers yet. fuck all of you! and free you lame fuck divorcee. no wonder your wife left you. because you must be too long winded and nag like a old woman. now still want to become Thai wannabe. which corner of the world you go. you are still a loser! pui!

and to all who issue physical threats to me. i am still standing. FUCK YOUR MOTHER and ancestors! PUI!

hi mother fcuker poo,

u dont too yaya...........me king of popiah zapped u one power popiah pt.

signoff
zapping popiah

RocketScience

28-06-2005, 12:19 AM

I say he kenna con becos he don't know she working as FL. he think she change her lifestyle but I hear she seldom go for class and sometime go for FL.

a unrelated story is one I heard from the horses mouth himself that his thai wife spend over 100K of his money using credit cards while he was a way for business. funny thing is that he is still with her. maybe she got super bbbj or something but i actually told the guy to try and change his life and forgot her becos she disappeared recently for almost 1 week.

moral of the story is to be very careful with who you sleep with and who you call your girlfriend. if you don't think you can trust her then chances are that you shouldnt. play safe when dealing with ex wL AND FLs. they need money. thats why they work like this and most of them have problems understanding that their body is something not to be shared with other man so easily.

when they say they have a friend who is a man you can bet that they will have slept with this friend. it is true that they are freinds but it is also true that they are sleeping with each other.

thaivisitor

28-06-2005, 03:37 AM

I say he kenna con becos he don't know she working as FL. he think she change her lifestyle but I hear she seldom go for class and sometime go for FL.
I want to up your pt also difficult.

Your posts contradict one another. Are you sure you didn't just "pluck it from the air" and post? This is your earlier post.
Today I hear that a SG bf kenna big time con by TG FL. our local friend sign for her studend pass and know that she working here as FL. Sekali the FL kenna grab by AV and now hero SG bf also kenna.

a unrelated story is one I heard from the horses mouth himself that his thai wife spend over 100K of his money using credit cards while he was a way for business. funny thing is that he is still with her. maybe she got super bbbj or something but i actually told the guy to try and change his life and forgot her becos she disappeared recently for almost 1 week.
Bro, I think what you say here is right lah... this is a "story" lah... not the real event.

You're talking about 100K baht or the horse gave his Thai wife a platinum card?

Moreover, what's so funny that he is still with his wife? If the credit limit of the card is more than S$100 K, means the guy is rich enough and the amount shouldn't bother him. He has decided to give his wife a card with the credit limit, so what's the problem of her spending? So if you give your wife a card with S$500 spending limit and she spend S$500, you mean you will leave your wife?

I don't know who you are to this horse, but even if you are his best friend, you mean you have the right to advice him to forget his WIFE because she disappeared for a week already?

Didn't it crossed your mind to advise the horse to make a missing person report when his WIFE is missing for more than 24 hours???? What kind of friend are you to this guy?

Play safe when dealing with ex wL AND FLs. they need money. thats why they work like this and most of them have problems understanding that their body is something not to be shared with other man so easily.

when they say they have a friend who is a man you can bet that they will have slept with this friend. it is true that they are freinds but it is also true that they are sleeping with each other.
Would you care to give us some stats on how many ex WLs and FLs you know? for you to say that MOST OF THEM have problems understanding, etc, etc? You want to give advise... I'm wondering what you based your advise on? Facts? Experiences?

Also Do you have any friends who are ex WLs or ex FLs? If you do, must be you are sleeping with them right? Since you are a man, and also their friend, so means it true you are friends with them, and its true that you are sleeping with them.

Since I'm also a man, and although I am friends to ex WL and FL, and I don't sleep with them, that would mean that it is not the girls that cannot be trusted, but actually you are the one that cannot be trusted, right?

moral of the story is to be very careful with who you sleep with and who you call your girlfriend. if you don't think you can trust her then chances are that you shouldnt.
The way I look at it, the moral of the story is to read your post with more than a pinch of salt, and for bros here to be more careful if they want to take your advise. If bros don't think they can believe your posts, chances are, they shouldn't.

lurpsexx

28-06-2005, 01:05 PM

The way I look at it, the moral of the story is to read your post with more than a pinch of salt, and for bros here to be more careful if they want to take your advise. If bros don't think they can believe your posts, chances are, they shouldn't.

Wah Bro! Well said.. Clap Clap Clap!

Like WHat ThaiVisitor said, read everything with a pinch of salt and decide for yourself.. dun be swayed! :cool:

RocketScience

29-06-2005, 05:44 AM

Thaivisitor - Your posts contradict one another.

So now I must be a shakespeare ah??? i got many stories. you want to believe or not that is up to you right??? did I force you to believe my stories???

bro kenna con becos bro tot thaiger change spirit but thaiger change only a bit cos' she hav eto take carfe of family. the story is that bro help thaiger when she working. thairger ask for student pass from beo. bro cheong and than got problem cos she FL and got AV problem.

the 100K problem is REAL. if I want to talk lies i wont do it. if you marry girl for 12 years and girl do money problem like thtat what will you do??? yes he has money buy not that much money. credit card means CREDIT!!!!!!!!! means on loan. she fry him!

he made police report before when sho disappeared after spending the money. police advised him to leave her. they see cases like this before. but he love her so what the FCUK can i do. now she dissapear again but as far as i know there is no credit card problem.

isn't it fair that he leave her and try for something new. what will be your advise if you know all???

in my heart he shoudl leave her. if she love him she will come back and not disappear again. she disappear is not good. you are a man and you should know beter. we can love the woman but we must also know that not all woman are good. bro have to take carfe of bro and i know this man. he has a good job abd he earn a lot of money but that does not mean that he should be cheated of his money. and from his wife somemore.

my stories are true. if it is a lie why would I post it here???????? i have nothing to gain. i only share with other bros here. your points are not important - thank you. i been in problem with tirak and i know of tirak problems. why cannot i share my stories with other bros here?

I say again again these are all true stories and I hope bros can learn from it.

but the best thing is to share your concerns and we can advise you. i also know of succeessful tirak stories but they are difeerent because they are not WL or FL. they are thaiger.

if you really want a thaiger then go to LOS and find one. less problems and more chances of successding. thaigers are very good in many ways but the WL and Fl, you have to be very careful. but shrea your stories and we can try to advisre you. that is all i am saying.

Hasa Sas

29-06-2005, 08:40 AM

thaigers are very good in many ways but the WL and Fl, you have to be very careful.

True...agree but somehow we also have to learn to accept the fact that
thai WLs and FLs always gor 6. Part of their daily skills to keep alive in this
flesh trade. Do pity some of them by giving all their hard earn $$ to their thai tirak.. ;)

thaivisitor

04-07-2005, 05:08 PM

So now I must be a shakespeare ah??? i got many stories. you want to believe or not that is up to you right??? did I force you to believe my stories???

but the best thing is to share your concerns and we can advise you. i also know of succeessful tirak stories but they are difeerent because they are not WL or FL. they are thaiger.

if you really want a thaiger then go to LOS and find one. less problems and more chances of successding. thaigers are very good in many ways but the WL and Fl, you have to be very careful. but shrea your stories and we can try to advisre you. that is all i am saying.
You? Shakespear? kekekekeke Far from it.

But like you said, yours are "stories" lah... just like hanzel and gretal or ali baba and the forty thieves.

You want me to share my concerns so that you can advise me? Wow! I really appreciate your generosity, but no thanks as most of your conclusions and asumptions and left little to be desired leh.

DNAT

04-07-2005, 05:21 PM

ai ya ... what ever stories true or not true also never mind lah ... real funny stories everyday also have ... 1 chicken with 2 heads ... hahahaha

RocketScience

05-07-2005, 02:18 AM

of course you have to be right lah TV. even your response show your attitude. and attitude like yours only good for yourself. i don't see you adding anything of value to this thread recently other than to suan other people even when you are not sure of what is happening on the other side.

common courtesy if you think someone post something inconsistent is at least to ask first before you accuse so easily right? I am new here and so I don't have a reputation for TC and BS. So at least you should have asked and questioned in a polite manner what. if I TC and BS I am sure the truth will come out.

Now some people think I say the truth and some think I BS. What good is that to you and the thread. If you seriusly want to prove I am wrong then you should let me dig my own hole and just lend me your army issued changkul. IOW, you should have asked and let me tell my stories. If a story is BS then for sure the truth that it is BS will come out.

Then you get respect from all bros and not only from yourself to yourself. But now everyone either on one side or the other. From a win-win situation it become a lose-lose situation. I see no benefit in you reacting so negatively in such an abusive manner to my stories. You can cum meh like dat?

When I told my stories i got nothing to gain. I don't understand why you have to be so abusive even if you belief there are inconsistencies. Just ask nicely lah. Wat the problem? Can cum meh like day?